What if that "better school" is full?Right. That's why they soon won't have to move anymore to have access to a better school.
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What if that "better school" is full?Right. That's why they soon won't have to move anymore to have access to a better school.
Pick the next best choice.What if that "better school" is full?
So there we go - it's not school choice by the student/parents. Thanks for admitting that.Pick the next best choice.
Not if there's no 2nd choice. There will be many cases where there is one top school to go to and it won't be able to accommodate everyone who wants to attend. You've already said you wouldn't support a lottery to decide who gets the slots which would be the only fair way to do it.Are you an idiot? A 2nd choice is a choice.
Fall begins on 9/21 and ends on 12/21 every year (give or take a day). You've spun around so much on this you've gone brain dead.
We were talking year not day, nice try.Fall begins on 9/21 and ends on 12/21 every year (give or take a day). You've spun around so much on this you've gone brain dead.
No "we" weren't. I was talking specifically about the days defining fall.We were talking year not day, nice try.
Public (tax supported) schools are never full! So "full" schools will exist no more in their tax supported private school world.What if that "better school" is full?
Hey man, those sexual abuse settlements aren’t going to pay themselves.Lol so these Catholic schools which already existed raised their tuition, I'm guessing by an amount closer to the amount of the vouchers rather than inflation, and then have used the extra revenue to do maintenance with tax dollars on their parish operations (while paying no taxes on donations they receive)? There's at least some kind of karma there with Indiana's Klan history
I never said I wouldn’t support a lottery if needed. Please post the quote.Not if there's no 2nd choice. There will be many cases where there is one top school to go to and it won't be able to accommodate everyone who wants to attend. You've already said you wouldn't support a lottery to decide who gets the slots which would be the only fair way to do it.
Another coming problem is the elimination of State income taxes on retirement income.State of Iowa collects income taxes and its counties collect property taxes levied on real estate. Public schools are funded by a combination of these (oversimplification but basically how it works). I'm suggesting increasing the funding from the state to school districts that are struggling. I know, radical when compared with vouchers.
And I didn't use the word "never". Just another one of your misrepresentations to go along with the lies you've spewed.I never said I wouldn’t support a lottery if needed. Please post the quote.
Unless you are lying again.
Post the quote if you aren’t a liar.And I didn't use the word "never". Just another one of your misrepresentations to go along with the lies you've spewed.
Are you denying that when presented with the lottery idea you ignored it and proposed, of all things, "first come first serve"?Post the quote if you aren’t a liar.
Okay, let’s open this up to all states then. You go find a verifiable success from a statewide school voucher system. Just one will suffice. Once you deliver that I will share with you the rather long list of failed/failing and fraudulent outcomes from these voucher systems.I was just told that other states don’t matter in this thread so keep Indiana out of this.
ALEC? ALEC and the Koch Bros. involved in this? Say it isn't so! ALEC is an unAmerican anti-American pro business corporation that pushes the interest and rights of business and corporations at the expense of the individual's Constitutional rights. These guys are bad ones, boyz!Okay, let’s open this up to all states then. You go find a verifiable success from a statewide school voucher system. Just one will suffice. Once you deliver that I will share with you the rather long list of failed/failing and fraudulent outcomes from these voucher systems.
At the end of the day, it’s unconstitutional to give public funding to private schools. It’s a synchronized, coordinated national scam being pushed by ALEC, the Koch bros and other monied interests who are very adept at filling their personal bank accounts with other people’s money, all based upon the false premise of helping poor kids trapped in failing schools. Don’t be a dumb rube.
So, you lied.Are you denying that when presented with the lottery idea you ignored it and proposed, of all things, "first come first serve"?
And GFY - you've lied multiple times just in this thread you piece of shit.
No - you're confused again. You lied, multiple times.So, you lied.
And you don't have a problem with lying.I wouldn’t have a problem with a lottery, if needed.
Governments function is to GOVERN, not organize "rule by lottery".......Even Terry Branstad stated this....his "govenment's job is not to pick winners and losers" is perhaps the most honest statement he ever made as Governor....and probably js his most broken promise made as Governor. (Terry was a MASTER at speaking out of BOTH sides of his mouth)I wouldn’t have a problem with a lottery, if needed.
I won’t benefit from this proposal. But, I do think educational credits should go to the family to make the best decision for their family.It's hilarious when you think it's Pinehawk going for this bullshit. He wants handouts at a relatively (for Iowa) affluent private school (Regina) in a town with famously good public schools.
Of course they are. It doesn’t take a keen detective to figure out that this bullcrap is coming from a common source. Most state legislators are so dumb they can’t even sign their own name. That’s a perfect environment for these unAmerican legislative interest groups to push their cut and paste legislation to undermine one of the greatest things in our country, our public school systems.ALEC? ALEC and the Koch Bros. involved in this? Say it isn't so! ALEC is an unAmerican anti-American pro business corporation that pushes the interest and rights of business and corporations at the expense of the individual's Constitutional rights. These guys are bad ones, boyz!
That's not how it's going to work and you pretending otherwise doesn't protect your imaginary moral high ground.I won’t benefit from this proposal. But, I do think educational credits should go to the family to make the best decision for their family.
Not be locked into attending a poor school just to protect the existing funding system.
WTF? If this goes through you get your tuition subsidized. At least be honest about that.I won’t benefit from this proposal. But, I do think educational credits should go to the family to make the best decision for their family.
Not be locked into attending a poor school just to protect the existing funding system.
Correct...a steak dinner, a free drink, a blow job and a free round of golf makes the world of politics go 'round at the state and more local levels. At least doctors insist on being wined and dined in warm weather resorts in the dead of winter, if their interests are to be compromised.Of course they are. It doesn’t take a keen detective to figure out that this bullcrap is coming from a common source. Most state legislators are so dumb they can’t even sign their own name. That’s a perfect environment for these unAmerican legislative interest groups to push their cut and paste legislation to undermine one of the greatest things in our country, our public school systems.
Answer the question or keep quiet. No deflections required.Rich people make under $125K?
As a CPA , absolutely yes. It all comes down to how much you spend vs your income, and then do you invest or does your wealth grow. If you spend 50k a year and make 125k, plus taxes of 10k, net wealth creation of 65k a yr. In 20 years you would have 2.4 million dollars and rate of return of 6% per a year. I have seen ample individuals who make tons of money and have nothing to show for it, and those who in general do not make much annually but have saved, and invested and done really really well.Answer the question or keep quiet. No deflections required.
This doesn't address the problem. If there is a teacher or school underperforming this should be addressed. Taking funding away doesn't do that and likely only exacerbates the issues at the school in question. Teachers need to be paid more, schools need more funding/resources and the students in the schools who create issues should face consequences... and if it comes to it be removed so those there to learn can do so without distraction and teachers can feel safe and do their job.I won’t benefit from this proposal. But, I do think educational credits should go to the family to make the best decision for their family.
Not be locked into attending a poor school just to protect the existing funding system.
they have choices now.Are you an idiot? A 2nd choice is a choice.
You need to define what you mean by "rich people" before it can be answered you stupid ****.Answer the question or keep quiet. No deflections required.
Gotta give DeAngelis credit…he is grifting the shit outta school choice.