Recruiting Texas

[Muskie5]

We haven't had the best of luck recruiting Texas for a while. Yes, we found Jackson, Mansell, and Hankins, but we've have way more misses and a lot our attrition (as well as decommits) over the last 5 yrs. have been from Texas.
2013- Shimonek/gone, A.J. Jones/gone
2014- J. Jackson/he's alright, Ellis/gone
2015- Jerminic Smith/gone, Garbutt/gone, Jinning/gone, Ogwo/gone
2016- Nobody
2017- Hankins/he's alright, 4 decommits
2018- 4 offers/ no commits

Besides GD driving us crazy as a OC, it doesn't appear that his (and Kennedy's) 'texas connection' did much for us either. Is it worth spending the time and effort to recruit Texas? I think our efforts could better be spent in like St. Louis and maybe refocus on Florida again. Discuss.

 

[Fan In Black]

I think the arrittion rate is always high from states out side the B1G footprint. Especially warm weather states that have a lot of D1 football programs. We had the same problems in FLA in mid 2000s.

 

[scotthawk1964]

I think the majority of those people left because they were riding the bench and didn't want to wait for there opportunity. Shimonek, I believe had trouble going from the spread to pro set and bailed after his redshirt year. I think he could also see the writing on the wall that he wasn't going to be hitting the field anytime soon with Rudock and CJ in front of him. I hope Mansell stays patient and waits his turn.

 

[Muskie5]

I think the arrittion rate is always high from states out side the B1G footprint. Especially warm weather states that have a lot of D1 football programs. We had the same problems in FLA in mid 2000s.

I wonder if it's that bad at other schools. I'm not going to research it, but Iowa St. , Minny, etc. take a lot of players from texas and florida and I wonder how their attrition is with them.
I remember the bad run we had with Florida awhile back. I think they laid off even recruiting there much for a while.

 

[Fan In Black]

I wonder if it's that bad at other schools. I'm not going to research it, but Iowa St. , Minny, etc. take a lot of players from texas and florida and I wonder how their attrition is with them.
I remember the bad run we had with Florida awhile back. I think they laid off even recruiting there much for a while.

I think it is, but I have no proof. I just think its easy for a homesick / frustrated kid to move home and play football when they come from states with many D1 schools. I dunno. just a theory.

 

[Muskie5]

I think it is, but I have no proof. I just think its easy for a homesick / frustrated kid to move home and play football when they come from states with many D1 schools. I dunno. just a theory.

That would be my guess as well, but it would only be a guess.

 

[ichawk24]

We seem to have retention issues for any player who comes from far away, which makes sense.

LeVar Woods supposedly making inroads into recruiting the Dallas area. Hopefully it comes to fruition.

 

[m.stoops2013]

We need to focus on Florida just a few of the fla guys under Ferentz.

Abdul Hodge
Mo Brown
C.J. Jones
A.Allen
G.Mabin
M.Paschel
B.Banks
F.Barr
G.Lewis
D.Sims

 

[Harbinger273]

Not a good idea to abandon recruiting Texas by any means. There are other recruiting hotbeds to work equally. Prior mention of the STL area and Florida are completely worthy. The Atlanta metro area and Detroit need continued attention.

Besides our bread and butter midwest region including newfound success in Indy, the afore mentioned regions can't be ignored.

 

[Muskie5]

We need to focus on Florida just a few of the fla guys under Ferentz.

Abdul Hodge
Mo Brown
C.J. Jones
A.Allen
G.Mabin
M.Paschel
B.Banks
F.Barr
G.Lewis
D.Sims

You forgot the best player we got out of Florida. Jake Rudock!

 

[Muskie5]

We seem to have retention issues for any player who comes from far away, which makes sense.

LeVar Woods supposedly making inroads into recruiting the Dallas area. Hopefully it comes to fruition.

I'm not sure why that 'makes sense'. Our Detroit people don't seem to leave at such a high rate and they don't get to see their families any more than people from Texas, do they? I could be wrong. Unless you're just talking about the kids from the south who may decide they can't stand the weather.

Well, from what I could find, we only offered 4 kids from Texas and I don't think they even considered us.

 

[gonegolfing]

We need to focus on Florida just a few of the fla guys under Ferentz.

Abdul Hodge
Mo Brown
C.J. Jones
A.Allen
G.Mabin
M.Paschel
B.Banks
F.Barr
G.Lewis
D.Sims

Florida is much harder to recruit now than it was a few years ago.

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

Florida is much harder to recruit now than it was a few years ago.

This x1000001. Look at the coaches and teams at the nontraditional powers in FL. That state is talent rich but the UCF'S, FAU,USF ect. are gettIng better because of it.

 

[BirdistheWord]

anthony gair
damon bullock
jacob hillyer

 

[Muskie5]

anthony gair
damon bullock
jacob hillyer

??? I think I said since 2013. They were recruited prior to that.

 

[ichawk24]

I'm not sure why that 'makes sense'. Our Detroit people don't seem to leave at such a high rate and they don't get to see their families any more than people from Texas, do they?

Texas is twice as far away as Detroit. I think distance matters.

 

[Muskie5]

Texas is twice as far away as Detroit. I think distance matters.

I think it depends on if you ask a man or a woman....

 

[DodgerHawki]

Not a good idea to abandon recruiting Texas by any means. There are other recruiting hotbeds to work equally. Prior mention of the STL area and Florida are completely worthy. The Atlanta metro area and Detroit need continued attention.

Besides our bread and butter midwest region including newfound success in Indy, the afore mentioned regions can't be ignored.

I don't think Iowa is "abandoning" anywhere. They go where they think they can get players. At times, Iowa has been in Texas or Florida or Missouri or Ohio more than others due to a new assistant coach or hitting where the in-state school is going through transition. Iowa got Creamer out of Georgia last year, which came after Iowa invested lots of time and effort in the area. Indiana looks good for the 2018-19 classes for Iowa, coincidentally when Indiana and Purdue were going through coaching changes. 3 guys from Wisconsin in the 2018 class, timed with Polasek becoming an assistant. And Iowa has a good track record of getting guys from Ohio and Michigan that the Buckeyes and Wolverines weren't offering. Plucked a few out of Nebraska when Pelini and Riley made weird decision not to recruit Nebraska players for the most part. I like that Iowa got Terry Roberts from Erie, PA, that state was good to Iowa early in KF's career with Sanders, Hinkle and Jeremiah Hunter to name a few.

 

[m.stoops2013]

This x1000001. Look at the coaches and teams at the nontraditional powers in FL. That state is talent rich but the UCF'S, FAU,USF ect. are gettIng better because of it.

Well then they need to

 

[katman15]

Iowa State can have more success there because they play games in that state thus it's easier to sell to their family that they will be able to see their son more often because there is less travel involved.

 

[OutbackBowl2017]

All the top teams in the B1G recruit players far away and have success so if they can do it, Iowa can too.

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

Agreed. In today's world every D1 team recruits nationally. Some may have an advantage of talent near them but thier is plenty of talent to be had.

 

[HawkIDrummer]

I think the arrittion rate is always high from states out side the B1G footprint. Especially warm weather states that have a lot of D1 football programs. We had the same problems in FLA in mid 2000s.

Yes, the further from home...the more likely they are to leave. These are still 18-19 year old college kids, for some a big move is tough.

 

[ichawk24]

At times, Iowa has been in Texas or Florida or Missouri or Ohio more than others due to a new assistant coach or hitting where the in-state school is going through transition.

Fans underrate how important the coaches' social reach or recruiting connections are to an area. It is hard to just decide to recruit FLA if no one on your staff already has good ties to the region. I think Iowa's ebbs and flows in some locations is due to the changing skill set of our staff.

 

[HawkTex]

We haven't had the best of luck recruiting Texas for a while. Yes, we found Jackson, Mansell, and Hankins, but we've have way more misses and a lot our attrition (as well as decommits) over the last 5 yrs. have been from Texas.
2013- Shimonek/gone, A.J. Jones/gone
2014- J. Jackson/he's alright, Ellis/gone
2015- Jerminic Smith/gone, Garbutt/gone, Jinning/gone, Ogwo/gone
2016- Nobody
2017- Hankins/he's alright, 4 decommits
2018- 4 offers/ no commits

Besides GD driving us crazy as a OC, it doesn't appear that his (and Kennedy's) 'texas connection' did much for us either. Is it worth spending the time and effort to recruit Texas? I think our efforts could better be spent in like St. Louis and maybe refocus on Florida again. Discuss.

So far the Hawks have washed out in St. Louis.

 

[Muskie5]

So far the Hawks have washed out in St. Louis.

I know, right! That's why I would prefer they put more of an emphasis on working that market than Texas. Tons of talent there (and a some of our best players ever are from there, Kirksey, McNutt, Clayborne, etc.) and we are close enough that their families can see them and they shouldn't get homesick.

 

[RogerKint]

For some reason I thought Clayborne was from Missouri?

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

For some reason I thought Clayborne was from Missouri?

He is, St. Louis.

It's Clayborn BTW.

 

[RogerKint]

Thought so. Thank you.

 

[Muskie5]

For some reason I thought Clayborne was from Missouri?

Did you not understand my post? I was talking about working the St. Louis area harder than Texas and that we've had some of our best players come from St. Louis. Clayborne went to Webster Grove.

 

[RogerKint]

Did you not understand my post? I was talking about working the St. Louis area harder than Texas and that we've had some of our best players come from St. Louis. Clayborne went to Webster Grove.

Got it.

 

[kcgolfer]

You need to recruit where the players are period. Worry about retention when you have to but get them to Iowa City. I think Kirk doesn't want to put in the effort in places like Texas and Florida, but, everyone else does.

 

[Muskie5]

You need to recruit where the players are period. Worry about retention when you have to but get them to Iowa City. I think Kirk doesn't want to put in the effort in places like Texas and Florida, but, everyone else does.

I don't think we want any players that are 'period'. Sounds messy. Punctuation is our friend, lol.
I don't know what Kirk's philosophy on Florida and Texas are. It would be interesting to know.
A HS coach I used to coach with in the QC's is coaching in Huntsville TX just north of Houston. They have quite a few D1 prospects every year and this coach would try to push kids to Iowa if Iowa would show any interest. I called Bell and Tyler Barnes and gave them this coaches name and the name of a rising DL kid at the school. They have never contacted this coach. It would seem if you could get an 'in' somewhere you would take advantage of it. This coach I'm talking about was a coach in Belton TX before that when Mansell was in middle school.

 

[DodgerHawki]

I don't think we want any players that are 'period'. Sounds messy. Punctuation is our friend, lol.
I don't know what Kirk's philosophy on Florida and Texas are. It would be interesting to know.
A HS coach I used to coach with in the QC's is coaching in Huntsville TX just north of Houston. They have quite a few D1 prospects every year and this coach would try to push kids to Iowa if Iowa would show any interest. I called Bell and Tyler Barnes and gave them this coaches name and the name of a rising DL kid at the school. They have never contacted this coach. It would seem if you could get an 'in' somewhere you would take advantage of it. This coach I'm talking about was a coach in Belton TX before that when Mansell was in middle school.

What philosophy is Iowa supposed to have about certain states? From looking at our roster, it looks like Iowa will take good players wherever they can get them. They do have to prioritize, and my guess is they do some analysis on the attrition rate of players from certain areas and let that guide their prioritization. But it's not as simple as just flooding the state of Texas with all of our assistants. Would that get a measurable return? And would it be a good tradeoff for players missed out on by not going to other states?

I don't know the answer to those questions, I just know that they have to prioritize.

 

[cocoem]

I wonder if it's that bad at other schools. I'm not going to research it, but Iowa St. , Minny, etc. take a lot of players from texas and florida and I wonder how their attrition is with them.
I remember the bad run we had with Florida awhile back. I think they laid off even recruiting there much for a while.

Just as bad.....A ton of transfers everywhere

 

[BirdistheWord]

??? I think I said since 2013. They were recruited prior to that.

True, I thought 2013 was arbitrary and was just pointing out some decent players from TX slightly ahead of your time window (around 2011/12).
I live in the Dallas area and there is a lot of talent just in the metroplex alone. While the weather is very mild here + hot summers, it can occasaionally get pretty cold (North Texas anyway), I do feel that weather is less of a factor for kids vs coming from Florida (generalizing of course). It is very B12 and SEC centric here so B1G is not as top of mind.