Gonna send this to my no pics wife so she knows what to expect once I'm off work.
Question for Conservatives and Trump Voters
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Does anyone, and is cutting chunks of funding in the tens of millions going even scratch the surface of such an unfathomable number?
I don't think a lot of people can scale numbers after a certain point. A 40 million dollar savings is some like .000001% out of 37 trillion.
For example if a company with a 400k budget saved .000001% of through hard work in accounting they would be saving.....40 cents.
Absolutely! Your attitude is exactly how we got here in the first place! And exactly why it's going to take dramatic action (like we are now seeing) to fix it. Congress has proven completely impotent in this regard.
Bro, are seriously just going to ignore the fact that DJT #45 added more to that $37 T per year than any other President ever AINEC?
$1.7 T each year on average for Donnie with much more to come I suspect, an astounding 20% of the accumulated amount. Biden $1.2 T each year on average, 13% of the overall total.
Where was your outrage and concern from 2017 to 2020?
I remember reading something similar from maybe Niel Degrasse Tyson about how for an average person, we may not stop to pick up anything smaller than a quarter, because we don't view anything below that as worth our effort.
In relative terms to what a quarter is to an average person, it would take something close to $25,000 for someone like Bill Gates to stop and consider picking it up.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...look at this f'n rube. He's trying to sell us on the idea that this is about "minimizing government"!!!
I'm serious...are you REALLY that deluded by your Trump love?
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Bill Gates be like I'm not picking up that pile of cash, you don't know what's been on the ground there.
Lots of "ends justify the means" comments here.
The nuance lost by Team MAGA in this discussion, is most people are most upset about the PROCESS used by Trump/Elon/and their minions, not necessarily the end goal of less government waste. Our country since its inception has safeguards, checks, and balances in place to guard against personal intrusion and/or unconstitutional conduct. Elon and his minions are ignoring those. If they actually acted in accordance with protocol/the Constitution to do this work, a lot less people would be howling.
The ridiculous conduct we've seen the last week (basically storming NOAA is beyond absurd) is a real wasted opportunity to get consensus around trimming government fat.
The nuance lost by Team MAGA in this discussion, is most people are most upset about the PROCESS used by Trump/Elon/and their minions, not necessarily the end goal of less government waste. Our country since its inception has safeguards, checks, and balances in place to guard against personal intrusion and/or unconstitutional conduct. Elon and his minions are ignoring those. If they actually acted in accordance with protocol/the Constitution to do this work, a lot less people would be howling.
The ridiculous conduct we've seen the last week (basically storming NOAA is beyond absurd) is a real wasted opportunity to get consensus around trimming government fat.
I was a lot less concerned at $21T with -0-% interest rates than I am now with $37T @ 5%...but I was STILL quite concerned.
Oh look! The folks behind Project 2025 are "fact checking"!
Really not sure why the left has a problem with commonsense and ending corruption making sure our tax dollars are spent wisely. Trans comic books? Sending money to leftist media (Politico) it is time to burn USAID down. Musk is a hero.
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Oh look! The folks behind Project 2025 are "fact checking"!
So it’s okay to take the source of income away from seniors, as well as their health care? So you’re okay with essentially committing genocide on your own people?
Next I hope Trump turns Musk loose on the IRS and then guts the Department of Education. More money for the states. End the bureaucracy! Minimize the federal government.
The sooner you stop thinking that's their end goal, the sooner you'll stop thinking like this. The end goal is fvcking power. If you think Elon Musk has ANY interest in govt waste when he runs companies pulling billions out of that same govt, you're an idiot. Are you an idiot?
Of all the arguments you could make against DOGE, I think "tens of millions of dollars isn't enough to matter!" is about the worst one, imo.
We are more than willing to give them the power to eliminate waste in government.
I don't think I'm an idiot, but it's entirely possible I've been wrong all these years.
From my perspective, yours is a bit of a simplistic view. They already have a lot of power, the proof of that is occurring right now. But I understand your point (particularly that I might be an idiot, as I think I've heard my wife mention that before).
How does he have read only access yet still own all these companies? He now has access to his competitors information. Isn't that a massive conflict of interest?
Democrats are not opposed to eliminating waste in government. However, they take issue with allowing the wealthiest individual, a foreign national who has profited extensively from U.S. government contracts without divesting his interests, and who maintains a lucrative relationship with China, to have access to taxpayers' money and sensitive national information.
I don't understand the question.
If they did it for the same express purpose as the current administration? My reaction would be the same as it is now...support, but with some concern. I am in favor of the reason for doing it, so I would be generally supportive of Obama or Biden doing it, with the same reservations I have about what's going on currently.
Or, does the question mean they did this, but for some other political reason that I don't support? Like tracking down Christians or confiscating guns? Then I would be hollering holy hell just like the libs are now, because, like the libs are currently, I would be opposed to the purposes.
It really is true that liberals simply cannot or will not understand any theory of mind for conservatives. Is it that impossible to believe that people who have for decades been supportive of reducing government spending and especially waste, actually mean it? Just because they've never gotten in from Republicans either, the idea that this decades long desire is somehow false is really weird. It predates Trump for almost everyone. So there's nothing weird about them saying they would have supported Biden doing the same.
If they did it for the same express purpose as the current administration? My reaction would be the same as it is now...support, but with some concern. I am in favor of the reason for doing it, so I would be generally supportive of Obama or Biden doing it, with the same reservations I have about what's going on currently.
Or, does the question mean they did this, but for some other political reason that I don't support? Like tracking down Christians or confiscating guns? Then I would be hollering holy hell just like the libs are now, because, like the libs are currently, I would be opposed to the purposes.
It really is true that liberals simply cannot or will not understand any theory of mind for conservatives. Is it that impossible to believe that people who have for decades been supportive of reducing government spending and especially waste, actually mean it? Just because they've never gotten in from Republicans either, the idea that this decades long desire is somehow false is really weird. It predates Trump for almost everyone. So there's nothing weird about them saying they would have supported Biden doing the same.
I see,.. So next time your team gets in, you guys can attack government waste your way.
They are not even pretending to look for waste. They are redlining programs they personally disagree with. They are firing anyone who investigated or who might threaten to investigate them. There's nothing simplistic about that...the simplistic view is they really are concerned about govt waste.
You think POTUS had power before? They now have unelected, unsupervised, unaccountable Elon gremlins with root access to the computers at Treasury with the power to zero out any program they object to or any department that might stand in their way. They have a Congress that will bend over and take it up the ass rather than question ANYTHING they do. They have a SCOTUS willing to do God knows what. And while morons stand around cheering their pursuit of "waste", they just continue to consolidate and expand their power and they have a minimum of two more years to do it.
If it was to cut out government waste and fraud, I would have applauded the move. No go eff off.
Hillary would have been stealing money instead of cutting spending and rooting out corruption. She is corruption.
That's where you're wrong, they aren't firing political opponents, they're cleaning up wasteful spending. Our government is 2 trillion dollars over budget every year and has 37 trillion in total debt. After the covid's emergency spending, the government didn't go back to pre-covid budgets, no, they just added more to that huge number again and again. The budget needs to be cut to the bone before our country collapses on itself.
I remember reading, on this very board, lefties saying Republicans cutting spending was just another lie and all the right wanted to do was spend just as much money as possible but on Republican priorities. Well Trump and Elon called your bluff.
Sure. I'm sure you'd be fine with Shou Zi Chew, CEO of TikTok, in charge of that, right?
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