REBOUNDING!!! On Dec 21: IOWA Ranked #326 out of 364 D1 Teams in Rebounding Margin. 20 Second Chance Pts & 46-34 Reb. Margin for Clown U

[joelbc1]

FACT: every team in every sport has had a bad coach.

And???
You have a “guarantee” waiting in the wings? There’s a lot of “good coaches” out there…the secret is to find the best fit. That is more art than science.
The only high quality coach Iowa brought in was Ralph Miller and Ralph won right away and won big. Lute was a gamble. Tom Davis was a solid coach but not great. Raveling was a great recruiter. Alford was a “cannot miss” who missed….Lickliter was a horrid failure…Fran has given Iowa exactly what folks said he would give Iowa..fun offenses that score a lot of points, and guys that sit on the bench after they pick up their second foul in the first half.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

And???
You have a “guarantee” waiting in the wings? There’s a lot of “good coaches” out there…the secret is to find the best fit. That is more art than science.
The only high quality coach Iowa brought in was Ralph Miller and Ralph won right away and won big. Lute was a gamble. Tom Davis was a solid coach but not great. Raveling was a great recruiter. Alford was a “cannot miss” who missed….Lickliter was a horrid failure…Fran has given Iowa exactly what folks said he would give Iowa..fun offenses that score a lot of points, and guys that sit on the bench after they pick up their second foul in the first half.

The fear is strong with you.

 

[joelbc1]

The fear is strong with you.

“The fear”? Nice….😍

 

[Franisdaman]

Before Street died, they lead the country in rebounding margin by a good amount. It was a thing of beauty watching Iowa block out when the shot went up

I went to see just how bad Iowa's rebounding is. What follows INCLUDES last night's games.

NOTE below that Utah is a good rebounding team. We play them on Sat Dec 21 in Sioux Falls.

Also check out below how good Drake is.

IOWA is ranked #330 out of 355 D1 teams in rebounding margin.

Rebound Margin Rankings:

+13: Illinois, Georgia, BYU, Idaho State (these 4 teams lead the nation)

Other notables:

+11: Michigan State
+10: Drake, Utah State

+9: Utah

+5: Iowa State, Michigan

-5: IOWA


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[Franisdaman]

Yes, Fran is good at being ahead at NON WINNING TIME

his system scores a lot of points but defense and rebounding seem to not matter

 

[Franisdaman]

The fear is strong with you.

I think we know Fran's ceiling.

Is this correct?

* Around a 7th to 9th place finish in an 18 team league

* IF we make the NCAA Tournament, it's likely a one and done. A Sweet 16? LOL

I can see why there is Fran Fatigue.

 

[Franisdaman]

What's new? This is Fran basketball and has been. We try to compensate w/ slow, lean length. It gets exposed every year, works just enough to get us to the dance, and culminated in further exposure.

We all know how this ends, don't we?

 

[joelbc1]

We all know how this ends, don't we?

My question is…. How long do you give the next guy? How quick before you fire him? How many chances does he/she get? What if he is successful and someone comes in and tries to take him away… how lucrative do you get in trying to keep him? Or do you?

 

[Franisdaman]

My question is…. How long do you give the next guy? How quick before you fire him? How many chances does he/she get? What if he is successful and someone comes in and tries to take him away… how lucrative do you get in trying to keep him? Or do you?

I don't know what the answers are but this is Fran's 15th season and I think it's pretty clear apathy has set in with the fan base. Look at attendance, for starters.

I kinda wonder if this is Fran's last year; after all, most of his family is or soon will be in Indianapolis. We'll see.

I don't know what Fran's buyout is after this season.

I trust Beth, though.

 

[gojojo]

It’s pretty simple, it’s a lack of effort by the players while the head coach and staff clearly don’t stress the importance of rebounding.

Iowa state worked harder and wanted it more down the stretch.

We put up a shot and have 4 guys watching from 20 ft, while ISU has all 5 guys attacking the lane. You aren’t going to beat many teams at this level with that mindset

it’s well passed time to move on from Fran McCaffrey.

 

[joelbc1]

I don't know what the answers are but this is Fran's 15th season and I think it's pretty clear apathy has set in with the fan base. Look at attendance, for starters.

I kinda wonder if this is Fran's last year; after all, most of his family is or soon will be in Indianapolis. We'll see.

I don't know what Fran's buyout is after this season.

I trust Beth, though.

“I trust Beth, though”….
Really? LOL
We shall see…. I hope your trust is not disappointed.

 

[Franisdaman]

It’s pretty simple, it’s a lack of effort by the players while the head coach and staff clearly don’t stress the importance of rebounding.

Iowa state worked harder and wanted it more down the stretch.

We put up a shot and have 4 guys watching from 20 ft, while ISU has all 5 guys attacking the lane. You aren’t going to beat many teams at this level with that mindset

it’s well passed time to move on from Fran McCaffrey.

I agree with you. Clown U will win a lot of games with that PLUS 5 rebounding margin & Iowa will lose more games like last night because of their MINUS 5 rebounding margin.

As I mentioned above, Utah is PLUS 9 in rebounding margin. Are they going to kill us on the boards, too? We play them on Sat Dec 21 in Sioux Falls.

 

[Franisdaman]

FACT: every team in every sport has had a bad coach.

My god, just imagine if this team worked on & emphasized rebounding just a little bit....

It's clear they emphasized making your damn FTs after the Michigan loss....

How bout we box out, too???

It is so frustrating that one simple fundamental aspect of the game (rebounding) is killing us.

 

[Franisdaman]

“I trust Beth, though”….
Really? LOL
We shall see…. I hope your trust is not disappointed.

Well, she did fire Brian.

Are you happy with the men's basketball product? If so, which parts?

 

[Franisdaman]

And that is what I have seen for years with many of Fran's players on the defensive end, not being in a really good defensive stance and position, not having their knees flexed and ready to move and pivot fast, so it doesnt surprise me that ISU was beating our players to spots, it is too bad as they would win a lot more games using more energy on the defensive end and on the boards

I am stating the obvious here, but when you rebound the ball, you can then score the ball.

As much as Fran loves offense and scoring, I will never understand why he doesn't value rebounding.

It's embarrassing being -12 on the boards and allowing 20 second chance points last night.

 

[Franisdaman]

I really enjoyed those 45 point outbursts UIowa enjoyed under Lickliter. Ah, the golden days of UIowa basketball.

apathy set in quickly with Lick and Barta pulled the plug

unfortunately, apathy has set in with Fran

 

[jonesy5960]

I am stating the obvious here, but when you rebound the ball, you can then score the ball.

As much as Fran loves offense and scoring, I will never understand why he doesn't value rebounding.

It's embarrassing being -12 on the boards and allowing 20 second chance points last night.

Is it that he doesn't value rebounding or that he prioritizes shooting and scoring over everything else? There isn't a good rebounder on the team and I would include Freeman in that assessment. As the starting 5 he is averaging 4 rebounds per game over the last 4 games. That's terrible.

 

[twindman]

I remember one sequence - maybe our free throw or maybe something else - one of our guards, I think brock or dix, got hands on the ball in the paint. State had 4 guys in or near the paint and no other Iowa guy within 15 feet of the basket. That is poor coaching.

 

[RocknRollface]

Is it that he doesn't value rebounding or that he prioritizes shooting and scoring over everything else? There isn't a good rebounder on the team and I would include Freeman in that assessment. As the starting 5 he is averaging 4 rebounds per game over the last 4 games. That's terrible.

Traore will be a good rebounder, he averaged over 8 a game last year.

 

[jonesy5960]

Traore will be a good rebounder, he averaged over 8 a game last year.

I'm not sure that rebounding proficiency in the MAAC translates well to Big 10. With that said, he's definitely the most athletic forward on the team making him the likeliest to excel in that statistical category.

I'd also suggest that perhaps the best rebounder on the team almost never sees the court.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

1. Find a guy
2. Put your arse into him
3. Go get the ball.

 

[Hawky42]

 

[DewHawk]

IMO it appears they are all anxious to head downcourt on offense and nobody rebounds the ball on defensive end. Just another indication what is important to McCaffery. Of course, the problem with is the other opponent rebounds and scores. Pure genius on McCaffery's part.

Fundamentals escape McCaffery and in-game coaching as usual is pretty much non-existent.

 

[uihawk82]

I am stating the obvious here, but when you rebound the ball, you can then score the ball.

As much as Fran loves offense and scoring, I will never understand why he doesn't value rebounding.

It's embarrassing being -12 on the boards and allowing 20 second chance points last night.

Lute Olsen was the first big time bball coach I ever heard break down the stats postgame. Frank Miller was folksy on his radio and TV shows, Tom Davis was clear talking about the points of the game, but Olsen was great.

He was the first coach I ever heard talk about turnover differential. If your team has 10 turnovers and the other team has 20 turnovers then that difference of 10 turnovers, which is 10 extra possessions, should statistically add up to 5 baskets out of those 10 extra possessions if you shoot about 50%. And they did shoot around 50% back then because there was no 3 pt basket and many more shots were taken in close, layups, etc.

And the same thing goes for giving up offensive rebounds. Every offensive rebound you give up is like a turnover so if both teams have 24 defensive rebounds but one team has 8 more offensive rebounds then chances are they will score on 4 of those 8 extra possessions and get 8 to 10 more points. Made shots and shooting %age, rebounds by type, and turnovers is was Lute always hammered on.

Of course, he really hammered home free throw shooting.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

IMO it appears they are all anxious to head downcourt on offense and nobody rebounds the ball on defensive end. Just another indication what is important to McCaffery. Of course, the problem with is the other opponent rebounds and scores. Pure genius on McCaffery's part.

Fundamentals escape McCaffery and in-game as usual is pretty much non-existent.

I think it has more to do with fran wanting the expenditure of energy to be on the offensive side, not the defensive one.

 

[uihawk82]

I am stating the obvious here, but when you rebound the ball, you can then score the ball.

As much as Fran loves offense and scoring, I will never understand why he doesn't value rebounding.

It's embarrassing being -12 on the boards and allowing 20 second chance points last night.

And another story about Lute doing his coaching. I would play racketball or workout at the old fieldhouse when the bball team would practice. I would sometimes sit and watch before or after I was done.

At the end of every practice, when the players were tired Lute said, he would have a freethrow shoot around. Each player on the lane and one shooting. You had to make 2 free throws in a row to hit the showers. And of course players like Lester, Boyle, and some other sharpshooters would hit their two right away and be gone. KRafcisin and Steve Waiter were a couple who struggled, and a few times Lute just let them go to the showers instead of totally negative images filliing their heads.

But just remember that Steve Waite hit that layup and One in the East Regional final. He had a free throw to shoot after the whole game and only a few seconds left and he hit it. That was great for him and the team

 

[SB_SB]

Freeman at the line 78-78 and he bricks both. Ball game.

That's because he was sucking air. He needed a break around the 4 minute mark so catch his breath. When he banked in the FT you could see he was wiped out.

 

[joelbc1]

apathy set in quickly with Lick and Barta pulled the plug

unfortunately, apathy has set in with Fran

As it did with Fry, Ferentz, Olson, Davis and any number of coaches…Boyz, I’m telling you you coaches, ministers and club golf professionals have a shelf life 5 years or so and then it’s time for them to move on…after so long you start making “enemies” and not friends, regardless of your professional expertise/ record..…Not all professions, but these mentioned for sure…

 

[IllQChawk]

Traore will be a good rebounder, he averaged over 8 a game last year.

You think Fran is going to play Traore 30 plus minutes an game for the rest of the year. SURE HE IS.....NOT

 

[Franisdaman]

Is it that he doesn't value rebounding or that he prioritizes shooting and scoring over everything else? There isn't a good rebounder on the team and I would include Freeman in that assessment. As the starting 5 he is averaging 4 rebounds per game over the last 4 games. That's terrible.

That is terrible; Owen should be averaging many more.

IF/when Traore gets more minutes, I sure as heck he rebounds like crazy; someone has to!

 

[RocknRollface]

You think Fran is going to play Traore 30 plus minutes an game for the rest of the year. SURE HE IS.....NOT

Leave me out of your incoherent ramblings, I have no interest in them.

 

[Franisdaman]

I remember one sequence - maybe our free throw or maybe something else - one of our guards, I think brock or dix, got hands on the ball in the paint. State had 4 guys in or near the paint and no other Iowa guy within 15 feet of the basket. That is poor coaching.

I don't get it; and I don't think it's gonna change.

 

[Franisdaman]

news flash, Iowa's always been a bad rebounding team under fran

have we ever been ranked #330 in the country?

 

[mro1978]

have we ever been ranked #330 in the country?

there's bad and there's brian ferentz, we still haven't come up with an adjective for his wretched dreadfulness

 

[Franisdaman]

he only played 4 minutes in the second half, 10 in the first. Still have 4 rebounds, Freeman and Payton 5, Thelwell 6. So team effort on rebounds. You play small ball and you better make your shots, which they did until late in the game when they went 4 for 17.

Fran played only 7 players 5 or more minutes and it was a lot of small ball. At the same time, after the shot attempt, they all need to turn around and put their butt into the legs of their opponent so that the opponent can't get position for the offensive rebound. As I mentioned before, you learn this very young, when first learning the game.

Mulvey (did not play) would have helped in the rebounding dept, imo.

Rebounds.....Minutes
6: Drew..............36
5: Owen.............26
5: Payton..........39
4: Dix..................36
4: Ladji.................14
3: Seydou...........14
2: Brock..............31
0: Pryce................4
29....................................200
Rebs...........................Mins
..............................Available

5 Rebounds were credited to "team."

 

[Franisdaman]

Here is a quote from Otty-Burger during the post-game tonight that pretty much sums up the last 10 years of watching Iowa basketball for me: "Rebounding, there's a skill piece to it, but so much comes down to heart, determination and effort."

I honestly forgot we were playing ISU tonight. I may have watched if I had remembered......and I want the Hawks to win, but I just can't get invested in a team that goes down like soft $h!T in a rainstorm when someone punches them in the mouth.

Every year when basketball season comes around, I hope that it is Fran's last in Iowa City. I think the very worst thing you can be described as is soft.

Do you know who asked him about rebounding? The Hawkeye beat writers have to be sick of the effort, too

 

[intrepodor]

100% coaching.

You don't box out? You sit your ass on the bench.

So many rebounds anymore are from 3 attempts. You need athletic players to corral them.

 

[Franisdaman]

So many rebounds anymore are from 3 attempts. You need athletic players to corral them.

I wish we didn't suck so bad at it. Iowa is the #330 rebounding team in the nation

And don't forget, we have played 10 games so far and 5 were against these teams, where you'd think our overall rebounding ranking wouldn't end up being so poor: Texas A&M Commerce, Southern, South Dakota, USC Upstate and Rider.

 

[Franisdaman]

KenPom currently ranks New Orleans #346 out of 364 teams.

Iowa outrebounded New Orleans today, 35-34.

Iowa 104-57 New Orleans (Dec 15, 2024) Box Score - ESPN

Box score for the Iowa Hawkeyes vs. New Orleans Privateers NCAAM game from December 15, 2024 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.

www.espn.com

 

[LaQuintaHawkeye]

Iowa outrebounded New Orleans today, 35-34.

But still gave up 16 offensive rebounds and only grabbed 8.

Pathetic.