Rule updates
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We need to make sure we include that in our submission to the rules committee lol
Would also like to see the stall count start for scooping the ankle and sitting on it. That just takes away one leg and is meant to just eat time.
Tired of a guy just getting shoved out being called for stalling (see Ayala finals match). These wrestlers are not really going out on their own, the wrestler pushing may have good leverage that the one going out can’t stop him. There used to be more stalling called on the guy just pushing a guy out of bounds. The sitting on the ankle (PSU stall ride) if top wrestler is not elevating the ankle to use as a turn a 5 count should be started ijyat like dropping to the legs.
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Except now the coaches throw a brick to get their guy a lung timeout. and some of them are masters. I won't name names, but one of the best has the initials MM.
It shouldn't matter, any hit to any part of the head that knocks a guy out (or nearly does) should not be injury time.
That first thing u said. That should in fact be called a point every time. Not stalling so you are correct. It would incentivize wrestling in the middle there should be a trial run of it in fact. Maybe at the world team trials in a few weeks see what it looks like.
We all know this is Mark Manning. Even the announcers were calling him out!
The announcers were saying it was a good move to challenge so the guy could get a rest. Reviews need to change because it’s going to become more blatant now that announcers are openly advocating for reviews to be used as timeouts.
That’s a stupid rule. The ref was the one who stopped the match.
Agreed. Seemed like a pretty obvious "blow to the head" that could've warranted concussion protocol, but the ref didn't seem to agree. And I'm not sure how that works, if there's any way for the medical staff (or anyone for that matter) to overrule the ref at that point
Can't remember if it was here or on the broadcast during the Championships, but someone proposed that the Finals matches be a race to 10 pts, meaning you'd need to score if you wanted to win..............or it becomes a war of attrition.
Basically, college wrestling version of an Iron Man match (a pro wrestling concept).
Basically, college wrestling version of an Iron Man match (a pro wrestling concept).
Edge wrestling in freestyle is usually really competitive. The grounding rule is dumb as hell. Just get rid of that and we’re golden.
To the person that mentioned give each guy a point if they reach a minute of riding time, I say hell no.
lol. That was me. My logic is still to keep the emphasis on control in folk but once u earn the point it’s over. And beyond that maybe the officials would b more apt to call stalling.
Please implement the step out so we can do away with the subjective OOB stalling
Start each period from neutral.
No riding time points unless you score back points.
Call stalling.
No riding time points unless you score back points.
Call stalling.
I'd love that. Starting each period in neutral and not awarding riding time points without back points "encourages less stalling". End goal for fans (not just us Iowa folks) is to have a level playing field, and your comments above can help get us there imho.
Lost challenge gets stall warning (I prefer this to choice).
Extra time changes to 1/1/1, regular rules - neutral/choice/choice where neutral period is SV. Must have :15 RT advantage to win the “new TB.” About 3/4 of my concern about current ride outs is +/-5-10 seconds of RT has no real meaning in a match.
Extra time changes to 1/1/1, regular rules - neutral/choice/choice where neutral period is SV. Must have :15 RT advantage to win the “new TB.” About 3/4 of my concern about current ride outs is +/-5-10 seconds of RT has no real meaning in a match.
60 seconds and done would be fine. If they can't figure it out on film in slow motion etc in 60 seconds, then go with what the officials decided in real time.
Also, if we are going to have reviews, why do owe need another official out there?
Folkstyle is not freestyle. Folkstyle determines who is the best all around wrestler and it is much more grueling and physically demanding than freestyle. Let's embrace what makes America Great (having the toughest sport) and not try to make it into something else.
Mat wrestling gives guys another way to victory by sharpening a different skill set and IMHO (separates the men from the boys).
Not advocating for a wholesale switch. The ruleset from neutral is just better if we’re talking creating action. Somebody is basically dinged for inactivity inside a minute if no scoring has happened. Rules change all the time. “Just call stalling” is not a solution.
I don’t know how to do it, but the subjectivity in stalling needs to be tightened up. The interpretations are way too varied. Additionally, it felt like refs were unwilling to call stalling against a guy with a lead when they should…guys could effectively run for 2 minutes and maybe give up 1 stall point.
The context of my statement was merely about the step out rule. It has not hurt the action in freestyle in neutral. It's vastly superior to the constant stoppage of wrestling in folk as they leave the mat. Neutral position rules in folk create constant fleeing. Fleeing is not wrestling.
The guy who scores a first period takedown and an escape in the second has the right to stall in the third. He did work to put himself in that position. He also has the risk of putting himself in the position that Gable put himself in where one takedown wins the match.
Mat wrestling is wrestling. If you can't get out, get better.
Overtime ride outs suck. I have a crazy idea now that every takedown is a wild scramble: 2nd OT, 30 seconds back to neutral. The wrestler that initiates the shot/action is given 1 point. If that wrestler gets the takedown they get their 3 match over. If the opponent wins the scramble and gets the takedown, they get the 3 match over. If it ends up in a stalemate or time runs out, the wrestler who initiated the scramble wins with their 1 point.
Mat wrestling is wrestling. If you can't get out, get better.
Overtime ride outs suck. I have a crazy idea now that every takedown is a wild scramble: 2nd OT, 30 seconds back to neutral. The wrestler that initiates the shot/action is given 1 point. If that wrestler gets the takedown they get their 3 match over. If the opponent wins the scramble and gets the takedown, they get the 3 match over. If it ends up in a stalemate or time runs out, the wrestler who initiated the scramble wins with their 1 point.
Id just make OT SV only. No rideouts. score a takedown to win or wrestle forever
i think this only comes from agreeing upon how to call it in meetings with officials and then holding those officials accountable throughout the year. performance reviews
it was out of frustration with the lack of action in those matches.. but if we went to that, we never would have gotten the finish at HWT.
Maybe that in a championship match, the match can't end unless there has been at least one TD.. if no take downs in regulation, goes to SV. (wild, but we want action!)
Was looking for this. You can't hold onto an ankle with your hand for more than five seconds but you can figure four a leg forever and probably get a stalling call on the bottom guy to boot.
Leg riding. Treat leg riding similar to what they did with stalling on top guy when his control drops down to waist/below with the 5 count. Interlocking your legs around one of the bottom guy's legs should initiate a 5 count until you either get him turned w/ back points or unlock your legs.
Why would any deny concussion protocol to take injury time and give the other guy choice
If someone takes a headshot and goes down it should protocol no questions
Concussion protocol could possibly end the match right then and there. I don't like giving up position, especially in the finals but at least he was able to continue the match.
I guess, but I have seen guys knocked pretty good and came back out good to go.
Cali was fine, but took a chin shot that will drop guys to there knees often.
The more we bitch and moan about the rules, the more i believe we need to switch to FS.
I get the purity of folkstyle. I love folkstyle. But it's just dead and becoming unwatchable and confusing to even us diehards.
If refs won't call stalling - we need to switch to FS. 0-0 after THREE MINUTES?! that's absurd. Someone is ABSOLUTELY doing less than the other. and it should be an immediate point. that IS a warning.
I get the purity of folkstyle. I love folkstyle. But it's just dead and becoming unwatchable and confusing to even us diehards.
If refs won't call stalling - we need to switch to FS. 0-0 after THREE MINUTES?! that's absurd. Someone is ABSOLUTELY doing less than the other. and it should be an immediate point. that IS a warning.
