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Report: A minimum-wage worker can't afford a 2-bedroom apartment anywhere in the U.S.

Would you also imagine that if the minimum wage was increased to $15/hr that rent, price of groceries, etc, would all be going up too?
It probably would. But at the same time, workers would be making more, have more to spend, causing more demand, which would lead to more goods and services sold, and more create more jobs. The end result would be more business for the owners and higher wages for the workers. That's a win win, IMO.

And for clarification I have no idea if $15 is the sweet spot. I'm just arguing that if you can find this sweet spot, this would be the result.
 
It probably would. But at the same time, workers would be making more, have more to spend, causing more demand, which would lead to more goods and services sold, and more create more jobs. The end result would be more business for the owners and higher wages for the workers. That's a win win, IMO.

And for clarification I have no idea if $15 is the sweet spot. I'm just arguing that if you can find this sweet spot, this would be the result.

If they had more to spend then why are we raising their wage to be able to afford rent?
 
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A person making 27k per year shouldn't be having kids. A person making minimim wage shouldn't be living in a 2 br apartment.

Personal responsibility is a wonderful thing. Blaming people for your problems isn't
I don't know if we want to get into limiting reproductive rights based on income. But even if we do, wouldn't you then need to give poor people access to family planning clinics, then?
 
It probably would. But at the same time, workers would be making more, have more to spend, causing more demand, which would lead to more goods and services sold, and more create more jobs. The end result would be more business for the owners and higher wages for the workers. That's a win win, IMO.

And for clarification I have no idea if $15 is the sweet spot. I'm just arguing that if you can find this sweet spot, this would be the result.

The "market" has a much better chance of finding this "sweet spot" than does the government. Right now, in Iowa City, with an official minimum wage of $7.75 or something like that...every single job that I know of is starting people at least $2/hr higher than that. Arby's, Wal-Mart, Menard's, etc, all have signs out to this effect.
 
Many minimum wage jobs are not easy at all. I'm all for spreading the wealth around.

That being said, people should not be having children unless they're making like 100k.
Minimum or close to minimum wage jobs are often the most physically difficult. People making those wages are often doing so because they don't have the education or skill to do something else. Many times the jobs are filled by young mothers who didn't finish their education because of an unplanned pregnancy. Republican policies often contribute to young women becoming parents before they're ready. Defunding Planned Parenthood takes away family planning options such as birth control and for some abortions. Many times once the child is born the parent would be better off not working and relying on government assistance rather than paying for child care while working for the minimum wage.
 
Minimum or close to minimum wage jobs are often the most physically difficult. People making those wages are often doing so because they don't have the education or skill to do something else. Many times the jobs are filled by young mothers who didn't finish their education because of an unplanned pregnancy. Republican policies often contribute to young women becoming parents before they're ready. Defunding Planned Parenthood takes away family planning options such as birth control and for some abortions. Many times once the child is born the parent would be better off not working and relying on government assistance rather than paying for child care while working for the minimum wage.

Wow! What actually contributes to some young women, and men, becoming parents before they are ready is that they are having sex. Ain't no Repubber's making them do the deed before their time. Start at the source and expect people to take responsibility for themselves. Any other "plan" is foolhardy and guaranteed to fail at some level.
 
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A watched a CNN video about a woman that makes $7.50/hr. They list her annual income as $6240/yr. This is disingenuous at best, as a standard work year is 2080 hrs ($15,600/yr).

She gets $216/ mo SNAP.
$125/mo housing assistance
Daycare for $10/wk (where I live, daycare is close to $700-$1000/mo)
Medicaid (mostly free healthcare)

So close to $1000/mo in benefits (not counting Medicaid). If she works full time and no benefits are lost, that is close to $27,600/yr or $13.27/hr.

I'm sure it sucks to be poor, but the benefits seem to take away the incentive to work for a better job.
Unfortunately, no it isn't. I used to work with a government apartments program. A lot of them are filled with people just like the lady you described. They don't work full time nor are they looking for full time work. In fact, most of them know exactly how much they can work and still collect maximum benefits. In our program they could pay no more than a third of their income towards housing. So if the rent for that apartment was $450 a month, she would pay $150 per month and the government would cover the remaining $300. Add in all the other safety net benefits and they live pretty comfortably.

Living comfortably does not mean they are living a great life but their basic necessities are met. They have enough food to eat, have a decent apartment to live in, and healthcare is pretty much free.
 
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I don't know if we want to get into limiting reproductive rights based on income. But even if we do, wouldn't you then need to give poor people access to family planning clinics, then?
I'm not limiting anybody's rights to do anything. Just don't complain when you are single with a shitty job and decide to pop out kids
 
The economy’s booming. Some states have raised minimum wages. But even with recent wage growth for the lowest-paid workers, there is still nowhere in the country where someone working a full-time minimum-wage job could afford to rent a modest two-bedroom apartment, according to an annual report released Wednesday by the National Low Income Housing Coalition.

Not even in Arkansas, the state with the cheapest housing in the country. One would need to earn $13.84 an hour — about $29,000 a year — to afford a two-bedroom apartment there. The minimum wage in Arkansas is $8.50 an hour.

Even the $15 living wage championed by Democrats would not make a dent in the vast majority of states.

In Hawaii, the state with the most expensive housing, one would have to make $36.13 — about $75,000 a year — to afford a decent two-bedroom apartment. The minimum wage in Hawaii rose to $10.10 an hour this year.

It gets worse in many metropolitan areas. San Francisco, Marin and San Mateo counties top the list of most expensive jurisdictions, where one would need to make $60.02 an hour to afford a modest two-bedroom apartment.

“The housing crisis is growing, especially for the lowest-income workers,” said Diane Yentel, president of the National Low Income Housing Coalition. “The rents are far out of reach from what the average renter is earning.”

Downsizing to a one-bedroom apartment will only help so much.

According to the report, a one-bedroom is affordable for minimum-wage workers in only 22 counties in five states: Arizona, California, Colorado, Oregon and Washington. Those states all set their minimum wages higher than the federal minimum of $7.25.

Nationally, one would have to earn $17.90 an hour to afford a modest one-bedroom apartment or $22.10 an hour for a two-bedroom rental. That’s based on the common budgeting standard of spending a maximum of 30 percent of income on housing.

The report estimates that renters nationally make an average of $16.88 an hour. That means even those making above minimum wage struggle to afford rent.



Housing costs have continued to rise with growing demand for rental housing in the decade since the Great Recession. At the same time, new rental construction has tilted toward the luxury market because of increasingly high development costs, the report said. The number of homes renting for $2,000 or more per month nearly doubled between 2005 and 2015.

“While the housing market may have recovered for many, we are nonetheless experiencing an affordable housing crisis, especially for very low-income families,” Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., said in the report.

The low-wage workforce is projected to grow over the next decade, particularly in service-sector jobs such as personal-care aides and food-preparation workers.

Meanwhile, the Trump administration has tried cutting federal housing subsidies for the lowest-income Americans. As it stands, only 1 in 4 households eligible for federal rent assistance gets any help, the report said. Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson recently proposed tripling rent for the poorest households and making it easier for housing authorities to impose work requirements on those receiving rent subsidies.

http://www.nonpareilonline.com/news...cle_1e1b6155-d3a7-57de-994b-2759455d710e.html

So the lesson to learn from this when earning minimum wage is:
A. Don’t get a 2 bedroom. Apt
B. If you do get a 2 bedroom apt, you will probably need a roommate.
C. Don’t have kids earning minimum wage and out of wedlock.
D. If you are earning minimum wage, you may want to seek more training that qualifies you for higher wages. A service like Job Corps that provides free training or a trade that pays you above minimum wage and benefits while also paying for your training.
 
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Unfortunately, no it isn't. I used to work with a government apartments program. A lot of them are filled with people just like the lady you described. They don't work full time nor are they looking for full time work. In fact, most of them know exactly how much they can work and still collect maximum benefits. In our program they could pay no more than a third of their income towards housing. So if the rent for that apartment was $450 a month, she would pay $150 per month and the government would cover the remaining $300. Add in all the other safety net benefits and they live pretty comfortably.

Living comfortably does not mean they are living a great life but their basic necessities are met. They have enough food to eat, have a decent apartment to live in, and healthcare is pretty much free.
I wouldn't exactly call living in poverty, "being comfortable," but this is beside the point. What I think we can both agree on is that the government is currently supplementing all these low paying jobs just to raise the workers to this base level you talk about. To me, this establishes that the wages aren't enough even at the minimum wage level.
 
So the lesson to learn from this when earning minimum wage is:
A. Don’t get a 2 bedroom. Apt
B. If you do get a 2 bedroom apt, you will probably need a roommate.
C. Don’t have kids earning minimum wage and out of wedlock.
D. If you are earning minimum wage, you may want to seek more training that qualifies you for higher wages. A service like Job Corps that provides free training or a trade that pays you above minimum wage and benefits while also paying for your training.
A. What if you have kids?
B. Again, what if you have kids?
C. What if you were married but got divorced?
D. So what happens to all the current minimum wage jobs then? People just stop working them?
 
Wow! What actually contributes to some young women, and men, becoming parents before they are ready is that they are having sex. Ain't no Repubber's making them do the deed before their time. Start at the source and expect people to take responsibility for themselves. Any other "plan" is foolhardy and guaranteed to fail at some level.
I assume you never had sex out of wedlock. There was an entire thread here about 1 night stands here earlier this week. Sure it would eliminate a lot of problems if no one had sex until they were ready for the consequences, but that's not reality. I would prefer our government live in the real world and make policies accordingly.
 
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Wow! What actually contributes to some young women, and men, becoming parents before they are ready is that they are having sex. Ain't no Repubber's making them do the deed before their time. Start at the source and expect people to take responsibility for themselves. Any other "plan" is foolhardy and guaranteed to fail at some level.
To be realistic, if you want to go down this route you would have to start heavily investing in family planning centers like Planned Parenthood. And I mean a huge expansion of these places. 43 million people in poverty huge.
 
I assume you never had sex out of wedlock. There was an entire thread here about 1 night stands here earlier this week. Sure it would eliminate a lot of problems if no one had sex until they were ready for the consequences, but that's not reality. I would prefer our government live in the real world and make policies accordingly.

I'd prefer to fix my own problems and not have the govt steal my money to fix others.
 
I'd prefer to fix my own problems and not have the govt steal my money to fix others.
At this point I think you and the others making similar arguments have officially exited reality.

Like it or not, but poor people have sex. Poor people have kids. Poor people get divorced. And poor people work in poor jobs. Only in a fantasy world will all of this magically end. It's great to throw out these hypothetical solutions, but at a certain point we need real solutions.
 
Just maybe people who can’t afford kids, shouldn’t have them.
Maybe people who can't afford healthcare shouldn't get sick. See how stupid this sounds when applied to different areas? Sex is a fact of life. Making babies is a fact of life. To keep claiming that the answer to all of this is for poor people to stop doing the nasty is an argument completely devoid of reality.
 
I'd prefer to fix my own problems and not have the govt steal my money to fix others.
I assume you are a man. That means if you accidentally impregnate a woman you can be forced by the courts to pay child support. The woman will be forced to carry the child in her body for 9 months. During that time if she wants to have a healthy child she will need to abstain from drinking or smoking. She will need to visit the doctor for checkups. Her body will change and she will have to go through labor and delivery. Then if she chooses to keep the child, she will be responsible for all its needs until the child turns 18.

I'm sure you would be a responsible father and be involved through the child's life, however that often isn't the case.
 
Can anyone here in Iowa provide information on a job that pays minimum wage? Even McDonalds pays $10/hour. And that is the starting wage.

I also don’t understand why someone making minimum wage thinks that they should be able to have a 2 bedroom apartment. Either get a 1 bedroom or find a roommate.

The least expensive 1 bedroom apartment in Council Bluffs is $450 per month. The government subsidizes that by $100 to $150 per month. Someone making $1160 can afford this.
 
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Maybe people who can't afford healthcare shouldn't get sick. See how stupid this sounds when applied to different areas? Sex is a fact of life. Making babies is a fact of life. To keep claiming that the answer to all of this is for poor people to stop doing the nasty is an argument completely devoid of reality.

I didn’t have kids until I was in a good financial place. Is it wrong to expect the same from others?
 
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I wouldn't exactly call living in poverty, "being comfortable," but this is beside the point. What I think we can both agree on is that the government is currently supplementing all these low paying jobs just to raise the workers to this base level you talk about. To me, this establishes that the wages aren't enough even at the minimum wage level.

Do me a favor...Spend a few weeks in India. Spend a little time in Mumbai. Then on your way home, visit the low income housing in Iowa City. Come back and report to us what comfortable is.
 
In alot of cases, this same accident keeps happening to the same people. Isn't it weird how people tend not to have children in college, yet thats when the most sex happens?
Do you have stats about not having children in college because I'm not sure it's all that uncommon? You are right though a lot of people who have children out of wedlock tend to have more than one. It's also difficult to get out of poverty once you are there especially with a child.
 
Kick out the illegals and wages will rise, substantially. Oh wait, you want their anchor babies for future votes and happily will take it when the illegals themselves vote fraudulently. You want your cake and eat it to.
 
Maybe people who can't afford healthcare shouldn't get sick. See how stupid this sounds when applied to different areas? Sex is a fact of life. Making babies is a fact of life. To keep claiming that the answer to all of this is for poor people to stop doing the nasty is an argument completely devoid of reality.

So now getting sick is a choice like having a kid?
 
Kick out the illegals and wages will rise, substantially. Oh wait, you want their anchor babies for future votes and happily will take it when the illegals themselves vote fraudulently. You want your cake and eat it to.

There is literally nothing accurate about this statement.
 
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Do you have stats about not having children in college because I'm not sure it's all that uncommon? You are right though a lot of people who have children out of wedlock tend to have more than one. It's also difficult to get out of poverty once you are there especially with a child.

I don't have stats but I knew several people that had kids in high school. I knew a lot more people in college and no of which had kids. Im guessing I am not the only one with a similar experience. My subtle point is that people in college tend to be a little smarter.
 
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