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Republican Reps Are Plotting To Expel Gaetz

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And this is rub for the Rs. If "they" expel Gaetz, the Trumpers will say the deep state did it. The MAGA wing is holding the party hostage. Yet, many supposed rational Rs on here also say McCarthy sucks. Why? Because he's doing his job.

The government was kept open because reasonable people on both sides of the aisle did what they have done almost every year of my life. They compromised. But the MAGA wing can't understand that. And even "reasonable Rs" are starting to not get it. All they want to do is own the libs.
 
And this is rub for the Rs. If "they" expel Gaetz, the Trumpers will say the deep state did it. The MAGA wing is holding the party hostage. Yet, many supposed rational Rs on here also say McCarthy sucks. Why? Because he's doing his job.

The government was kept open because reasonable people on both sides of the aisle did what they have done almost every year of my life. They compromised. But the MAGA wing can't understand that. And even "reasonable Rs" are starting to not get it. All they want to do is own the libs.

And this does however, represent one of the first times I’ve seen in years where the majority of the GOP caucus recognized their right wingers were driving them off a cliff. I don’t have a ton of hope but maybe, just maybe, McCarthy will use this as opportunity to be something more than speaker in name only.
 
And this is rub for the Rs. If "they" expel Gaetz, the Trumpers will say the deep state did it. The MAGA wing is holding the party hostage. Yet, many supposed rational Rs on here also say McCarthy sucks. Why? Because he's doing his job.

The government was kept open because reasonable people on both sides of the aisle did what they have done almost every year of my life. They compromised. But the MAGA wing can't understand that. And even "reasonable Rs" are starting to not get it. All they want to do is own the libs.
I am on Team McCarthy on this one.
Hard core Trumpies are - to me - reminiscent of those old photos of hard bitten Appalachian types who have a certain thing in their head and by God you ain’t gonna tell ‘em different, no way no how.
 
I am on Team McCarthy on this one.
Hard core Trumpies are - to me - reminiscent of those old photos of hard bitten Appalachian types who have a certain thing in their head and by God you ain’t gonna tell ‘em different, no way no how.
I thought Joes Place and Tom Paris are from Iowa.
 
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California Rep. Adam Schiff and Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz agree on at least one thing: They don’t trust Kevin McCarthy.

“I don’t know what happens to McCarthy’s speakership, but frankly the problem he’s having is we don’t trust him,” Schiff (D-Calif.) said Monday during an interview on MSNBC. “He broke his word with the president over the debt ceiling deal. His own conference doesn’t trust him.”

If Schiff’s comments sound familiar, it’s because they are. Gaetz, the Republican hardliner threatening to launch an effort to boot McCarthy from leadership, said as much during an interview on CNN Sunday.


“[The] one thing everybody has in common is that nobody trusts Kevin McCarthy,” Gaetz told CNN’s Jake Tapper.

McCarthy has brushed Gaetz’s threat aside. “If somebody wants to remove [me] because I want to be the adult in the room, go ahead and try,” McCarthy said on Saturday, adding: “If I have to risk my job for standing up for the American public, I will do that.”

But Schiff’s comments could cut the Republican leader deeper. If more than a handful of House Republicans move against the speaker, he’ll need support from Democrats to keep his gavel.

So far, Democrats don’t publicly seem keen on the idea. And Schiff, a prominent member of a caucus with a tense relationship with McCarthy, could hold sway over other members of the conference.

McCarthy and Schiff have battled over the Jan. 6 investigation, which Schiff helped lead in Congress, and McCarthy vowed to remove Schiff from the House Intelligence Committee over comments Schiff made about reporting on Hunter Biden’s laptop. The rift between the California politicians reached a head in January, when McCarthy followed through on that promise, blocking Schiff and Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.) from the panel.

“I cannot put partisan loyalty ahead of national security, and I cannot simply recognize years of service as the sole criteria for membership on this essential committee. Integrity matters more,” McCarthy wrote in a letter to House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries at the time.

On Monday, Schiff did not indicate if he would vote to remove McCarthy from his position.

“He doesn’t seem to stand for anything except the desire to hold on to the gavel. And ultimately we’ll see whether he survives,” Schiff said.

 
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California Rep. Adam Schiff and Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz agree on at least one thing: They don’t trust Kevin McCarthy.

“I don’t know what happens to McCarthy’s speakership, but frankly the problem he’s having is we don’t trust him,” Schiff (D-Calif.) said Monday during an interview on MSNBC. “He broke his word with the president over the debt ceiling deal. His own conference doesn’t trust him.”

If Schiff’s comments sound familiar, it’s because they are. Gaetz, the Republican hardliner threatening to launch an effort to boot McCarthy from leadership, said as much during an interview on CNN Sunday.


“[The] one thing everybody has in common is that nobody trusts Kevin McCarthy,” Gaetz told CNN’s Jake Tapper.

McCarthy has brushed Gaetz’s threat aside. “If somebody wants to remove [me] because I want to be the adult in the room, go ahead and try,” McCarthy said on Saturday, adding: “If I have to risk my job for standing up for the American public, I will do that.”

But Schiff’s comments could cut the Republican leader deeper. If more than a handful of House Republicans move against the speaker, he’ll need support from Democrats to keep his gavel.

So far, Democrats don’t publicly seem keen on the idea. And Schiff, a prominent member of a caucus with a tense relationship with McCarthy, could hold sway over other members of the conference.

McCarthy and Schiff have battled over the Jan. 6 investigation, which Schiff helped lead in Congress, and McCarthy vowed to remove Schiff from the House Intelligence Committee over comments Schiff made about reporting on Hunter Biden’s laptop. The rift between the California politicians reached a head in January, when McCarthy followed through on that promise, blocking Schiff and Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.) from the panel.

“I cannot put partisan loyalty ahead of national security, and I cannot simply recognize years of service as the sole criteria for membership on this essential committee. Integrity matters more,” McCarthy wrote in a letter to House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries at the time.

On Monday, Schiff did not indicate if he would vote to remove McCarthy from his position.

“He doesn’t seem to stand for anything except the desire to hold on to the gavel. And ultimately we’ll see whether he survives,” Schiff said.

Schiff is just as politically dirty as Gaetz, but is way more politically savvy. Maybe not as personally sleazy though.
 
I am on Team McCarthy on this one.
Hard core Trumpies are - to me - reminiscent of those old photos of hard bitten Appalachian types who have a certain thing in their head and by God you ain’t gonna tell ‘em different, no way no how.

As a liberal I agree with you and you're making sense. What I just don't understand is how you can feel this way and then be a desantis supporter. He has thinner skin than trump and is willing to blow anything up if his feelings are hurt. I don't even think trump is that much of a racist, he just has to act that way to keep his followers. For desantis, that guy is a racist.
 
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Schiff is just as politically dirty as Gaetz, but is way more politically savvy. Maybe not as personally sleazy though.

Schiff aside, not the least of the reasons I don’t trust McCarthy is that he hasn’t consistently been able to demonstrate that he is leading his caucus; not just that he sees which way the wind is blowing and goes that way. So promises with him are meaningless as a result because I don’t trust his ability to maneuver his caucus.
 
Schiff aside, not the least of the reasons I don’t trust McCarthy is that he hasn’t consistently been able to demonstrate that he is leading his caucus; not just that he sees which way the wind is blowing and goes that way. So promises with him are meaningless as a result because I don’t trust his ability to maneuver his caucus.
He went down to kiss the ring of the domestic terrorist leader weeks after January 6th.
 
There are many reasons to not like or trust McCarthy. His lack Of shame when flipping positions is another.

but you made it sound like I only had one issue with him. There’s quite a few.

at his core he’s a leader who can’t lead.
I wasn't insinuating anything about you in my reply so apologies there it was for whom you were discussing it with. That's the #1 issue IMO he bows to the terrorist leader.
 
The fix is let McCarthy go. The House circus will go into overdrive nuttiness. Who would want a position that would be just an anecdote in the history books. The loony Republicans would kick out any Speaker with character. And McCarthy was below sea level in character.

What a shit show. How embarrassing to be a Republican.
 
The fix is let McCarthy go The House circus will go into overdrive nuttiness. Who would want a position that would be just an anecdote in the history books. The loony Republicans would kick out any Speaker with character.

What a shit show. How embarrassing to be a Republican.
Jeffries for Speaker with 10 or so normal Republicans left with all the Dems.
 
Jeffries for Speaker with 10 or so normal Republicans left with all the Dems.

The only way the House can function. Republicans would lose too much face. Will be interesting to see if there are enough adults to make it happen. It would take some serious negotiating. This would mitigate the influence of the Freedom Caucus and get them off critical committees.

Start governing and stop this ridiculous attack politics.
 
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I am on Team McCarthy on this one.
Hard core Trumpies are - to me - reminiscent of those old photos of hard bitten Appalachian types who have a certain thing in their head and by God you ain’t gonna tell ‘em different, no way no how.
Yet the Appalachian types had (have) the greater good in mind. Not so for the drumps.
drump has always been a liar and a cheat. He has never pretended otherwise since the 80’s-90’s onward. Weirdest thing ever is the “fiscally conservative“, “strong Christian values”, “law and order“ types pledging fealty to the guy who not only lives by none of those concepts, but actively tears them down. And, he belittles those who live by those concepts.
Why have republicans been willing to bow down to his leadership?
 
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The government was kept open because reasonable people on both sides of the aisle did what they have done almost every year of my life. They compromised. But the MAGA wing can't understand that. And even "reasonable Rs" are starting to not get it. All they want to do is own the libs.
I agree.

I also think voting unanimously with Matt "Putin Stooge" Gaetz was basically a "owning the R's vote".

Now Ukraine aid is in jeopardy and I could see this house fight going on for weeks. Nobody is gonna take the job with the "one idiot can toss the speaker" clause and Matt "putin stooge" Gaetz and crew ain't gonna give that up.
 
I agree.

I also think voting unanimously with Matt "Putin Stooge" Gaetz was basically a "owning the R's vote".

Now Ukraine aid is in jeopardy and I could see this house fight going on for weeks. Nobody is gonna take the job with the "one idiot can toss the speaker" clause and Matt "putin stooge" Gaetz and crew ain't gonna give that up.
In jeopardy? It's already gone. McCarthy can't control his side so the shutdown bill contains no aid. And as far as a backroom deal goes, McCarthy is quoted as saying that he would give the Dems nothing and this was after him bashing them post shutdown deal. Dems would have to be crazy to trust a Speaker like that.
 
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In jeopardy? It's already gone. McCarthy can't control his side so the shutdown bill contains no aid. And as far as a backroom deal goes, McCarthy is quoted as saying that he would give the Dems nothing and this was after him bashing them post shutdown deal. Dems would have to be crazy to trust a Speaker like that.
Yet Republican talking heads on Fox blame the Democrats for not saving McCarthy. That's, again, what their viewers hear...it's the Democrats' fault.
 
Sometimes I think you go out of your way to pick a fight.

So, what if it's the truth? The Orange Turd leads a conspiracy to overthrow the government and it's not arguable?

He's been charged and not convicted but underlings down the chain are flipping. We have all heard the recording. Witnessess (Republicans) up the ying yang have testified and he stole stuff from the White House.

To not ASSUME guilt is naivete. The current 91 indictments and past convictions and fraudulent settlements against is enough to say his character is the issue. Not the agencies going after him as the cult, wacked out conservative press, and FASCIST CONGRESSION MEMBERS* insist.

*Jeez I hate to use this term, but it's got to this point.
 
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So, what if it's the truth? The Orange Turd leads a conspiracy to overthrow the government and it's not arguable?

He's been charged and not convicted but underlings down the chain are flipping. We have all heard the recording. Witnessess (Republicans) up the ying yang have testified and he stole stuff from the White House.

To not ASSUME guilt is naivete. The current 91 indictments and past convictions and fraudulent settlements against is enough to say his character is the issue. Not the agencies going after him as the cult, wacked out conservative press, and FASCIST CONGRESSION MEMBERS* insist.

*Jeez I hate to use this term, but it's got to this point.

I think you’re confusing me with someone defending republicans.
 
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