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GMachine7 said:
If you had to pick one, would you say you'd lean more towards you "hope" you're going to win, or you "are" going to win. If it's the latter, what do you base that on? Admittedly, I have not watched much Hawkeye football this year, but it seems that your schedule has been quite soft. Do you base it solely on the fact that we lost to Nebraska and you didn't? If so, I suppose that's a valid reason. But are you concerned at all that MSU has beaten three teams this year that would be favored over Iowa on a neutral field (OSU, UM, Oregon)?
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I "hope" we win, but won't consider it an upset when we win. We have common opponents, and Iowa has the edge in comparison. There's actually no real solid reason, other than those OP listed, to believe MSU is better, and you could argue those are pretty flimsy (OSU hasn't beaten anyone other than UM, MSU should have lost to UM (and beaten Nebby), and Oregon has gotten better, but wasn't good when MSU played them).

Everything says these two teams are nearly equal, and I believe that's how it is.
 
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Michigan State had all the preseason hype, but for all the hype, the only time they have looked impressive was against Ohio State. I would say it was a combination of tOSU playing its worst game and MSU playing its best. Oregon wasn't as good as people thought they were going to be, and a loss to a mediocre Nebraska team and a gift from Michigan. The rest of your wins were by the hair of your chinny chin chin. I know Iowa's bad schedule included two ranked teams, and Pitt who was ranked a couple weeks after they lost to Iowa. It also included that very same Nebby team MSU could not defeat. No one expected Iowa to do anything this year, and they have been the underdog in a lot of there games including Nebraska, so there were not any expectations and they are well accustomed to being disrespected, but they have taken care of business in all 12 games. My question to you is, are you basing your MSU is the superior team on preseason hype, or on field performances, because I haven't seen it on the field? My guess is MSU is a good team, but not the great team they were hyped up to be.
 
GMachine7 said:
Change the subject? There isn't one person from the 49 states other than Iowa that think Ferentz is a better coach that Dantonio. No one. I can also say that the MSU fanbase would never call for MD's head. Ever.

So what I'm wondering is, if Ferentz is a better coach than Mark Dantonio, why did most of you want him gone after 2012?
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You are aware that Dantonio modeled his program at MSU off of what Kirk had done at Iowa, right? You're welcome. You sound like a 19 or 20 year old student who became a fan of MSU and college football 2 years ago when you were finally accepted to a college. A few things you will learn as you grow up:

1) Don't do that
2) Check your facts before you speak
3) Your arrogance is disgusting, and when (if) you graduate from MSU with your liberal arts degree, will get you absolutely nowhere in life.

Good luck this weekend, and go away. You are welcome again for the model that pulled the MSU Football program from the depths of the Big Ten.
 
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Not being a true fan of either team I'd be more worried if I was MSU coming into this game, than Iowa. MSU has a couple of impressive wins which sets the expectations higher. They're the favorite. The loss would hurt them more because they're expected to win. Iowa has overachieved this year. They've mowed down everyone in front of them. They're the underdog. They should be playing loose.
 
GMachine7 said:
Change the subject? There isn't one person from the 49 states other than Iowa that think Ferentz is a better coach that Dantonio. No one. I can also say that the MSU fanbase would never call for MD's head. Ever.

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You need to learn the difference between an "assertion" and an "argument." I have made a convincing argument in favor of Ferentz. You have merely made assertions against him.

One would think that if there was an argument to be made, and if you had the mental acumen to make them, you would be doing that rather than making bold but somewhat fanciful claims.
 
Besides being good offensively, defensively and on special teams, the thing that tells me Iowa is going to win is there camaraderie, cohesiveness and the chip on their shoulder.
 
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GMachine7 said:
Change the subject? There isn't one person from the 49 states other than Iowa that think Ferentz is a better coach that Dantonio. No one. I can also say that the MSU fanbase would never call for MD's head. Ever.

So what I'm wondering is, if Ferentz is a better coach than Mark Dantonio, why did most of you want him gone after 2012?
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You could poll the 22 NFL players from Iowa and the 16 from MSU and see what they think...
 
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GMachine7 said:
Answer my question, then I'll answer yours.
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I don't think most Hawkeye fans wanted KF gone in 2012. I know I didn't. I did think a shake-up of the staff should be considered. The real fans I talked to wanted to win with KF as coach. KFs track record of developing talent is too good. No program produces more NFL players relative to recruiting rankings than Iowa.
 
Iowa will win and it won't be close. The score will look close, but that's because the great one Scamtonio will have his players do things like fall down and act hurt when Iowa has momentum. How you can be proud of your coach speaks largely about your fan base. Our star corner shows up a few minutes late to a team meaning and gets benched for a quarter, your felons post bail on Friday and play on Saturday.

GTFO douche bag.
 
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Actually there are some folks from places other than Iowa that think ferentz is the better coach. Some very informed coaches who vote for Big 10 coty actually. Man you're dumb.
 
GMachine7 said:
You mean the same coaches that voted Dantonio B1G COTY in 2010 and 2013?
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And how does that make him better overall than Ferentz? You're not making an argument to prove he's better, if anything you are saying he's just as good.
 
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You mean the same coaches that voted Dantonio B1G COTY in 2010 and 2013?
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Do you see the team record for Iowa in those years being COTY worthy? Kind of a silly thing to say when you think about it. You do realize Ferentz has 4? With this years being by far his most well deserved.
 
GMachine7 said:
You mean the same coaches that voted Dantonio B1G COTY in 2010 and 2013?
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Yes, and they voted for Ferentz in 2002, 2004, and 2009. This ties Bo Friggin' Schembechler with the most Big Ten COTY awards. And he'll likely be a frontrunner for national COTY this year. Now tell me again how no one outside of Iowa knows who he is.
 
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GMachine7 said:
1. MSU has three Top 16 wins...most in the nation. Iowa has one (blow out, so nice win -- UM also blew them out, and we beat them).
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Iowa has 0 losses, including 0 losses to teams with records under .500. MSU has 1 loss to a team with a record under .500...a crappy team that Iowa beat.
 
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GMachine7 said:
Change the subject? There isn't one person from the 49 states other than Iowa that think Ferentz is a better coach that Dantonio. No one. I can also say that the MSU fanbase would never call for MD's head. Ever.

So what I'm wondering is, if Ferentz is a better coach than Mark Dantonio, why did most of you want him gone after 2012?
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Most of us didn't.
 
GIOP said:
If MSU can't run the ball, Cook can still throw. Not positive that is the case with Iowa.
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Another reason you guys will blow us away in this game. Not only did we give up our best passing quarterback to Michigan but our offense has been statistically skewed towards running the whole season, even more so than in past years. I don't know why we even play this game.
 
GMachine7 said:
There isn't one person from the 49 states other than Iowa that think Ferentz is a better coach that Dantonio. No one.
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A buddy of mine from Iowa lived and worked in Lansing MI for a decade from the mid 90's to mid 00's. He got to work with a lot of people at the school, the locals, and people from other B10 schools through the years there.

He has told me on more than one occasion Spartan fans are the most unreasonable, over-bearing, loud mouth, utterly despicable by comparion college sports fans he's ever come across.

He likened it to a little brother syndrome that would make Iowa State fans blush.
 
bagdropper said:
A buddy of mine from Iowa lived and worked in Lansing MI for a decade from the mid 90's to mid 00's. He got to work with a lot of people at the school, the locals, and people from other B10 schools through the years there.

He has told me on more than one occasion Spartan fans are the most unreasonable, over-bearing, loud mouth, utterly despicable by comparion college sports fans he's ever come across.

He likened it to a little brother syndrome that would make Iowa State fans blush.
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My Mom will always despise MSU because a frickin' security guard at their football stadium was a total douche to her and my Dad when they went there for a game (wearing Hawkeye gear, of course). So, I guess, your friend's assessment of Spartan fans doesn't surprise me one bit.
 
bagdropper said:
He has told me on more than one occasion Spartan fans are the most unreasonable, over-bearing, loud mouth, utterly despicable by comparion college sports fans he's ever come across.
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That's funny...that's how MSU fans feel about Hawkeyes. I sat behind the most ridiculous woman of all time at Kinnick. Her husband turned around and apologized at least five times.

And your football fans pale in comparison to hoops. Every whistle, and I mean EVERY whistle, against Iowa gets booed. And loudly. The lack of basketball knowledge in that arena is incredible.
 
GMachine7 said:
That's funny...that's how MSU fans feel about Hawkeyes. I sat behind the most ridiculous woman of all time at Kinnick. Her husband turned around and apologized at least five times.

And your football fans pale in comparison to hoops. Every whistle, and I mean EVERY whistle, against Iowa gets booed. And loudly. The lack of basketball knowledge in that arena is incredible.
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How appropriate that you bring up MSU basketball on a Football message board! Please go away.
 
GMachine7 said:
That's funny...that's how MSU fans feel about Hawkeyes. I sat behind the most ridiculous woman of all time at Kinnick. Her husband turned around and apologized at least five times.

And your football fans pale in comparison to hoops. Every whistle, and I mean EVERY whistle, against Iowa gets booed. And loudly. The lack of basketball knowledge in that arena is incredible.
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My buddy wasn't talking about in-stadium. He was talking everywhere he went in Michigan.
 
GMachine7 said:
Change the subject? There isn't one person from the 49 states other than Iowa that think Ferentz is a better coach that Dantonio. No one. I can also say that the MSU fanbase would never call for MD's head. Ever.

So what I'm wondering is, if Ferentz is a better coach than Mark Dantonio, why did most of you want him gone after 2012?
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EVER? You got a freaking crystal ball? Only a moron would say that. Just look at the tenure around college football. Things change. I will bet you that MD will have a good down turn if he stays at MSU as long as KF has been at Iowa. Naive. wow.

Now that Michigan is back and Ohio State is going to be Ohio State, MSU is going to have a hell of a time continuing this nice little run they have had. Get used to being 3rd or even 4th in the East pretty regularly.
 
GMachine7 said:
That's funny...that's how MSU fans feel about Hawkeyes. I sat behind the most ridiculous woman of all time at Kinnick. Her husband turned around and apologized at least five times.

And your football fans pale in comparison to hoops. Every whistle, and I mean EVERY whistle, against Iowa gets booed. And loudly. The lack of basketball knowledge in that arena is incredible.
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Michigan State troll talking smack about basketball reminds me of Nebraska trolls talking about their multiple national championships. Irrelevant to this year in football and deflecting from the matter at hand.
 
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