Good thing there are Dr. Kings and Rosa Parks out there willing to endure the handcuffs in return for a greater good.
Rosa Parks was a prop.
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Good thing there are Dr. Kings and Rosa Parks out there willing to endure the handcuffs in return for a greater good.
More than anything, lack of info just puts the officer and the "suspicious person" in a tough spot. Officer dispatched for "suspicious" person walking in the neighborhood, but no other info. What does the cop have? He doesn't even know what to ask about.....there's nothing illegal about being in that neighborhood.
It's much more helpful if the person calling in gives something more concrete like jiggling door handles, looking in mailboxes, peering inside windows, etc. Then the cop can reasonably ask about the report received.
I was talking about you and YOUR principles...such as they are.Yeah,... This guy is just like Martin Luther King & Rosa Parks sticking it to the man.... wow.
Who gives a shit? The officer still has an obligation to determine if he was soliciting or not. Are you saying the dude has a right to go onto others private property without permission?
And? That's kind of the nature of civil disobedience.Rosa Parks was a prop.
um, I don't think you understand that soliciting means both.I'm not sure how much more plainly this can be stated. He. Wasn't. Soliciting. A No Solicitation sign doesn't preclude campaign workers or religious people from knocking on your door. Why? They. Aren't. Soliciting.
Terry applies to stops in motor vehicles. It doesn't apply here. If you're stopped in your car, a reasonable suspicion for your detention has already been established...supposedly. You were speeding. You made an illegal turn. You crossed the center line multiple times (that one's a favorite). Your "decent start" fails.
What you're advocating is to give LEO's the right to pull you over just for the heck of it and requiring that you respond. Just out of curiosity...how many times would you be ok with a police officer pulling you over just to ask for your name?
um, I don't think you understand that soliciting means both.
i did but that's not the argument we're having. I am talking about the supreme court ruling that he says covers all scenerios/times/locations.Somebody has already posted WDM's solicitation law, have you even bothered to read it before making these posts?
WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF NEWum, I don't think you understand that soliciting means both.
No it isn't. That's not the argument at all. Not even remotely.i did but that's not the argument we're having. I am talking about the supreme court ruling that he says covers all scenerios/times/locations.
Good point. Thanks.Just to quibble because the thread has gone stale. Speeding and illegal turn, and likely crossing center line are all "probable cause" stops, not reasonable suspicion or terry stops.
Your second paragraph has it right. Scenario: Black lincoln drives through neighborhood, neighbor calls police and reports simply, "this black lincoln looks suspicious, and doesn't belong to any of my neighbors." In this scenario, the 4th would unequivocally bar the stopping of that vehicle without other cause or suspicion. Some posters (mattski) advocate that the call and the dispatch somehow either create or corroborate the necessary suspicion, which is absurd.
They (WDM PD) waited a LONG time before they released the vest cam vid.....I never saw it on the local news until yesterday (Monday). And I watch a lot of local news....Uh, they did. I saw it early last week.
Mikey...I observe what I observe...and look at the numbers and YOU make your own judgement. You get out past 19th St. and WDM is not what WDM east of 19th is. Back in the day WDM (Valley Junction) was very middle class, union, railroad based economically. Today is not your grandmother's Valley Junction. The freeway (and Iowa Reality/Bill Knapp) changed those days forever.So, WDM residents are basically all racists. Non White people are just not good enough to live in upper scale WDM.
What a sad world you live in
They (WDM PD) waited a LONG time before they released the vest cam vid.....I never saw it on the local news until yesterday (Monday). And I watch a lot of local news....
If I was God, I would have released this video as soon as the perp released his phone cam....and then let the local news folks decide which story they were gonna feature. But again...this starts to wander off what the issue might (or might not) be here.
Again you are wrong. That case will not be broadly applied to every instance. That was the point of the paragraph from a first amendment website.
That case wouldn't survive a challenge? It was the Supreme Court that issued the finding. Where are you going to challenge it? I'm not arguing that a locality can't limit the time someone can knock on your door. That has not a thing to do with the case here. Mr. Hill's activity CAN NOT be restricted as solicitation...he is protected by the First Amendment, as are Jehovah's Witnesses and activists espousing political views. The one concession is that a No Solicitation sign can...theoretically...limit him but it wan't part of the challenge in the Stratton case and the ACLU says it would be problematic to challenge it. Not that it matters...it has no bearing on Mr. Hill's activity.Again you are wrong. That case will not be broadly applied to every instance. That was the point of the paragraph from a first amendment website.
That case, according to the site, would not likely survive a challenge based on time and signage on private property.