Rule updates

[augiehawk]

What rules would you want to see for next year? With the 3 point takedown, I did not notice it as much during the year, but in the tournament it was obvious that if you get a takedown and an escape, then guys would just stall the entire third period as there is no ref that will hit a wrestler for stalling 4 times in a period.

One idea I saw floated was first stall is a warning, second is 1 point and 3rd is 2 points. I think I like that idea as it wouldn't let guys just run the last 30 seconds.

 

[GableBeer]

Lost challenges should come with choice, lung bricks shouldn’t be a thing.

 

[LIV4GOD]

We need the step-out rule in the neutral position. One that allows for continuing action to award the three if a TD then occurs.

 

[bammhawk1]

That all refs understand what stalling is and are on the same page and that they can actually call it correctly. THAT would be a great start

 

[MilleGinja]

Just make it freestyle.

 

[bammhawk1]

Lost challenges should come with choice, lung bricks shouldn’t be a thing.

Nebby is good at this

 

[LIV4GOD]

That all refs understand what stalling is and are on the same page and that they can actually call it correctly. THAT would be a great start

The problem is they do understand. It's just beyond the human condition for them to all be consistent with it.

 

[lookleft goright]

No takedowns or points scored in the first period, someone gets hit with stalling and it is a point. Get rid of stall warnings and make them all a point or two.

Look at the Ayala match. A bunch of stalling until Ayala gets hit a second time. Then it became an exciting match. If they would have hit Byrd after that, it would have been even better.

Make them wrestle!!

 

[johnyt9]

No takedowns or points scored in the first period, someone gets hit with stalling and it is a point. Get rid of stall warnings and make them all a point or two.

Look at the Ayala match. A bunch of stalling until Ayala gets hit a second time. Then it became an exciting match. If they would have hit Byrd after that, it would have been even better.

Make them wrestle!!

may as well make it auto double stall

 

[OILCHECKER]

1-Get rid of the ride outs for OT.
2-Riding time pt is only awarded if a nf is earned....if you ride a guy for 3-4 min with no nf, you dont get the riding time pt
3- lost challenges cost a point or choice of position
4-since td and nf are worth more, change a major decision to winning by 10 pts instead of 8

 

[just_somebody]

Championships (tournament, conference, national, maybe even regular duals) are SV on your feet till a take down, no TB.

I like the idea of a lost challenge gives up choice.

Redo riding time- rather than a cumulative point, if you ride for 30 seconds, you can go back to your feet without giving up an escape. (maybe make it optional, so if a guy thinks he can turn, he doesn't have to)

Make the mat large enough (or the inbounds circle small enough) that nobody can ever touch off the to get a restart while in danger of being taken down.

completely revamp stalling. maybe something radical like after a stall warning, you will give up a point if you 'leave' (ie, retreat out of) the small circle unless you get a take down. That idea isn't even half baked yet, but its a start

 

[AFHawk86]

Just make it freestyle.

Agreed. Just need to eliminate the grounding rule.

 

[MilleGinja]

Agreed. Just need to eliminate the grounding rule.

Definitely not opposed to that. Also open to some kind of OT period, as I don’t love criteria, but at least the losing wrestler knows (or should know) when they are behind

 

[bammhawk1]

1-Get rid of the ride outs for OT.
2-Riding time pt is only awarded if a nf is earned....if you ride a guy for 3-4 min with no nf, you dont get the riding time pt
3- lost challenges cost a point or choice of position
4-since td and nf are worth more, change a major decision to winning by 10 pts instead of 8

Been asking for 1 for a loooong time. Doesnt make sense and just let them go til someone gets a TD!!!!!!!

 

[dtripp26]

Much prefer that a lost challenge is a penalty point. You'd see a heckuva lot less bricks.

I don't like awarding choice because in folk most choose down but them that give the top guy more time to stall ride and pick up RT. Not in every case but far too often. A penalty point is a very straightforward way to address the issue.

Nobody gonna challenge late in a tie match, unless they are dang certain, knowing they could give away a point.

Also, reviews have to be timed. 2 minutes and done. It shouldn't take 5+ minutes to disect a 20-30 second sequence.

Like some of the other ideas. I like a pushout in principle, but also like the expanded OOB wrestling we have now. But backing off the mat should be an auto stall call, as should crawling off when in a TD position or being ridden.

 

[Steevo36]

Treat concussion protocol like blood time. None of this the other guy gets to choose BS.

 

[OILCHECKER]

Treat concussion protocol like blood time. None of this the other guy gets to choose BS.

Why? You can just as easily fake being woozy as you can having a hurt shoulder or knee. Cant really fake having a bloody nose

 

[sstark46]

Treat concussion protocol like blood time. None of this the other guy gets to choose BS.

Concussion protocol works that way already - no choice given.

 

[CerroGordoHawk]

-Automatic double stall if no there are no takedowns in the first period

-Get rid of the rideouts

-Make reversals three points to match takedowns

I used to like the idea of the push out but I think it would give too much advantage to bigger/stronger guys and would not necessarily lead to better wrestling. I also love the idea of giving up position off a lost challenge. Something has to be done because most of those finals matches were flat out embarrassing.

 

[Coach Mac B]

1-Get rid of the ride outs for OT.
2-Riding time pt is only awarded if a nf is earned....if you ride a guy for 3-4 min with no nf, you dont get the riding time pt
3- lost challenges cost a point or choice of position
4-since td and nf are worth more, change a major decision to winning by 10 pts instead of 8

The fact that everyone calls it a "ride out" is proof enough it should be gone. It isn't wrestling as much as it is just who can hold on and stall for 30 seconds. I can't say that I disagree with the logic behind any of these.

 

[ff141]

1. I don’t get all the pushback with moving to a freestyleish ruleset from neutral. Passivity/shot clock/stepout/continuation. It fixes 90% of the stalling issue from neutral. Personal issue for me is a first period should never end 0-0 with no stall calls. This fixes all that. And for the “just call stalling” crowd…it’s been 25 years. Let’s move on and try something different. Also aligns our best doing a ruleset they’ll be doing on the international stage. Has to help.

2. Id like to see both wrestlers earn a riding time point if the reach a minute on top. No clock moving up and down.

3. Since the 3 point takedown stalling should move from W,1,1,2 to W,1,2. Much more incentive to engage at the end of your up and one point doesn’t tie. Or ding guys hard for not engaging like freestyle. If a guys up by 3 with 4 stall calls to give he’s running with a minute left.

 

[MilleGinja]

Concussion protocol works that way already - no choice given.

Yeah, that’s what they were talking about during Caliendo’s match. They were confused why he was given injury time instead.

 

[24timenattychamps]

Injury time resulting in opponent choice is BS and screws over a truly hurt wrestler 95% of the time

 

[LIV4GOD]

-Automatic double stall if no there are no takedowns in the first period

-Get rid of the rideouts

-Make reversals three points to match takedowns

I used to like the idea of the push out but I think it would give too much advantage to bigger/stronger guys and would not necessarily lead to better wrestling. I also love the idea of giving up position off a lost challenge. Something has to be done because most of those finals matches were flat out embarrassing.

We have test results for this. Freestyle wrestling has not been hurt.

 

[LIV4GOD]

Yeah, that’s what they were talking about during Caliendo’s match. They were confused why he was given injury time instead.

I believe he was offered concussion protocol. I could be wrong.

 

[LIV4GOD]

Injury time resulting in opponent choice is BS and screws over a truly hurt wrestler 95% of the time

But, wow, wow, wow, has it eliminated 99% of lung time outs. It's worth this cost.

 

[MilleGinja]

I believe he was offered concussion protocol. I could be wrong.

You could be right, but no one should be “offered” concussion protocol. You should do it if they hit their head. MM got choice, which I thought was only after injury time.

 

[CerroGordoHawk]

We have test results for this. Freestyle wrestling has not been hurt.

I’m the farthest thing from a freestyle expert so I’ll believe you. I’m not totally against the push out but I have softened my stance on it.

 

[Aleric1]

You could be right, but no one should be “offered” concussion protocol. You should do it if they hit their head. MM got choice, which I thought was only after injury time.

Correct. Choice after injury time but not after concussion protocol. I haven’t watched the broadcast yet (got home late last night from Philly) but I thought they mentioned the ref gave injury time because he was hit on the chin.

 

[AFHawk86]

Concussion protocol works that way already - no choice given.

What about Caliendo’s finals match?

 

[93hawkeye]

Just make it freestyle.

this!!!!

 

[sstark46]

What about Caliendo’s finals match?

He was given injury time, not put in concussion protocol

 

[jayridescarbon]

What about Caliendo’s finals match?

It was confusion as the hit was to Caliendo’s chin, but the reaction was like a hit to the upper part of the head (concussion protocol).

 

[24timenattychamps]

He was given injury time, not put in concussion protocol

Can somebody explain how getting popped in the chin doesn’t constitute concussion protocol?

 

[jayridescarbon]

Bricks, bricks, bricks! Ruined the momentum and gas tank element in several matches. Has to be a significant deterrent for lost challenges. Also, ride outs for the win suck.

 

[northernboarderhawk]

Much prefer that a lost challenge is a penalty point. You'd see a heckuva lot less bricks.

I don't like awarding choice because in folk most choose down but them that give the top guy more time to stall ride and pick up RT. Not in every case but far too often. A penalty point is a very straightforward way to address the issue.

Nobody gonna challenge late in a tie match, unless they are dang certain, knowing they could give away a point.

Also, reviews have to be timed. 2 minutes and done. It shouldn't take 5+ minutes to disect a 20-30 second sequence.

Like some of the other ideas. I like a pushout in principle, but also like the expanded OOB wrestling we have now. But backing off the mat should be an auto stall call, as should crawling off when in a TD position or being ridden.

What about a stall warning on the top guy for running his opponent off the mat when trying to peel hands or getting a 5 count just so he can get a restart. This one imo happens to much when the top guy isn't able to get the bottom person back down. Just push them out and restart.

 

[sstark46]

Can somebody explain how getting popped in the chin doesn’t constitute concussion protocol?

No idea if it's purely refs discretion or if there's input from the medical staff taken into account. But the ref only signaled for injury time

 

[northernboarderhawk]

Can somebody explain how getting popped in the chin doesn’t constitute concussion protocol?

The announcer said the official said the chin wasn't part of the head. Even the announcer thought that was a good one. He even commented that what is it a part of then.

 

[shobart]

Can somebody explain how getting popped in the chin doesn’t constitute concussion protocol?

Agree. The chin is part of the head last time I checked. Should’ve been concussion protocol. It’s not about influencing an outcome of a match. Should be a standard imho

 

[jayridescarbon]

Agree. The chin is part of the head last time I checked. Should’ve been concussion protocol. It’s not about influencing an outcome of a match. Should be a standard imho

Considering that some people seem to have their brains in their butts, you might have to incorporate that in concussion protocol.😝