Rule on Flagrant Review

[seseroy]

Hmmm, is the ball considered "live" when it goes through the hoop to score one point on a free throw? No review should have even been allowed. Guess the 10 minute discussion among those morons was not about the rulebook...

"When the ball becomes live,
there shall be no review of the made call"�



1�
After a call has been made, determine if a flagrant personal foul or
a flagrant 2 contact technical foul or a contact dead ball technical
foul
occurred� When it is determined that a flagrant personal or
flagrant 2 contact technical foul did not occur but a contact dead
ball technical foul or common foul did occur, those fouls shall
be penalized accordingly
� However, no other infractions may be
penalized� When the review discloses, by indisputable evidence,
that there was no foul, the foul call shall be reversed with no foul
charged�
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When there is a foul called for contact, the officials, with a
plausible reason, may review the severity of that foul during the
dead ball period following the call� When the ball becomes live,
there shall be no review of the made call�

 

[Rifler]

The ball was live the moment Jok put up his first free throw....

 

[SSG T]

Section 1. Live Ball
Art. 1. The game and each period start when the ball becomes live.
Art. 2. The ball shall become live when:
a. On a jump ball, the ball leaves the official’s hand.
b. On a throw-in, the ball is at the disposal of the thrower-in.
c. On a free throw, the ball is at the disposal of the free-thrower.

Once Jok shot his first FT, they could no longer review.

 

[terrehawk]

Is that considered live since it's a two-shot foul?

Edited. Looks like somebody answered the question

 

[War Hawkeye]

I don't get how you could call that flagrant anyway, unless you call any and every elbow near the head a flagrant. I thought it was pretty obvious that Jok was trying to put a swim move on him to get inside position, but was being held (shocker right?) around the waste so the elbow came close to his head. I'm not even sure that his elbow made contact with this head.

 

[HawkLogic]

They really should have a flagrant hold rule. I wouldn't be surprised if Jok semi intentionally hit him in face, but the Wisconsin guy had his arm around Jok's waist. It is that kind of dirty, win at all cost play that gets tempers flaring. There is supposed to be freedom of movement and that wasn't being called.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

I thought the crew botched it TWO ways. 1. After Jok shot the FT it was no longer reviewable. For cryin out loud after doing that it wouldn't surprise me if the crew went back to review some call earlier in the game after the final buzzer!!!!!!! 2. Like War Hawkeyes said. I think he missed him with the elbow!

 

[large78]

Section 1. Live Ball
Art. 1. The game and each period start when the ball becomes live.
Art. 2. The ball shall become live when:
a. On a jump ball, the ball leaves the official’s hand.
b. On a throw-in, the ball is at the disposal of the thrower-in.
c. On a free throw, the ball is at the disposal of the free-thrower.

Once Jok shot his first FT, they could no longer review.

Just wondering, where did you find this rule? Under the new rule book, it now falls under a correctable error situation. I bleed black and gold, but just wanted to correct you in your error.

 

[MepoDawg#]

Just wondering, where did you find this rule? Under the new rule book, it now falls under a correctable error situation. I bleed black and gold, but just wanted to correct you in your error.

Nothing changes the point that it wasn't worthy of a flagrant foul. He was doing a swim move and may have made contact because of being wrapped up around the waist, you know the original foul call. I think that was the second or third foul on someone for holding Jok.

 

[SSG T]

Just wondering, where did you find this rule? Under the new rule book, it now falls under a correctable error situation. I bleed black and gold, but just wanted to correct you in your error.

NCAA 2017 Rule Book (free download at the link)
https://www.ncaapublications.com/p-...ens-basketball-rules-and-interpretations.aspx

Rule 6 covers Live Ball/Dead Ball
Rule 11 covers Instant Replay

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

They really should have a flagrant hold rule. I wouldn't be surprised if Jok semi intentionally hit him in face, but the Wisconsin guy had his arm around Jok's waist. It is that kind of dirty, win at all cost play that gets tempers flaring. There is supposed to be freedom of movement and that wasn't being called.

Iowa has been nailed for this several times in the past few years. We have had players to begin committing a foul only to "wrap up" the opponent to keep them from falling or having more contact and it has been deemed flagrant. I have only seen it called against us, though (to be fair this is probably 70% of the games I watch, so there is some confirmation bias there).

The one that sticks out in my mind was Olaseni his senior year early in the season, wrapped up someone going to the rim and was given a Flagrant 1.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Thanks for posting. I thought possible reviews were nullified when play resumed, but wasn't sure. The Hawks sure seem to get the short end of really weird officiating decisions. Glad that this one didn't cost us a win, like the Minny game.

 

[SSG T]

NCAA 2017 Rule Book (free download at the link)
https://www.ncaapublications.com/p-...ens-basketball-rules-and-interpretations.aspx

Rule 6 covers Live Ball/Dead Ball
Rule 11 covers Instant Replay

Oh, and BTW, Correctable Errors are covered in Rule 2.12

The flagrant call review isn't listed as a correctable error.

 

[large78]

NCAA 2017 Rule Book (free download at the link)
https://www.ncaapublications.com/p-...ens-basketball-rules-and-interpretations.aspx

Rule 6 covers Live Ball/Dead Ball
Rule 11 covers Instant Replay

3. When it is determined that a flagrant 1 or 2 personal foul, a flagrant 2


contact technical foul or a fight did occur within the prescribed time

frame, the infraction(s) should be penalized and play shall be resumed

by awarding the ball to the offended team where the stoppage of play

occurred to review the flagrant act. When a flagrant 2 contact technical

foul or a contact dead ball technical foul is assessed, play shall be

resumed by awarding the ball to the offended team at the division line

on either side of the playing court. Any previous activity before the

monitor review shall not be canceled or nullified. When it is determined

that a flagrant 1 or 2 personal foul, a flagrant 2 contact technical foul

or a fight did not occur within the prescribed time frame, play shall be

resumed where the stoppage of play occurred to review the act.

4. A coach may request a monitor review to determine if any flagrant

2 contact foul occurred. When a flagrant 1 or 2 contact foul or

contact dead ball technical foul is not assessed, a timeout shall be

charged to that team.

 

[SSG T]

3. When it is determined that a flagrant 1 or 2 personal foul, a flagrant 2


contact technical foul or a fight did occur within the prescribed time

frame, the infraction(s) should be penalized and play shall be resumed

by awarding the ball to the offended team where the stoppage of play

occurred to review the flagrant act. When a flagrant 2 contact technical

foul or a contact dead ball technical foul is assessed, play shall be

resumed by awarding the ball to the offended team at the division line

on either side of the playing court. Any previous activity before the

monitor review shall not be canceled or nullified. When it is determined

that a flagrant 1 or 2 personal foul, a flagrant 2 contact technical foul

or a fight did not occur within the prescribed time frame, play shall be

resumed where the stoppage of play occurred to review the act.

4. A coach may request a monitor review to determine if any flagrant

2 contact foul occurred. When a flagrant 1 or 2 contact foul or

contact dead ball technical foul is not assessed, a timeout shall be

charged to that team.

But that is overridden by d1.

d1. tells (my words) the official to determine whether a foul is a flagrant or not using video. They have until the next live ball period (a free throw) and then they can't review.

d3 (which you quoted) starts with "When it is determined that a flagrant 1 or 2..." and gives them direction on how to handle the situation. d3 is not telling them to now review the play, that was covered in d1.