Absolutely along with flood insurance. But honestly it’s important to note that some of these oceanfront properties are owned by very wealthy individuals who pay all cash and then self insure.
Republicans say they want to put conditions on wildfire aid to California
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At this point only the ultra wealthy will have deep enough pockets to populate these coastal areas...
This is already the case. At least in Florida.
What is wrong about stating that if the Government is going to give you billions of dollars, demanding answers to how things will change to make sure this doesn’t happen again? California can’t account for the billions of dollars they already spend in their programs. It’s common sense!
Coastal California is pretty much the same,.. For those needing insurance but hanging on without it, the clock is ticking and they are merely rolling the dice....
So you think a municipal water system should be designed to handle, say, 500 wind driven single-family structure fires at once? And if so, do you understand the volume and pressure of the water needed for that? If the water system was designed for that, which is impossible, do you understand the manpower that would be needed for to handle that? Tha mount of fire engines needed? You know all of this? The amount of SCBA bottles? Feet of hoseline? You understand all of this. Because, as I'm sure you know, water does not just come out of the fire hydrants onto the fire on its own.
I don't think there is political viewpoints when it comes to preventing wildfires.
This is just a hit job aimed at a blue state for not supporting dear leader.
Because the strings are only attached by red governments to disasters in blue states?
Are we gonna apply the same standards and criteria to red states like Florida and Texas ;even Iowa)? Hurricanes, floods (levee maintained)?, tornados, cold spells …. Or is this just a dog-pile on red California and Governor Newsome?
Apply standards?, yes,... Will they be the same standards?, no,.. Different disaster conditions require different standards.
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Embers were blown 4-5 miles by the 100mph winds. Explain to me how goats would fix that. Please be detailed in your answer.
Listen to what the chief says at the 6 minute mark before you experts comment further.
Really makes it clear that some of the posters on here truly are garbage.
But they know cause people on Twitter said so. And California is blue so they have to be right.
How dumb are you? 500 homes didn't catch fire at the same time. If they had water to put out some of the first homes on fire the entire disaster could have been mitigated. When a whole block goes up in flames it always starts at one point and spreads.
H2O coming out of a fire hydrant instead of nothing will put a fire out.
You're an idiot.
These areas were developed long effort Newsome. Why are you so bound and determined to point the finger at Democrats? Local politics political parties have very little to do with what gets done or what areas get developed. Local politics is mostly power and $$… and that comes in spite of party affiliation.
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Just stop. All of this is made up. You take a once in forever event and blame democrats because they didn’t plan for it. The tanks ran dry in areas where pressure tanks ran out of water and couldn’t be restocked. I do this shit for a living. You mean fire enhancing stuff like houses? Every disaster response has mistakes made. Every one.
It doesn’t matter where it is, you find a way to criticize democrats. You’re the worst type of partisan hack. Congrats.
Omg. You are an absolute lost cause and I hope your mother doesn't regret you.
Did you maybe one day take a community college fire science class? Watch Chicago Fire? LIFO?
Yes putting wet stuff on the red stuff works except when the BTUs produced by the pyrolysis are so high that it overwhelms that available waters ability to absorb the heat energy and be converted to steam. But it sounds like you know what you're talking about. Since you explained it so eloquently.
Please use some critical thinking skills as to how fire might spread during a 60-80mph wind event. And also please understand that that situation could happen anywhere with similar conditions.
How much overbuilt infrastructure should be built? Should every town in the United States overbuild to protect against a fire driven by winds like this?
Some homeowners fought the fire with a simple garden hose and won, some did not.
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Clearing brush and dead timber is a proactive way of preventing these disasters, Newsom and his ilk stopped this practice.
Or afford meds or any other type of healthcare. Oligarchies work like that. They will own everything and have most powerful military in the world to protect it.
That would make sense if the fires were all burning together. But they're not. The Palisades fire and the Scout fire in Riverside are almost 100 miles apart from each other. The Palisades fire and the Eaten fire in Pasadena are nearly 60 miles away from each other.
To claim that the LA fires all started on one block, in one neighborhood, is incorrect. Also very naive.
Shocker.
Except that California has the fifth (5th) largest economy in the world, and subsidizes the rest of the country.
You're welcome.
The size of California has nothing to do with how bad they are at managing money/fires.
Except you made the claim that CA dems are "incapable of good fiscal management," yet Cali's economy is number one, and by far the largest contributor of the states.
Swing and a miss.
Yes and that statement was correct. Dems are terrible at money management. Just look at that 24 billion dollars that evaporated on homeless spending as homelessness exploded in the state.
The economy of California is indeed #1 of the 50 states but I believe it’s because of the hard working innovative citizens there.
But sadly they continue to put their faith in ultra progressive governance leaders who are not good stewards of the revenue they’re given.
It’s as if the people of Cali are busy working and just throw up their hands and say “whatever, I need to get to the office”.
FWIW we were very impressed by the work ethic we saw when we lived there. But they’ve been sort of living in a bubble out there on the edge of the country.
Bottom line it’s a good idea if they stop trying to ward off climate change and start investigating implementation of policies that help lessen the impact of climate change. And there is a difference. Cause it’s still going to happen.
I’m not going to trash Californians right now. They’re trying to survive a horrible tragedy.
I agree with a lot of that. We also pay higher taxes in EVERYTHING out here, and I'm not a fan of that at all. In fact, there are a lot of policy choices made here that I don't agree with. I think some of the criticism about land management was pertinent as it related to other major fires in California, specifically the fires taking place on state AND federal forestlands. These fires are altogether different in origin, scope and containability. When politicians and posters on this platform politicize it for their own gain, that's when I have a problem.
Like it or not, California has always been progressive in terms of setting environmental standards. This was true before the term "climate change" was even a thing. The environmental quality act, the clean water act, catalytic converters, automobile engine standards, all examples of things that started in California. And none of them were popular upon implementation. When I lived in LA in the 90s, there was a visible, defined layer of smog hovering over then entire SF Valley, City of LA, on down to Orange County. It's not there anymore because of the clean air standards we've put in place. That cost money. People don't self govern for such things. It's what goes along with being one of the largest polluters. It needs to be governed.
My point is, the issues we face as it relates to fighting fires are a lot more complex than the fact that we're a blue state.
