Neither #12 ranked Arizona St nor #9 ranked Boise St should have received a 1st Round CFP Bye. Should 3 Loss, #11 ranked Alabama have gotten in?

[sober_teacher]

I think we will see more balance throughout college football. With NIL and the portal, it’ll create more than there has been. Colleges will be able to pay athletes soon too.

Only caveat I’ll add is wanting to wait until we see things stabilize. It’s the Wild West out there and we just don’t know how things will land…

Will colleges paying players stem the flow of portal entries somewhat? Will schools with better funded NILs have clear advantages? And so on

 

[millah_22]

It would at least make it less of an invitational tournament and way more objective. I just don’t know if the B1G & SEC would go along, because the question becomes how do you differentiate competitive strengths between conferences in the computer algorithms.

The committee really needs public guidelines just to have some sort of validation. But maybe that doesn't generate enough views for ESPN.

 

[Franisdaman]

I have no idea how IU has decent metrics other than margin of victory and great stats against mediocre teams. They’d be a borderline bowl team in the SEC. And I’m a Big 10 guy. But the Big 10 really is mediocre this year, top heavy I suppose but just compare 4-10 in each league.

Their HC argues, of course, that he can't control the schedule. He also likes to remind people that they beat both of last year's teams that played for the National Championship

 

[Franisdaman]

You think Boise State will deserve a bye over Arizona State (at 11-2 and Big 12 Conference champions)? It will likely happen but it isn't deserved.

personally, I don't think Boise St or Ariz State deserve a bye

 

[ozzie8]

Idk why they release these rankings/brackets every week and back themselves into a corner. Just do it like college hoops and have a selection Sunday

 

[Franisdaman]

Idk why they release these rankings/brackets every week and back themselves into a corner. Just do it like college hoops and have a selection Sunday

yeah, Miami fans know already that they are not gonna be in the CFP

 

[sober_teacher]

Idk why they release these rankings/brackets every week and back themselves into a corner. Just do it like college hoops and have a selection Sunday

Where they back themselves into a corner is they have never released any set of criteria that they’re judging by.

And even college hoops has been releasing the top 16 seeds for the last month or so prior to selection Sunday the past few years.

 

[sober_teacher]

personally, I don't think Boise St or Ariz State deserve a bye

All things being equal I don’t hate it this year. Not sure I agree that in a year like this you should give someone who either has 3 losses or didn’t make the conference title game a bye over a conference champ.

 

[millah_22]

Idk why they release these rankings/brackets every week and back themselves into a corner. Just do it like college hoops and have a selection Sunday

clicks and views and eyeballs on screens

 

[ozzie8]

Where they back themselves into a corner is they have never released any set of criteria that they’re judging by.

And even college hoops has been releasing the top 16 seeds for the last month or so prior to selection Sunday the past few years.

Right on the top 16, but Greg Gumbel and the boys arent dropping a field every Sunday afternoon for 6 weeks with the committee chair backing themselves into a corner every week with their selections/comments. Let the games play out and have 1 official selection show on Sunday afternoon.

 

[sober_teacher]

Right on the top 16, but Greg Gumbel and the boys arent dropping a field every Sunday afternoon for 6 weeks with the committee chair backing themselves into a corner every week with their selections/comments. Let the games play out and have 1 official selection show on Sunday afternoon.

The reason basketball doesn’t back themselves into a corner is that they’ve got a set of metrics that everyone knows they’re taking into account with the seeds.

There’s less angst as a result.

 

[ozzie8]

The reason basketball doesn’t back themselves into a corner is that they’ve got a set of metrics that everyone knows they’re taking into account with the seeds.

There’s less angst as a result.

True

 

[Franisdaman]

Would you guys rather be the 5 seed & then likely play Boise State for a chance at the Final 4?

 

[Franisdaman]

That's not what you said. You said "The winner of the Big 12 championship game, either Arizona State or Iowa State (either would be 11-2 and conference champs) deserve to get a first round bye. Period."

I don't think either ASU or ISU are worthy of a first round bye. There are most certainly 4 teams better than them. Boise St may not be one of them, but there are several others...conference champs or not.

I say seed 'em all, screw the conf champ angle when it comes to byes.

agreed. rank the top 12 and give the top 4 the first round byes

 

[Franisdaman]

It would at least make it less of an invitational tournament and way more objective. I just don’t know if the B1G & SEC would go along, because the question becomes how do you differentiate competitive strengths between conferences in the computer algorithms.

and the SEC & B1G are looking to have 4 guaranteed spots coming up soon

 

[mro1978]

I think the most idiotic thing they could have done was give all the power conference champs auto byes. The top 4 teams get auto byes. The power conference champs get into the playoffs, that's their reward. And hell no alabama doesn't deserve a playoff spot simply for being alabama. They lost to vanderbilt and got their asses handed to them by a 6-6 OU team.

 

[iahawks10]

I think the most idiotic thing they could have done was give all the power conference champs auto byes. The top 4 teams get auto byes. The power conference champs get into the playoffs, that's their reward. And hell no alabama doesn't deserve a playoff spot simply for being alabama. They lost to vanderbilt and got their asses handed to them by a 6-6 OU team.

You do realize that they didn’t give any power conference an automatic bye or an automatic spot in the playoffs, right?

There’s only two “power conferences” now and they are guaranteed as much as every other conference in FBS.

 

[AEG82]

I know he has to stump for his conference and all, but we can all agree that the b12 was a good, not great conference this year right?

Just my opinion but I think the B12 is an okay conference on par with the B1G West. I don't think they're good by any measurement. With that said, I definitely value those teams and what they've done above what a group of five team has done. I also think the winner of the B12 and ACC should get a home game and should be in the playoffs. I don't base it on worthiness of the team, rather, the collective. I don't think any of the teams from the B12 or ACC are really deserving honestly but as they're conference winners of supposed power 4 conferences, they should be in. I just don't know about any auto bids honestly.

This will be fixed in a couple of years but as of now...I love the pettiness being displayed. This is what it's all about in college football.

 

[BonzoFury]

Just my opinion but I think the B12 is an okay conference on par with the B1G West. I don't think they're good by any measurement. With that said, I definitely value those teams and what they've done above what a group of five team has done. I also think the winner of the B12 and ACC should get a home game and should be in the playoffs. I don't base it on worthiness of the team, rather, the collective. I don't think any of the teams from the B12 or ACC are really deserving honestly but as they're conference winners of supposed power 4 conferences, they should be in. I just don't know about any auto bids honestly.

This will be fixed in a couple of years but as of now...I love the pettiness being displayed. This is what it's all about in college football.

There is no BIG West. But if you want that comparison then do last year's Big 12. No ASU BYU, AZ or Colorado. Most of the juice came from the new teams.

 

[AEG82]

There is no BIG West. But if you want that comparison then do last year's Big 12. No ASU BYU, AZ or Colorado. Most of the juice came from the new teams.

I'm aware there's no B1G West any longer but it's the closest comparison I can think of outside of the Big East back in the day as part of a "Power" Conference.

I agree with you. Their best teams currently are from the PAC and previous independents now. Utah is the shocker. Really thought they'd run away with the conference.

 

[HawkDoggy]

OK. If you like the system the way it is, then the highest ranked Conference Champs get the byes. That puts Boise St ahead of ASU/ISU. Pretty simple.

Not so fast my friend! Let's wait and see what the rankings are AFTER the conf championship games.

 

[mro1978]

Just my opinion but I think the B12 is an okay conference on par with the B1G West.

pick one or the other

 

[obfuscating]

He says it.

Why they get in.

 

[Franisdaman]

I think the most idiotic thing they could have done was give all the power conference champs auto byes. The top 4 teams get auto byes. The power conference champs get into the playoffs, that's their reward. And hell no alabama doesn't deserve a playoff spot simply for being alabama. They lost to vanderbilt and got their asses handed to them by a 6-6 OU team.

So who should be above Bama ?

no right or wrong answer

 

[BonzoFury]

Not so fast my friend! Let's wait and see what the rankings are AFTER the conf championship games.

It will be interesting. Hard to imagine ASU or ISU jumping 5-6 spots. it would likely take an upset from UNLV over Boise state.
The funny thing is even with adding eight spots somebody is still gonna complain about not making the playoff.

 

[HawkDoggy]

It will be interesting. Hard to imagine ASU or ISU jumping 5-6 spots. it would likely take an upset from UNLV over Boise state.
The funny thing is even with adding eight spots somebody is still gonna complain about not making the playoff.

100%

 

[mro1978]

So who should be above Bama ?

no right or wrong answer

someone who didn't lose badly to a 6-6 team

 

[AEG82]

pick one or the other

That's tough but after some rumination, I'd have to go with the B12 overall. Wisconsin and Iowa carried the load for that half of the conference. That's just not good enough from a division of a major conference. Overall, B12 is probably a little better than the West was. Nebraska could've helped in tipping the scale though if they weren't god awful the last decade.

Pretty sad that it's difficult to compare a division of 7 (with a majority of bad teams) to a "Power 4" conference of 16 and the larger one barely eeks out a win. Yet, here we are. It's really more like, are we comparing Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Nebraska against the whole B12 and is that enough? The thought of even trying to compare that is sad enough that it's that close. The B12 really just isn't very good collectively.

 

[AEG82]

It will be interesting. Hard to imagine ASU or ISU jumping 5-6 spots. it would likely take an upset from UNLV over Boise state.
The funny thing is even with adding eight spots somebody is still gonna complain about not making the playoff.

Yeah, someone is going to have a gripe and it'll be legitimate.

 

[littlez]

Well Boise is good. Bitch all you guys want. Played Oregon who ran through the Big Ten in Eugene and lost by 3. Only loss. UNLV is a solid team. Boise is going to give whoever they play a helluva game.

 

[AEG82]

Well Boise is good. Bitch all you guys want. Played Oregon who ran through the Big Ten in Eugene and lost by 3. Only loss. UNLV is a solid team. Boise is going to give whoever they play a helluva game.

I don't think anyone is bitching. It's just commentary. BSU will get their chance to prove everyone wrong anyway.

 

[BonzoFury]

So who should be above Bama ?

no right or wrong answer

Who should be last in?

Assuming there are no major surprises (Clemson over SMU would be the only thing that might shake it up). Who should get the last at-large slot?

iowa.forums.rivals.com

 

[ASUHawkeye]

Lane Kiffin basically said the football tiers are 1. NFL 2. SEC 3. Oregon/Osu 4. Everyone else is ****.

They get 4 teams in and have every built in advantage, the $, location, etc and will complain about a couple other teams getting in yet they made the rules.

 

[ASUHawkeye]

I don't think anyone is bitching. It's just commentary. BSU will get their chance to prove everyone wrong anyway.

They’ll likely lose but I’d rather watch Jeanty give it a shot vs a Georgia than Georgia vs ole miss for a second time.

 

[ASUHawkeye]

Well Boise is good. Bitch all you guys want. Played Oregon who ran through the Big Ten in Eugene and lost by 3. Only loss. UNLV is a solid team. Boise is going to give whoever they play a helluva game.

I get the tribalism a bit from other conferences but I won’t be rooting for Ohio State and other big ten teams in the playoff aside from Indiana. I won’t root against them either but won’t really care.

 

[littlez]

I don't think anyone is bitching. It's just commentary. BSU will get their chance to prove everyone wrong anyway.

Tons of people on this thread are bitching.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

Do what's right, put in the Army! Just won the AAC with 2 compete passes beating Tulane who was the top pick to crash the playoff party at the start of the year. Only loss was a neutral game against Notre Dame who is in the playoffs. Will probably beat Navy next week as well.

While I'm mostly joking, this was a solid team and I hope they get a big bowl game. Great to see an original blue blood have a fantastic season.

 

[Franisdaman]

It will be interesting. Hard to imagine ASU or ISU jumping 5-6 spots. it would likely take an upset from UNLV over Boise state.
The funny thing is even with adding eight spots somebody is still gonna complain about not making the playoff.

it looks like Boise State has secured a first round bye

 

[pepsicock]

Alabama would smoke Any big 12 team

South Carolina got screwed

 

[Franisdaman]

South Carolina got screwed

Ok, Pepsi, make your case to the committee