Neither #12 ranked Arizona St nor #9 ranked Boise St should have received a 1st Round CFP Bye. Should 3 Loss, #11 ranked Alabama have gotten in?
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I know he has to stump for his conference and all, but we can all agree that the b12 was a good, not great conference this year right?
I can’t wait for the inevitable complaints by cyclone fans that the officials screwed them.one team is all they deserve
hopefully its Ariz State
On the other hand, any excuse to make an SEC play road games in cold weather is appealing to me.
As has been established, that's incorrect, but I think that is going to be what will happen after the next power shift - instead of conference champions being guaranteed a bye, they'll be guaranteed a home game.
What I think could happen after Fla St, Clemson and Miami (FL) join the SEC or Big Ten:
1) 4 teams from both Big Ten and SEC get bids to 12-team CFP, with champs guaranteed a bye
2) 2 other conference champions get bids, guaranteed a home playoff game
3) 2 at-large bids - (Notre Dame/independent, 5th conference champion, 5th Big Ten/SEC team, etc.)
4) Other 2 byes must be conference champs or conference runners-up (keeps Notre Dame punished for not joining a conference, and does not help teams from Big Ten & SEC with seeding because they failed to reach their conference's championship game)
This year's bracket with these rules (assuming chalk this weekend):
1) Oregon, 2) Texas, 3) Penn St, 4) Georgia
5) Notre Dame, 6) Ohio St, 7) SMU, 8) Boise St
9) Tennessee, 10) Indiana, 11) Alabama, 12) Miami -FL or Big 12 champ
My 2 cents
I think their resume is part of the reason they are seeded so poorly.
And I have no doubt the committee wants to get 4 SEC and 4 B1G teams in the field of 12.
Current projection for IU:
#10 seed Indiana at #7 seed Georgia
Winner plays #2 seed Texas
I don't get it. Doesn't this weekend's game decide which Big 12 team gets in? Why is he bitching already?
Sucks to suck I guess. The B12 was in the drivers seat to send 2 to the CFP but the conference imploded in the last month. ISU has two top 25 wins, neat. They also have 2 reallllly bad back-to-back losses.
TBH they're lucky they still have a shot, because Miami (who's in a similar boat) doesn't.
He doesn't like a 3 loss Alabama, a 3 loss Ole Miss and a 3 loss South Carolina ahead of two Big 12 teams with "just" 2 losses.
He and the Big 12 Commish are obviously making a case for 2 Big 12 teams to make the CFP and not just 1.
Current CFP Top 25:
(Teams in BOLD would make the 12 team field)| 1 | Oregon--1st Round Bye | 12-0 |
| 2 | Texas--1st Round Bye | 11-1 |
| 3 | Penn State | 11-1 |
| 4 | Notre Dame | 11-1 |
| 5 | Georgia | 10-2 |
| 6 | Ohio State | 10-2 |
| 7 | Tennessee | 10-2 |
| 8 | SMU--1st Round Bye | 11-1 |
| 9 | Indiana | 11-1 |
| 10 | Boise State--1st Round Bye | 11-1 |
| 11 | Alabama | 9-3 |
| 12 | Miami | 10-2 |
| 13 | Ole Miss | 9-3 |
| 14 | South Carolina | 9-3 |
| 15 | Arizona State | 10-2 |
| 16 | Iowa State | 10-2 |
| 17 | Clemson | 9-3 |
| 18 | BYU | 10-2 |
| 19 | Missouri | 9-3 |
| 20 | UNLV | 10-2 |
| 21 | Illinois | 9-3 |
| 22 | Syracuse | 9-3 |
| 23 | Colorado | 9-3 |
| 24 | Army | 10-1 |
| 25 | Memphis | 10-2 |
Not sure what you mean by "all the 3 loss teams," but:
ESPN Football Power Index - Indiana #10 (3-loss Alabama and Ole Miss ahead of them)
ESPN Strength of Record - Indiana #8 (no 3-loss teams ahead of them)
ESPN Net Efficiency - Indiana #7 (3-loss Alabama and Ole Miss ahead of them)
Massey Composite - Indiana #8 (no 3-loss teams ahead of them)
So, there's the argument. Those are my 4 most reliable rankings; as objective as anything you'll find out there.
Both Alabama and Ole Miss have 2 losses to unranked teams.
Alabama will get into the CFP anyway. Ole Miss is likely on the outside looking in, but line has to be drawn somewhere, and the SEC will be well-represented, as they should.
No other 3-loss team is even close.
Indiana can only play who is on their schedule; just about every team out there would lose at Ohio St (the MI rivalry game notwithstanding).
Why aren't you ripping on Penn St? Their resume is almost identical to Indiana - only Indiana destroyed most of their opponents and Penn St had some close calls.
Maybe we should go back to the old BCS computer thingy, have it rank the top 12 teams and be done with it.
That would at least provide some measure of objectivity to the process.
Wish they would have kept it from the start of the CFP. However, pretty sure most years the CFP's final rankings are incredibly close to what the BCS would have ranked.
yeah, too many conference commissioners trying to politic their teams into the playoff
it would be interesting to see how the BCS computers would rank these 8 teams:
| 10 | Boise State--1st Round Bye | 11-1 |
| 11 | Alabama--#11 Seed | 9-3 |
| 12 | Miami | 10-2 |
| 13 | Ole Miss | 9-3 |
| 14 | South Carolina | 9-3 |
| 15 | Arizona State--#12 Seed | 10-2 |
| 16 | Iowa State | 10-2 |
| 17 | Clemson | 9-3 |
Alabama's wins are way better than Miami's wins. Miami has two shitty losses, Alabama has two shitty losses and 1 loss to a ranked team.
Alabama has 3 wins against teams in the current CFP rankings. Miami has 0.
The Big 12 Commissioner thinks the Big 12 champ should be getting a 1st round bye over any Group of 5 champion.
Is he right?
The story:
Big 12's Yormark: CFP favoring 'logos vs. résumés'
Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark clearly expressed his displeasure about the College Football Playoff rankings while insisting Wednesday that his conference's champion should get a first-round bye over any Group of Five champion.www.espn.com
I have no idea how IU has decent metrics other than margin of victory and great stats against mediocre teams. They’d be a borderline bowl team in the SEC. And I’m a Big 10 guy. But the Big 10 really is mediocre this year, top heavy I suppose but just compare 4-10 in each league.
An 8-team playoff would have been enough. There should be no complaining if you're 7-8 or lower, you're fortunate to be in. Adding teams 5-6 eliminated the previous controversy of a legit championship team getting in. Just like March Madness someone will always complain that they should be in, no matter how many teams. After 12 games, the eye test should provide enough knowledge of who belongs.
You think Boise State will deserve a bye over Arizona State (at 11-2 and Big 12 Conference champions)? It will likely happen but it isn't deserved.
SMU and Indiana don't have 2 losses to unranked teams. Maybe JP should focus on what his football team does and not what other teams' schedules look like.
An 8-team playoff would have been enough. There should be no complaining if you're 7-8 or lower, you're fortunate to be in. Adding teams 5-6 eliminated the previous controversy of a legit championship team getting in. Just like March Madness someone will always complain that they should be in, no matter how many teams. After 12 games, the eye test should provide enough knowledge of who belongs.
8 isn’t enough with unbalanced schedules.
Besides. The playoff games will be the only games where the best players don’t say, “ no thanks, prepping for draft”.
That's not what you said. You said "The winner of the Big 12 championship game, either Arizona State or Iowa State (either would be 11-2 and conference champs) deserve to get a first round bye. Period."
I don't think either ASU or ISU are worthy of a first round bye. There are most certainly 4 teams better than them. Boise St may not be one of them, but there are several others...conference champs or not.
I say seed 'em all, screw the conf champ angle when it comes to byes.
It would at least make it less of an invitational tournament and way more objective. I just don’t know if the B1G & SEC would go along, because the question becomes how do you differentiate competitive strengths between conferences in the computer algorithms.
Ask and you shall receive.
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Conference Champs get the byes.....so screw your seeding. Big 12 Champ deserves a bye by virtue of being Conference Champ. Pretty simple, really.
I think we will see more balance throughout college football. With NIL and the portal, it’ll create more than there has been. Colleges will be able to pay athletes soon too.
I agree on teams better than them but giving conference champions a bye makes sense long term. It’s not just about this season. The BIG/SEC will always get most of the bids anyway. The dominant teams aren’t near as dominant as they once were and that’s exciting for 90% of fans. Teams like Iowa will have a shot in some years going forward. This is just the beginning of major shifts.
I think Saban realized this and got out now for a reason. The blue bloods and certain teams will have advantages but it won’t be as big.
I’ll root for the underdog unless it’s ISU in games. The playoff is awesome though and this is much better than the 4 team one.
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This is a macro perspective, but I work with a lot of kids in the Phoenix metro and this is the most I’ve heard them talk college football.
I know this is an Iowa board and most won’t care but it’s fun to see. Growing up a Hawkeye fan in Iowa made me fall in love with CFB, so I smile when I see others doing the same.
I know this is an Iowa board and most won’t care but it’s fun to see. Growing up a Hawkeye fan in Iowa made me fall in love with CFB, so I smile when I see others doing the same.
OK. If you like the system the way it is, then the highest ranked Conference Champs get the byes. That puts Boise St ahead of ASU/ISU. Pretty simple.
