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Republicans say they want to put conditions on wildfire aid to California
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Requiring California to develop reasonable plans for water retention, water distribution, and brush management would not be over the top...
Water didn't have much at all to do with the outcome given available evidence.
It's not clear how exactly you deal with the hills full of brush.
Maybe if there was gross negligence.
But I don't see that. What I see is the poor decision to build in an extremely fire prone area that isn't easily controlled.
More an analogous to building in a floodplain or along a hurricane prone stretch of land.
They ran out of water at hydrants.
Goat technology.
Appears that there was gross negligence with elements of their disaster planning.
By my read neither of you do.
With respect to him, a filibuster...in the house?
With respect to you, "3-seat majority control" being sufficient to overcome a filibuster?
The use of the word "atonement" is positively grotesque.
Now to be clear, disaster relief bills are no different than any other bills in that they always come with strings attached or other sorts of legislative side deals commonly known as 'pork'. But the strings are usually germane to the relief, and honestly, if we're going to continue to build in stupid places, be they on the left coast or the right coast, maybe we ought to be thinking a little more deeply about how and what we will construct there. And for that matter, who is going to get assistance, if we're going to insist on continuing to act surprised when housing costs are stratospheric in spectacularly beautiful or incredibly convenient locations. Beyond that, let Cali be Cali, and Florida be Florida.
Now to be clear, disaster relief bills are no different than any other bills in that they always come with strings attached or other sorts of legislative side deals commonly known as 'pork'. But the strings are usually germane to the relief, and honestly, if we're going to continue to build in stupid places, be they on the left coast or the right coast, maybe we ought to be thinking a little more deeply about how and what we will construct there. And for that matter, who is going to get assistance, if we're going to insist on continuing to act surprised when housing costs are stratospheric in spectacularly beautiful or incredibly convenient locations. Beyond that, let Cali be Cali, and Florida be Florida.
Sounds like a good idea to me. We've been hearing for years people shouldn't be able to rebuild when they are in a coastal flood zone and get get whacked by a hurricane. Some wildfires are preventable, and others could be way better managed.
20% of fire-hydrants in Palisades initially because water tanks couldn't be replenished fast enough to meet usage. Another 20% or so in the other fire that used electric pumps were out because electricity was cut. (per CNN article a few days back)
In both cases they were fighting flames driven by extreme winds that urban fire fighting efforts were going to struggle against mightily.
Goats? The problem is the dense brush on the hills surrounding the city. Goats aren't going to keep this clear.
Nobody has or (has had) a solution that I've read. Goats aren't it.
Example of topography surrounding city:
This is what we're going to get... homes designed to withstand wildfires, and smarter urban planning.
(Of course stupid place to build... but that ship sailed long ago.)
Stories already showing up about homes that withstood the fires
Why did these homes survive the LA fires?
Amid the destruction some houses in Pacific Palisades and Malibu were left intact. Their fire-resistant features will be crucial to redevelopment.
That same filibuster Chuckles the clown Schumer wanted to abolish? Then after the elections changed his mind to keep it, and says the Senate must work together and across the aisle to get things done.
So too telling Florida no coastline rebuilds for destroyed homes?
That, and density.This is what we're going to get... homes designed to withstand wildfires, and smarter urban planning.
(Of course stupid place to build... but that ship sailed long ago.)
Stories already showing up about homes that withstood the fires
Why did these homes survive the LA fires?
Amid the destruction some houses in Pacific Palisades and Malibu were left intact. Their fire-resistant features will be crucial to redevelopment.www.afr.com
Does the right have any qualified experts on this topic that have suggestions on things that could be done to improve things.
Donald Trump being mad at Gavin Newsome doesn't count as a qualified expert.
Donald Trump being mad at Gavin Newsome doesn't count as a qualified expert.
Or Texas or North Carolina or Alabama or Mississippi. Yes.
Newsome being mad at Trump doesn't count as a qualified expert.
Did Newsome, the Governor of California, have ideas on how to improve things and help limit the damage?
Isn't Bonespurs the expert? Remember a few years ago when he talked about his conversation with the king of Norway and raking the forest floors. Which turned out to be a lie, because he never spoke to the king according to the king. Typical Bonespurs. But what do you expect from a convicted felon and sexual abuser... honesty?? 🤣
Different water systems. The palisades system was gravity fed; the other relied on pumps.
Newsome unlike Trump has experts on the topic that work for him and the media is saying that the experts don't think there is much more that can be reasonably done.
So find me experts who are saying this whole thing is being bungled or start providing the disaster funding we provide per usual when there is a disaster.
Yep…
A lot of this is classic “capitalism vs. common sense” warfare. The drive to earn $$ and profits often clouds reasonable judgement. Cali is unique…just currently the “soup of the day”. Land developers/speculators case dollars abs build where common sense says not to build…. The complain about “over regulation” in their industry because of their need to make a profit on their (unwise) investment…The same can be sail even here in Iowa, where houses are built on flood plains and levees built to protect these areas are not maintained “to keep tax rates low”…even Florida has problems building in flood area, infringing on wetlands and swampkands. And along unsafe areas of beach fronts… and at one time or another everyone gets caught!
Figure it out…. Pay to maintain safe guards, restrict building in these unsafe areas and understand that tax $$ is how these things are paid for eventually.
In Florida I would require elevated hurricane resistant building codes for coastal areas...
Newsome has “experts” on the topic who represent a certain viewpoint.
Can't wait for California to tell Hollywood they can't build along the ocean anymore. Lol!
Hollywood will turn on the dems in a heartbeat.
