Wyoming, North Texas and Iowa St. were dogs??? Huh?? Wyoming has an NFL QB and is going bowling. North Texas went 7-1 in conference and are going bowling. ISU beat Okie and TCU. Yeah, those are some real 'dogs'. Nice try. Before the year started many thought we would be 1-2 after playing these dogs.
Reality vs Expectations
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Much better. I expect someone who spends as much effort as you do degrading people to perform at a much higher level. Please don't let your effort sink to the level of the people you look down upon.
I don't degrade anyone. They expose themselves and I just point out that the emperor has no clothes.
I'll try not to let you down, but try to manage your expectations. They can lead to great disappointment.
"Being a jackass is" want to amend your thought? I actually have very low expectations of your posts so I won't be disappointed.
Standing up to whiners and bullies doesn't make me a jackass. And most take this site and banter way too seriously. It's all just free entertainment.
My bad, I thought you would realize that when you typed 'I don't degrade anyone' and me pointing out your 'jackass' comment would be evident that you actually do attempt to degrade people would seem obvious. I gave you way too much credit and didn't realize I was in a battle of wits with an unarmed poster. I will go slower next time to match your capacity.
Well, if it was a comprehensible sentence I might have. Go back and read your sentence. It doesn't make sense. is not a complete sentence, and makes no reference to who said what you are quoting.
Even your first sentence in this post is poorly written. You need to work on your sentence structure it will lead to better communication. Sorry I let you down. I hate disappointing people. Especially people like you, who I really look up to. I'd definitely appreciate it if you would slow down for me, as I don't read poor writing very well.
I will just remind you that people that make idiotic comments degrade themselves. I just point it out.
See, isn't this entertaining!
Ouch, a grammar critique from a wordsmith such as yourself is hurtful. You haven't done well in the substantive part of the discussion so you have resorted to name calling and grammar critiques. I look forward to your 'I know you are but what am I?' approach next. Want to go back to the purpose of the thread?
Perfect place to post this.
*recruiting rankings use national APPP = Average Points Per Player
Reality versus expectations (teams presented in order of conference finish each year between 2014-17):
2014:
UW record: 11-3 overall; 7-1 conf; final rank: 13
UW recruiting 2010-14: 48, 30, 28, 36, 40
Neb record: 9-4 overall; 5-3 conf; final rank: —
Neb recruiting 2010-14: 34, 13, 18, 23, 44
Minn record: 8-5 overall; 5-3 conf; final rank: —
Minn recruiting 2010-14: 50, 52, 63, 54, 61
Iowa record: 7-6 overall; 4-4 conf; final rank: —
Iowa recruiting 2010-14: 42, 35, 39, 53, 49
ILL record: 6-7 overall; 3-5 conf; final rank: —
ILL recruiting 2010-14: 67, 51, 60, 60, 62
NW record: 5-7 overall; 3-5 conf; final rank: —
NW recruiting 2010-14: 43, 41, 58, 41, 28
PU record: 3-9 overall; 1-7 conf; final rank: —
PU recruiting 2010-14: 69, 56, 38, 55, 63
2015:
Iowa record: 12-2 overall; 8-0 conf; final rank: 9/10
Iowa recruiting 2011-15: 35, 39, 53, 49, 53
UW record: 10-3 overall; 6-2 conf; final rank: 21
UW recruiting 2011-15: 30, 28, 36, 40, 36
NW record: 10-3 overall; 6-2 conf; final rank: 22
NW recruiting 2011-15: 41, 58, 41, 28, 58
Neb record: 6-7 overall; 3-5 conf; final rank: —
Neb recruiting 2011-15: 13, 18, 23, 44, 29
Minn record: 6-7 overall; 2-6 conf; final rank: —
Minn recruiting 2011-15: 52, 63, 54, 61, 54
ILL record: 5-7 overall; 2-6 conf; final rank: —
ILL recruiting 2011-15: 51, 60, 60, 62, 51
PU record: 2-10 overall; 1-7 conf; final rank: —
PU recruiting 2011-15: 56, 38, 55, 63, 69
2016:
UW record: 11-3 overall; 7-2 conf; final rank: 9
UW recruiting 2012-16: 28, 36, 40, 36, 29
Iowa record: 8-5 overall; 6-3 conf; final rank: —
Iowa recruiting 2012-16: 39, 53, 49, 53, 41
Neb record: 9-4 overall; 6-3 conf; final rank: —
Neb recruiting 2012-16: 18, 23, 44, 29, 26
NW record: 7-6 overall; 5-4 conf; final rank: —
NW recruiting 2012-16: 58, 41, 28, 58, 40
Minn record: 9-4 overall; 5-4 conf; final rank: —
Minn recruiting 2012-16: 63, 54, 61, 54, 50
ILL record: 3-9 overall; 2-7 conf; final rank: —
ILL recruiting 2012-16: 60, 60, 62, 51, 72
PU record: 3-9 overall; 1-8 conf; final rank: —
PU recruiting 2012-16: 38, 55, 63, 69, 86
2017:
UW record: 12-1 overall; 9-0 conf; final rank: 6
UW recruiting 2013-17: 36, 40, 36, 29, 27
NW record: 9-3 overall; 7-2 conf; final rank: 20
NW recruiting 2013-17: 41, 28, 58, 40, 45
PU record: 6-6 overall; 4-5 conf; final rank: —
PU recruiting 2013-17: 55, 63, 69, 86, 69
Iowa record: 7-5 overall; 4-5 conf; final rank: —
Iowa recruiting 2013-17: 53, 49, 53, 41, 43
Neb record: 4-8 overall; 3-6 conf; final rank: —
Neb recruiting 2013-17: 23, 44, 29, 26, 21
Minn record: 5-7 overall; 2-7 conf; final rank: —
Minn recruiting 2013-17: 54, 61, 54, 50, 61
ILL record: 2-10 overall; 0-9 conf; final rank: —
ILL recruiting 2013-17: 60, 62, 51, 72, 48
*recruiting rankings use national APPP = Average Points Per Player
Reality versus expectations (teams presented in order of conference finish each year between 2014-17):
2014:
UW record: 11-3 overall; 7-1 conf; final rank: 13
UW recruiting 2010-14: 48, 30, 28, 36, 40
Neb record: 9-4 overall; 5-3 conf; final rank: —
Neb recruiting 2010-14: 34, 13, 18, 23, 44
Minn record: 8-5 overall; 5-3 conf; final rank: —
Minn recruiting 2010-14: 50, 52, 63, 54, 61
Iowa record: 7-6 overall; 4-4 conf; final rank: —
Iowa recruiting 2010-14: 42, 35, 39, 53, 49
ILL record: 6-7 overall; 3-5 conf; final rank: —
ILL recruiting 2010-14: 67, 51, 60, 60, 62
NW record: 5-7 overall; 3-5 conf; final rank: —
NW recruiting 2010-14: 43, 41, 58, 41, 28
PU record: 3-9 overall; 1-7 conf; final rank: —
PU recruiting 2010-14: 69, 56, 38, 55, 63
2015:
Iowa record: 12-2 overall; 8-0 conf; final rank: 9/10
Iowa recruiting 2011-15: 35, 39, 53, 49, 53
UW record: 10-3 overall; 6-2 conf; final rank: 21
UW recruiting 2011-15: 30, 28, 36, 40, 36
NW record: 10-3 overall; 6-2 conf; final rank: 22
NW recruiting 2011-15: 41, 58, 41, 28, 58
Neb record: 6-7 overall; 3-5 conf; final rank: —
Neb recruiting 2011-15: 13, 18, 23, 44, 29
Minn record: 6-7 overall; 2-6 conf; final rank: —
Minn recruiting 2011-15: 52, 63, 54, 61, 54
ILL record: 5-7 overall; 2-6 conf; final rank: —
ILL recruiting 2011-15: 51, 60, 60, 62, 51
PU record: 2-10 overall; 1-7 conf; final rank: —
PU recruiting 2011-15: 56, 38, 55, 63, 69
2016:
UW record: 11-3 overall; 7-2 conf; final rank: 9
UW recruiting 2012-16: 28, 36, 40, 36, 29
Iowa record: 8-5 overall; 6-3 conf; final rank: —
Iowa recruiting 2012-16: 39, 53, 49, 53, 41
Neb record: 9-4 overall; 6-3 conf; final rank: —
Neb recruiting 2012-16: 18, 23, 44, 29, 26
NW record: 7-6 overall; 5-4 conf; final rank: —
NW recruiting 2012-16: 58, 41, 28, 58, 40
Minn record: 9-4 overall; 5-4 conf; final rank: —
Minn recruiting 2012-16: 63, 54, 61, 54, 50
ILL record: 3-9 overall; 2-7 conf; final rank: —
ILL recruiting 2012-16: 60, 60, 62, 51, 72
PU record: 3-9 overall; 1-8 conf; final rank: —
PU recruiting 2012-16: 38, 55, 63, 69, 86
2017:
UW record: 12-1 overall; 9-0 conf; final rank: 6
UW recruiting 2013-17: 36, 40, 36, 29, 27
NW record: 9-3 overall; 7-2 conf; final rank: 20
NW recruiting 2013-17: 41, 28, 58, 40, 45
PU record: 6-6 overall; 4-5 conf; final rank: —
PU recruiting 2013-17: 55, 63, 69, 86, 69
Iowa record: 7-5 overall; 4-5 conf; final rank: —
Iowa recruiting 2013-17: 53, 49, 53, 41, 43
Neb record: 4-8 overall; 3-6 conf; final rank: —
Neb recruiting 2013-17: 23, 44, 29, 26, 21
Minn record: 5-7 overall; 2-7 conf; final rank: —
Minn recruiting 2013-17: 54, 61, 54, 50, 61
ILL record: 2-10 overall; 0-9 conf; final rank: —
ILL recruiting 2013-17: 60, 62, 51, 72, 48
I don't know why you're even bothering with this. Guy isn't even bright enough to use the correct "their" in a sentence before criticizing someone else's grammar.
No.... YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT 7-5 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED! You can demand whatever you want and it will have no impact on the results. You don't have to like the result but it is what it is.
The numbers are very similar. I think some of it is the 'back in the old days things were so much better' and some is the personality of the two. Hayden projected a different persona the 'next guy to smile after a loss will get punched' 'I only want assistants that want to be head coaches' 'scratch where it itches' and the mid season press conference where he would go off on somebody or something, the recollection is that winning was more important to him and the bad losses to Tulsa and some bad teams in the BIG are forgotten. KF doesn't project that, all class, tip your hat to the opponent, we are Iowa we do what we do, and the bad losses are remembered because of decency.
Iowa will win another football national championship and it's gonna be sweet! But it won't happen with a team full of 4 and 5 star players which is why it's gonna be so sweet. A few breaks, a couple playmakers on both sides of the ball, an undefeated season and BIG championship and some heroics in the playoffs. A motivated Iowa team playing on all 8 cylinders can whip a more talented team- (OSU)
If we were Alabama, we'd always be disappointed in not winning the NC. Being Iowa is a lot more fun. I truly believe Iowa will have a chance at a NC over the next few years. The D is stacked for the future and just a couple of guys being stud playmakers on O such as Lockett could make Iowa a player on the national stage.
For Alabama or OSU to win a NC it's what was expected and therefore can never be as sweet as a team like Iowa overcoming the odds to win it all. I anticipate winning and dream BIG but I also understand that Iowa is likely to fall short.
If we were Alabama, we'd always be disappointed in not winning the NC. Being Iowa is a lot more fun. I truly believe Iowa will have a chance at a NC over the next few years. The D is stacked for the future and just a couple of guys being stud playmakers on O such as Lockett could make Iowa a player on the national stage.
For Alabama or OSU to win a NC it's what was expected and therefore can never be as sweet as a team like Iowa overcoming the odds to win it all. I anticipate winning and dream BIG but I also understand that Iowa is likely to fall short.
Any time I get upset about the program I just have to think about Texas. It really puts things into perspective.
Last 8 years of Texas Football:
5-7
8-5
9-4
8-5
6-7
5-7
5-7
6-6 (bowl game left)
52-48, 5 bowl games.
This is despite the largest/2nd largest budget in the nation. This is despite being a legendary blueblood program. This is despite being located in the 2nd most talent rich areas of the country. This is despite a roster full of 4-5* talent, where their more likely to have a 4* than a 3* and more likely to have a 5* than a 2*. This is despite having their pick of the top "best/hottest" coaches in America.
Last 8 years of Iowa Football:
8-5
7-6
4-8
8-5
7-6
12-2
8-5
7-5 (bowl game left)
61-42, 7 bowl games.
Now if Iowa could just get an offense that's in the top 60 of Total Offense consistently and a punter that could switch the field.... I'm sure Parker would be all for it.
Last 8 years of Texas Football:
5-7
8-5
9-4
8-5
6-7
5-7
5-7
6-6 (bowl game left)
52-48, 5 bowl games.
This is despite the largest/2nd largest budget in the nation. This is despite being a legendary blueblood program. This is despite being located in the 2nd most talent rich areas of the country. This is despite a roster full of 4-5* talent, where their more likely to have a 4* than a 3* and more likely to have a 5* than a 2*. This is despite having their pick of the top "best/hottest" coaches in America.
Last 8 years of Iowa Football:
8-5
7-6
4-8
8-5
7-6
12-2
8-5
7-5 (bowl game left)
61-42, 7 bowl games.
Now if Iowa could just get an offense that's in the top 60 of Total Offense consistently and a punter that could switch the field.... I'm sure Parker would be all for it.
You are dead on and again I'm reminded why I don't like to argue with you, you're a solid dude and you get it. It really is frustrating to lose when we seemingly have so much more ability, both coaching & talent wise to lose some of these games we lose... it's baffling!
I can only hang my hat on the fact that it happens to every team especially teams like Iowa !
Wyoming is going bowling and is 7-5. Past record is:
4-8, 5-7, 4-8, 2-10, 8-6
North Tx went bowling and lost and is 9-5. Past record is:
4-8, 9-4, 4-8, 1-11, 5-8,
ISU is going bowling and is 7-5. Past record is:
6-7, 3-9, 2-10, 3-9, 3-9
Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that Iowa scheduled a real murder's row here. The record listed are from 12 to 16 seasons. Two years ago they would have been playing 2-10, 1-11, 3-9. It so happened that those teams put together a good season this year and they all happened to schedule Iowa. It's about as likely to happen again as an asteroid colliding with Earth. Looking at 12-16 seasons, there would have only been two years when 1 team finished with a winning record. I don't think the people sitting in the stands for each of these games and said, "Oh awesome we are playing (insert name here)." Things happened to be tougher this year but let's be real about the appeal of the games.
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I was framing that statement using the terms of the OP. I would "accept" was reference to the outcomes with future seasons. You were that guy in elementary school weren't you? You know, the know it all.
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I think "the content crowd is capable of seeing the big picture..meanwhile the dissolutioned have a myopic view. If the only football you watch is Iowa, you would swear we're the only team in the country that either has talent but the coaches don't know how to use it, or doesn't have talent because the coaches can't recruit, or because you're so involved with iowa you failed to realize that even the blue blood programs can't sustain top level production year in and year out.
Others seem to think there is a correlation between the amount we pay a coach should directly relate to wins. They speak as if 6-6 or 7-5 would some how be more acceptable if the coach were paid 2 million instead of 4...
Again, as an "expectation" person I will say..... I don't spend 52 weeks of the year hoping the team goes 7-5. My expectations are we get better. The reality is we tend to stick right around 7-5. If I'm not significantly better at my job after being here 19 years I will jump off a parking garage. (Or more likely find another job)
