Goblin I'm not defending him at all I'm just posting what I saw and what I saw was a man holding back tears due to his teams performance as well as what I'm sure to be him feeling what's been said about him on the boards as well which is sad to me only posting it after queso said Jackson was putting the blame on everyone else but to the contrary I actually agree with some of queso's points especially about Meeks I'm neither a cyclone fan or a hawk fan therefore I have no dog in this fight
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When you pick programs with long established coaches, coaches with ties to the area, or coaches in talent rich states, then no, none of them will leave for Ames. But to think ISU can't be one of those programs is laughable. Nothing to do with changing times it's all to do with an AD who doesnt' care about it and has a coach in place that has done it zero favors.
Give a fully funded program, rich in tradition, with strong club support who wants a change, to a good coach and ISU is a winner again. I know for an MSU fan the thought of finishing in the top 50 sounds like a great option but it really isn't.
"Why would any of the coaches above want to leave their respective programs to go to ISU? Do you truly think they would do better at ISU than where they are at now?"
I think there are MANY coaches out there beyond the known established coaches that would do a much better job then KJ.. .. ISU has become largely irrelevant in college wrestling prominence. KJ has had his time to get his recruits in place and you don't see much growth. KG was a very bright spot last year, but as a team they are bad to the point of embarrassment.
It used to be a "donnybrook" now it is laughable. Weatherman says yesterday, to the Ames Tribune "We need to keep our heads right and keep focused,” he said. “That’s a good team that just beat us. I don’t think they’re that much better than us, but we need to stay focused. It’s only November."
He doesnt think we are a much better team then us? What kinda kool aid is he drinking.
Its only November-- when KJ was hired he said it was a priority to not only compete with Iowa but to beat us.
I could go on and on. ISU has a proud history of wrestling.If the admin and the fans are satisfied with what the team has done under KJ-- then they deserve the future results.
I think there are MANY coaches out there beyond the known established coaches that would do a much better job then KJ.. .. ISU has become largely irrelevant in college wrestling prominence. KJ has had his time to get his recruits in place and you don't see much growth. KG was a very bright spot last year, but as a team they are bad to the point of embarrassment.
It used to be a "donnybrook" now it is laughable. Weatherman says yesterday, to the Ames Tribune "We need to keep our heads right and keep focused,” he said. “That’s a good team that just beat us. I don’t think they’re that much better than us, but we need to stay focused. It’s only November."
He doesnt think we are a much better team then us? What kinda kool aid is he drinking.
Its only November-- when KJ was hired he said it was a priority to not only compete with Iowa but to beat us.
I could go on and on. ISU has a proud history of wrestling.If the admin and the fans are satisfied with what the team has done under KJ-- then they deserve the future results.
Please post a link to the part where KJ was anywhere close to holding back tears... I won't hold my breath waiting to see it though.
I also missed the part where he took any of the blame for the piss poor performance of his squad... I think you may want to watch it again.
MN.Hawk,
Really? Your rebuttal is to attack my "Fandom" and expectations as an MSU "Fan"? First of all, I am NOT an MSU fan. I am an alum. I graduated from and wrestled for MSU, when we were actually relevant at the National Level. I have a firm grasp of what to expect from a program at it's high and witnessed FIRST HAND how a program with a rich history can fall and get to a point where it is nearly impossible for them to recover. I am not making it personal.
ISU is a program with many similarities to MSU. They both are part of the VERY limited group of NCAA DI Champs. They both are 2nd to a In-State major program. They both now have another solid In-State program to compete with(UNI/CMU). They both need a modern face lift to entice recruits.
Now, I don't see ISU dropping near as far as MSU has, but they have similar ceilings. Short of a monumental hire, 5th-20th is a more level headed expectation. PSU, Iowa, Minnesota, OkState, tOSU and Cornell will ALWAYS have more drawing power. The Athletic Departments are committed to their success in the sport and they are extremely relevent schools nationally. ASU is a new powerhouse in the making. All the other schools I listed in my other post are schools that ISU can be ahead of but they are comparable and this sport is cyclical.
Blast KJ all you want. The problem isn't just him. He is a solid coach. The problem is solid isn't enough for the State of Iowa fans who are used to extreme success. ISU is proof that you need to change with the times before the times pass you by. They will be a solid team, but will not be what they once were for the foreseeable future regardless of Kevin Jackson....................
Really? Your rebuttal is to attack my "Fandom" and expectations as an MSU "Fan"? First of all, I am NOT an MSU fan. I am an alum. I graduated from and wrestled for MSU, when we were actually relevant at the National Level. I have a firm grasp of what to expect from a program at it's high and witnessed FIRST HAND how a program with a rich history can fall and get to a point where it is nearly impossible for them to recover. I am not making it personal.
ISU is a program with many similarities to MSU. They both are part of the VERY limited group of NCAA DI Champs. They both are 2nd to a In-State major program. They both now have another solid In-State program to compete with(UNI/CMU). They both need a modern face lift to entice recruits.
Now, I don't see ISU dropping near as far as MSU has, but they have similar ceilings. Short of a monumental hire, 5th-20th is a more level headed expectation. PSU, Iowa, Minnesota, OkState, tOSU and Cornell will ALWAYS have more drawing power. The Athletic Departments are committed to their success in the sport and they are extremely relevent schools nationally. ASU is a new powerhouse in the making. All the other schools I listed in my other post are schools that ISU can be ahead of but they are comparable and this sport is cyclical.
Blast KJ all you want. The problem isn't just him. He is a solid coach. The problem is solid isn't enough for the State of Iowa fans who are used to extreme success. ISU is proof that you need to change with the times before the times pass you by. They will be a solid team, but will not be what they once were for the foreseeable future regardless of Kevin Jackson....................
They'll get where they want to be a lot faster if Kevin Jackson isn't at the helm. And by they I mean Iowa States fans, their Administration clearly doesn't care anymore.
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Blast KJ all you want. The problem isn't just him. He is a solid coach. The problem is solid isn't enough for the State of Iowa fans who are used to extreme success. ISU is proof that you need to change with the times before the times pass you by. They will be a solid team, but will not be what they once were for the foreseeable future regardless of Kevin Jackson....................[/QUOTE]
The only thing you are correct about here is it's not just on KJ. The AD that extended him instead of firing him is just as culpable.
Blast KJ all you want. The problem isn't just him. He is a solid coach. The problem is solid isn't enough for the State of Iowa fans who are used to extreme success. ISU is proof that you need to change with the times before the times pass you by. They will be a solid team, but will not be what they once were for the foreseeable future regardless of Kevin Jackson....................[/QUOTE]
The only thing you are correct about here is it's not just on KJ. The AD that extended him instead of firing him is just as culpable.
I'll give MY opinions on a few of the previous posts.
1. To MSUguy.. ISU is not a great job TODAY because they waited too long for KJ to produce results. After Omaha, KJ failed to capitalize on the success of Cael's guys. They got high profile guys but didn't develop them. EX. Cozart/Finch/Meeks.
2. I don't know if guys like Buf contribute financially for influence. I've heard there are only a few "big wigs" left. These are the folks who should have pressured Pollard before that ridiculous extension.
3. KJ is NOT a good college coach. He worked with MATURE, post collegiate guys before he came to ISU. Those guys didn't need the teaching that these post high school kids require. His results at ISU don't scream 'Good coach".
4. We've all heard KJ speak in public at different times. He doesn't seem to have good communication skills. That is not a personal slam. Not everyone conveys a message clearly.
5. He "clearly" put the blame on Hall yesterday. That 3rd period scenario should have been anticipated in practice last week in a "what if" case. That again... is coaching.
Jackson isn't going anywhere soon, so ISU fans should be braced for more bad results. There is no way in hell they finish higher than 12-14 this year. There "best kids' yesterday looked horrible. Hall, TW, and specifically Moreno, are the so called leaders.. All three were gassed in the 3rd period. What does that show the underclassmen and redshirts? That team has NO leadership.
1. To MSUguy.. ISU is not a great job TODAY because they waited too long for KJ to produce results. After Omaha, KJ failed to capitalize on the success of Cael's guys. They got high profile guys but didn't develop them. EX. Cozart/Finch/Meeks.
2. I don't know if guys like Buf contribute financially for influence. I've heard there are only a few "big wigs" left. These are the folks who should have pressured Pollard before that ridiculous extension.
3. KJ is NOT a good college coach. He worked with MATURE, post collegiate guys before he came to ISU. Those guys didn't need the teaching that these post high school kids require. His results at ISU don't scream 'Good coach".
4. We've all heard KJ speak in public at different times. He doesn't seem to have good communication skills. That is not a personal slam. Not everyone conveys a message clearly.
5. He "clearly" put the blame on Hall yesterday. That 3rd period scenario should have been anticipated in practice last week in a "what if" case. That again... is coaching.
Jackson isn't going anywhere soon, so ISU fans should be braced for more bad results. There is no way in hell they finish higher than 12-14 this year. There "best kids' yesterday looked horrible. Hall, TW, and specifically Moreno, are the so called leaders.. All three were gassed in the 3rd period. What does that show the underclassmen and redshirts? That team has NO leadership.
Now that's a damn impressive post. What ya got to say about that buf87?
Queso, any black and gold in ya? All in all, awesome work MitchL. And unfortunately, there's always an underlying negative to all of this---
KEVIN JACKSON MUST GO.
Consider this ---you thought the Cyclones LUNGS were bad inside Hilton Coliseum against Iowa. Wait until they they get inside the West Gym (UNI) where there's wall to wall capacity and 95 degree heat. They'll really suffocate in those conditions. I CAN'T WAIT.
Buf and I don't agree on much, but I admire his dedication to ISU. Not too many fans could stay as positive as he does given the condition of the ISU program. I don't see the positives in Cyclone wrestling that he does. He's being subjective while I think I have the ability to be Objective.
Regardless... ISU won't be competitive against Iowa at any point in the near future. Either of the Paulsens would be the sentimental pick to succeed KJ, but I don't think they would have the needed national draw to be successful in Ames. Dake, Burroughs, or Taylor are current guys who COULD have success at ISU somewhere down the road, imo.
Regardless... ISU won't be competitive against Iowa at any point in the near future. Either of the Paulsens would be the sentimental pick to succeed KJ, but I don't think they would have the needed national draw to be successful in Ames. Dake, Burroughs, or Taylor are current guys who COULD have success at ISU somewhere down the road, imo.
Michigan State had a cute period in the late 60s early 70s, Please don't try to compare Michigan State to Iowa State in wrestling again.
I saw he went after a donor on twitter. Stupid to go after someone who's donated to a program that's won 8 games in three years.
