Raw Talent vs Experience

[RocknRollface]

Clearly the Indiana guys driving to the hoop at will were more athletic. Johnson, Williams, Anuoby pretty athletic group. Jok couldn't guard or get free for shot

No, its not clear. Its an assumption on your part, and an incorrect one, other than Jok who isn't very quick. They did not get to the hoop at will, they penetrated the zone, often times using screens, and Iowa over reacted leaving shooters open.

When Iowa played man they kept Indiana in front of them.

The best defensive players aren't usually the best athletes anyway so its not an accurate way to gauge anything.

Fran should have never gone back to the zone, that was a big reason Indian was able to get the first lead and then get the second lead.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

What are you saying, that black people are "raw talent" and white players are the opposite?

You do realize Indianas best player is a senior and anything but raw?

Yogi Ferrell is an exceptionally polished talent and with out him Iowa destroys Indiana.

Again Maryland is not a raw talent team, they're very experienced, Sulimon and Carter are highly skilled seniors and they were primarily responsible for Mayrlands victory.

If you want to compare experience vs raw talent Woodbury completely out played Bryant and Diamond Stone. Those two are raw and it showed, or better yet go reference Wisconsin vs Kentucky last year. It even fits your little black white paradigm.

In reality raw talent almost never beats experienced talent. When two experienced and talented teams meet, the home team almost always has the advantage.

So in summary, quit making idiotic racist posts.

since when does raw talent equate to black? clearly I am missing something...

 

[DanL53]

Jok and Williams are like night and day. Jok has a hard time creating his own shot. He is slow and has no handles, looks like a newborn deer. Williams on the other hand can create his own shot and score at will.

Jok needs to play to his strength and make set jump shots from the wing.

Iowa cannot beat more athletic shooting teams, Xavier, Maryland, and now Indiana.

The black and gold glasses finally coming off for some of us. Iowa is just not that good.

Williams takes a lot of plays off. Classic example of a talented kid with no guts.

 

[rikki-tikka-tava]

Was something edited or am I the only one scratching his head??

Definitely bewildering - can only surmise that "raw talent" is being equated with ethnicity which strikes me as extremely unqualified and bizarre.

 

[RocknRollface]

since when does raw talent equate to black? clearly I am missing something...

Exactly.

So why would one describe Indiana as "raw talent" when Indiana's best most talented and important player is a senior and probably the most experienced player on the court and their second best player is a junior?

"Raw talent" seems to be a reference to something else.

 

[RocknRollface]

Raw means inexperienced and lacking refinement as far as I'm aware.

It makes no sense to describe either Maryland or Indiana in that manner in comparison to Iowa when all three teams rely heavily on upperclassmen.

 

[e720718998]

Yogi won't spend 5 seconds in the NBA

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

I love the way people use over reaching critics. Indiana made shots in the last 6 minutes...and Iowa didn't. Indiana made free throws...Iowa didn't. Indiana's bench outplayed Iowa's. I honestly don't think their athleticism had anything to do with it. Uthoff got great looks down the stretch...they just didn't go. I don't think their athleticism caused us to miss ten free throws either. I'm sure Fran will look at this and say he played zone too long in this game...we went on the second half run in man to man defense...and we went back to zone. We also quick shot way too often again on the road, ala Maryland. When we worked the ball and were patient...we got great looks...even down low. We will beat Indiana when they come to Iowa City.

 

[General Tso]

Argue my opening statement all you want, but I'm truly befuddled by those who introduced race to this thread. You are truly the idiots who keep racism alive in this country. Uthoff has raw talent. Indiana and Maryland have more guys with raw talent. We have a lot of guys who play roles really well. My definition of raw talent is someone who has an innate ability to play this game, both physically and mentally... they are just wired to be all around good basketball players. Uthoff fits this mold. Jok not as much... he can shoot really well, but doesn't have that raw ability that Uhtoff has to be dangerous on multiple fronts. As other threads have stated, Indiana and Maryland have multiple players who will end up in the NBA. We have one guy who might play in the league. Ok, the idiots can carry with stirring racism...

 

[RocknRollface]

Argue my opening statement all you want, but I'm truly befuddled by those who introduced race to this thread. You are truly the idiots who keep racism alive in this country. Uthoff has raw talent. Indiana and Maryland have more guys with raw talent. We have a lot of guys who play roles really well. My definition of raw talent is someone who has an innate ability to play this game, both physically and mentally... they are just wired to be all around good basketball players. Uthoff fits this mold. Jok not as much... he can shoot really well, but doesn't have that raw ability that Uhtoff has to be dangerous on multiple fronts. As other threads have stated, Indiana and Maryland have multiple players who will end up in the NBA. We have one guy who might play in the league. Ok, the idiots can carry with stirring racism...

That's not a definition of "raw" talent that makes any sense.

It also made no sense to contrast raw talent with experience since the three most important players for Indiana are two seniors and a junior.

So basically you just think Indiana is more talented than Iowa. Fine.

Why not just say that if you weren't trying to imply something along the lines of Indiana being more "athletic" ?

Same with Maryland.

 

[General Tso]

What are you saying, that black people are "raw talent" and white players are the opposite?

You do realize Indianas best player is a senior and anything but raw?

Yogi Ferrell is an exceptionally polished talent and with out him Iowa destroys Indiana.

Again Maryland is not a raw talent team, they're very experienced, Sulimon and Carter are highly skilled seniors and they were primarily responsible for Mayrlands victory.

If you want to compare experience vs raw talent Woodbury completely out played Bryant and Diamond Stone. Those two are raw and it showed, or better yet go reference Wisconsin vs Kentucky last year. It even fits your little black white paradigm.

In reality raw talent almost never beats experienced talent. When two experienced and talented teams meet, the home team almost always has the advantage.

So in summary, quit making idiotic racist posts.

You're remind me of Nelson from the Simpsons, only instead of pointing at everyone and saying Ha Ha, you call them racists. Must make you feel high and mighty.

 

[trumpy]

I'm just sitting back enjoying Iowa Basketball. This team seems to have chemistry just like the football team. We r what we r, a solid basketball team. Let's enjoy it.

 

[General Tso]

That's not a definition of "raw" talent that makes any sense.

It also made no sense to contrast raw talent with experience since the three most important players for Indiana are two seniors and a junior.

So basically you just think Indiana is more talented than Iowa. Fine.

Why not just say that if you weren't trying to imply something along the lines of Indiana being more "athletic" ?

Same with Maryland.

Are you getting yourself confused with which conversation you're in? First you think I was implying race, now I'm implying athleticism? What does one have to do with the other? Are you suggesting only African Americans can be athletes? Sounds pretty racist to me.

 

[RocknRollface]

Are you getting yourself confused with which conversation you're in? First you think I was implying race, now I'm implying athleticism? What does one have to do with the other? Are you suggesting only African Americans can be athletes? Sounds pretty racist to me.

Obviously I was implying that that appeared to be what you were implying originally.

Maybe you weren't implying that but
I still don't get the raw talent vs experience angle at all.

What point were you trying to make?

Iowas only winning because of experience?

More talented teams beat less talented teams?

I think this is the only time I've ever called out something as racist in my life and it was probably uncalled for but I'm just particularly annoyed by lazy basketball stereotyping.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Wish I hadn't read this thread. Iowa has plenty of talent and a lot of experience in its starting five. Iowa has almost no experience coming off the bench. Mary Land and IU are also very good teams, who had the advantage of playing Iowa at home. They also have significantly easier conference schedules, especially IU. Let's see how the season finishes, but if Iowa ends up in first or even tied for first, then I would conclude that experience and teamwork are maybe more important than "raw talent", whatever that means. It's a hell of a lot more complicated than just talent versus experience.

 

[General Tso]

Obviously I was implying that that appeared to be what you were implying originally.

Maybe you weren't implying that but
I still don't get the raw talent vs experience angle at all.

What point were you trying to make?

Iowas only winning because of experience?

More talented teams beat less talented teams?

I think this is the only time I've ever called out something as racist in my life and it was uncalled for but I'm just particularly annoyed by lazy basketball stereotyping.

I get what you were saying, I was just spinning it back around to make a point about how ridiculous it was to play the racial card when it no place in this thread whatsoever. Again, I couldn't care less if folks think my first post in this thread is stupid and idiotic... Being accused of being a racist flat out boils my blood, especially from someone I don't even know. My next door neighbor growing up was African American and we both shared an apartment during grad school at Iowa. Ask him if I'm a racist.

 

[lonhawk]

Cool, Iowa shoots 72% from the line on the year.

I meant in a game where it counts and the pressure is on...

 

[lonhawk]

I still haven't got over that Xavier loss this year.

Right, I meant Dayton. Iowa would lose to Xavier as well though...

 

[hawkeyemike23]

I meant in a game where it counts and the pressure is on...

That 72% is for all the games that count.

 

[lonhawk]

That 72% is for all the games that count.

Touché, 67.8 % in all losses that count. Go Hawks!