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Russian Invasion YESTERDAY! - How Did It Go?

Nov 28, 2010
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BBC quoted Zelenskyy issuing this warning today.

Have you stocked up on whatever you are supposed to stock up on in cases like this?
 
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BBC quoted Zelenskyy issuing this warning today.

Have you stocked up on whatever you are supposed to stock up on in cases like this?

Dimwit Joe Biden provided additional incentives for Russia to invade by sending billions in military hardware to Ukraine. Putin knows full well he can get his hands on free stuff paid for by the American Taxpayers. Kind of like a BLM smash and grab but on a larger scale.
 


On August 11,1984, President Ronald Reagan makes a joking off-the-cuff remark while testing a microphone before a scheduled radio address. While warming up for the speech, Reagan said "My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."
 
Dimwit Joe Biden provided additional incentives for Russia to invade by sending billions in military hardware to Ukraine. Putin knows full well he can get his hands on free stuff paid for by the American Taxpayers. Kind of like a BLM smash and grab but on a larger scale.
Wait BLM is involved in the Ukraine thing?

Did you just copy paste that from your Facebook page?
 
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I seriously have tried to keep up, but is there something, even something fabricated, that Russia is claiming that Ukraine has done to warrant this? Other than "talk" of joining NATO?
 
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Dimwit Joe Biden provided additional incentives for Russia to invade by sending billions in military hardware to Ukraine. Putin knows full well he can get his hands on free stuff paid for by the American Taxpayers. Kind of like a BLM smash and grab but on a larger scale.
I was about ready to like your comment until you went all nutty with that last sentence.
 
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Behind a paywall for me.

Would I be correct in assuming it parrots the US official line?

I mean that's what "newspapers of record" usually do in times like these.
It shouldn't be. I don't subscribe.


How the Ukraine Crisis Developed, and Where It Might Be Headed​

Here’s a guide to the causes behind a conflict that threatens to become a major military clash, and what’s at stake for Russia, the U.S. and NATO.

It feels like a scene from the Cold War. An unpredictable Russian leader amassing troops and tanks on a neighbor’s border. The threat of a bloody East-West conflagration.

But what seems like a perilous episode from a bygone era is now front and center in global affairs. After a meeting with European leaders on Feb. 11, the White House warned that Russia could start a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in less than a week.

U.S. officials say Russia’s buildup has reached 130,000 troops. They say they have evidence of a Russian war plan that envisions an invasion force of 175,000 troops that Ukraine’s military, despite U.S.-provided equipment and training, would have little ability to stop.

Some 8,500 American troops are on “high alert” for possible deployment to Eastern Europe, most likely to provide assurance to American allies in the region.

A military action threatens to destabilize the already volatile post-Soviet region, with serious consequences for the security structure that has governed Europe since the 1990s.

Russia has made a list of far-reaching demands to reshape that structure — positions NATO and the United States have rejected. Russian officials have repeatedly insisted that Moscow has no plans to invade Ukraine, but Mr. Putin pointedly has not ruled it out.

What’s behind the Ukraine crisis?​


After the Soviet Union collapsed, NATO expanded eastward, eventually taking in most of the European nations that had been in the Communist sphere. The Baltic republics of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, once parts of the Soviet Union, joined NATO, as did Poland, Romania and others.

As a result, NATO, an alliance created to counter the Soviets, moved hundreds of miles closer to Moscow, directly bordering Russia. And in 2008, it stated that it planned — some day — to enroll Ukraine, though that is still seen as a far-off prospect.


Mr. Putin has described the Soviet disintegration as a catastrophe that robbed Russia of its rightful place among the world’s great powers and put it at the mercy of a predatory West. He has spent his 22 years in power rebuilding Russia’s military and reasserting its geopolitical clout.

The Russian president calls NATO’s expansion menacing, and the prospect of Ukraine joining it an existential threat to his country. As Russia has grown more assertive and stronger militarily, his complaints about NATO have grown more strident. He has repeatedly invoked the specter of American ballistic missiles and combat forces in Ukraine, though U.S., Ukrainian and NATO officials insist there are none.


Mr. Putin has also insisted that Ukraine and Belarus are fundamentally parts of Russia, culturally and historically. He holds considerable sway over Belarus, and talks about some form of reunification with Russia have gone on for years.

But East-West relations worsened drastically in early 2014, when mass protests in Ukraine forced out a president closely allied with Mr. Putin. Russia swiftly invaded and annexed Crimea, part of Ukraine. Moscow also fomented a separatist rebellion that took control of part of the Donbas region of Ukraine, in a war that still grinds on, having killed more than 13,000 people.

A 2015 cease-fire agreement on Donbas could give Russian proxies veto power over much of Ukrainian policy, including in foreign affairs. But with the war making Russia more unpopular in Ukraine, and both sides accusing each other of violating the accord, it has never been fully implemented.
 
Mr. Putin appears intent on winding back the clock more than 30 years, establishing a broad, Russian-dominated security zone resembling the power Moscow wielded in Soviet days. Now 69 years old and possibly edging toward the twilight of his political career, he clearly wants to draw Ukraine, a nation of 44 million people, back into Russia’s orbit.

Less clear is how willing he is to do it by force if the cost to Russia is high, and whether he would be content with a Ukraine that is pliant but remains apart from Russia.

Russia presented NATO and the United States in December with a set of written demands that it said were needed to ensure its security. Foremost among them are a guarantee that Ukraine would never join NATO, that NATO draw down its forces in the Eastern European countries that have already joined, and that the 2015 cease-fire in Ukraine be implemented — though Moscow and Kyiv disagree sharply on what that would mean.

The West dismissed the main demands out of hand, while making overtures on other concerns, and threatening sanctions. Moscow’s aggressive posture has also inflamed Ukrainian nationalism, with citizen militias preparing for a drawn-out guerrilla campaign in the event of a Russian occupation.

Mr. Putin’s timing could also be related to the transition from President Donald J. Trump, who was notably friendly to him and disparaging of NATO, to President Biden, who is committed to the alliance and distrustful of the Kremlin.

He may also want to energize nationalists at home support by focusing on an external threat, as he has in the past. Mr. Putin has crushed domestic challenges to his authority, but last year, with the economy stumbling and the pandemic raging, opposition groups held some of the largest anti-Putin protests in years.
 
I am hoping Russia invades the quagmire that is Ukraine. But Putin is mostly sackless so I highly doubt it. Even Lavrov told him to stfu.
 
Welp, it looks like calling Putin's bluff worked. Putin wanted to find out how successful his campaign to destabilize NATO was and as it turns out, not very. We still aren't out of the woods, but it looks like Putin may be having second thoughts about invading. I'm sure Nat will be here any time to explain how this was an ingenious move by Putin and shows the Russian superiority to all other nations.

 
Welp, it looks like calling Putin's bluff worked. Putin wanted to find out how successful his campaign to destabilize NATO was and as it turns out, not very. We still aren't out of the woods, but it looks like Putin may be having second thoughts about invading. I'm sure Nat will be here any time to explain how this was an ingenious move by Putin and shows the Russian superiority to all other nations.



Only Russia is claiming they are withdrawing some troops.
 
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We still aren't out of the woods, but it looks like Putin may be having second thoughts about invading.
So they held military exercises like they announced they would in December (and in smaller scale than they held last September), but our propaganda organs insisted (over the voices of Ukrainians downplaying the threat) that the Dread Pirate Putin was about to invade and they scared him away.

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Any other prop bets available?
I got an account at DraftCzars and wagered the moneyline (+550) that the first casualty would be a housepainter from Rostov-on-Don that dies in an unrelated single car drunken driving accident and then is stripped of his painters clothes, re-dressed as a grenadier from the Azov Battalion, pumped with a few rounds of Ukrainian ammunition and then dropped in a border ditch in Dobryanka where he will be photographed and distributed via Russian state media as a pretext for an invasion. I bet 7,000 rubles (about 2 dollars American). Opening the account was a PITA though because Nat Algren had to co-sign for me to circumvent the SWIFT system for the initial account deposit and he's kind of bitchy in the morning before he's had his Blini.
 
I got an account at DraftCzars and wagered the moneyline (+550) that the first casualty would be a housepainter from Rostov-on-Don that dies in an unrelated single car drunken driving accident and then is stripped of his painters clothes, re-dressed as a grenadier from the Azov Battalion, pumped with a few rounds of Ukrainian ammunition and then dropped in a border ditch in Dobryanka where he will be photographed and distributed via Russian state media as a pretext for an invasion. I bet 7,000 rubles (about 2 dollars American). Opening the account was a PITA though because Nat Algren had to co-sign for me to circumvent the SWIFT system for the initial account deposit and he's kind of bitchy in the morning before he's had his Blini.
You're making Lucas' mistake.
Azov Battalion started as a Ukrainian nationalist militia, since incorporated into the official military.

So they'd kill him, dump him in Luhansk, and claim the Ukrainian government had violated the Minsk ceasefire and that they must invade to protect civilians.
 
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You're making Lucas' mistake.
Azov Battalion started as a Ukrainian nationalist militia, since incorporated into the official military.

So they'd kill him, dump him in Luhansk, and claim the Ukrainian government had violated the Minsk ceasefire and that they must invade to protect civilians.
And I would have got away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids.
 
DW News (Germany) is reporting that ministers in Russia's Duma are calling for Russia to recognize the independence of the rebel areas in eastern Ukraine.

I doubt they'd be proposing that without a green light from Putin.

Where would that lead?

Russia recognizes their independence. Then enters into a mutual defense pact with the new republics. Then if Ukraine launches any kind of offensive against those "republics" Russia is required to come to their defense.

Just a feint? An exit plan? Who knows?
 
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DW News (Germany) is reporting that ministers in Russia's Duma are calling for Russia to recognize the independence of the rebel areas in eastern Ukraine.

I doubt they'd be proposing that without a green light from Putin.

Where would that lead?

Russia recognizes their independence. Then enters into a mutual defense pact with the new republics. Then if Ukraine launches any kind of offensive against those "republics" Russia is required to come to their defense.

Just a feint? An exit plan? Who knows?
I'm thinking this was pretty much the goal from the start. Feint at greater Ukraine to make independence and ultimate annexation of Donbass more palatable for the rest of world.
 


People hate on Biden but the us/nato intel drips so far haven’t missed a beat. One way to deter sPutin
 


Only Russia is claiming they are withdrawing some troops.
I have seen from multiple media sources that there is indication of a small number of troops leaving, but I will give you that it can certainly be a misdirection from Russia as well. I'm just hoping for the best here.
 
It shouldn't be. I don't subscribe.


How the Ukraine Crisis Developed, and Where It Might Be Headed​

Here’s a guide to the causes behind a conflict that threatens to become a major military clash, and what’s at stake for Russia, the U.S. and NATO.

It feels like a scene from the Cold War. An unpredictable Russian leader amassing troops and tanks on a neighbor’s border. The threat of a bloody East-West conflagration.

But what seems like a perilous episode from a bygone era is now front and center in global affairs. After a meeting with European leaders on Feb. 11, the White House warned that Russia could start a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in less than a week.

U.S. officials say Russia’s buildup has reached 130,000 troops. They say they have evidence of a Russian war plan that envisions an invasion force of 175,000 troops that Ukraine’s military, despite U.S.-provided equipment and training, would have little ability to stop.

Some 8,500 American troops are on “high alert” for possible deployment to Eastern Europe, most likely to provide assurance to American allies in the region.

A military action threatens to destabilize the already volatile post-Soviet region, with serious consequences for the security structure that has governed Europe since the 1990s.

Russia has made a list of far-reaching demands to reshape that structure — positions NATO and the United States have rejected. Russian officials have repeatedly insisted that Moscow has no plans to invade Ukraine, but Mr. Putin pointedly has not ruled it out.

What’s behind the Ukraine crisis?​


After the Soviet Union collapsed, NATO expanded eastward, eventually taking in most of the European nations that had been in the Communist sphere. The Baltic republics of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, once parts of the Soviet Union, joined NATO, as did Poland, Romania and others.

As a result, NATO, an alliance created to counter the Soviets, moved hundreds of miles closer to Moscow, directly bordering Russia. And in 2008, it stated that it planned — some day — to enroll Ukraine, though that is still seen as a far-off prospect.


Mr. Putin has described the Soviet disintegration as a catastrophe that robbed Russia of its rightful place among the world’s great powers and put it at the mercy of a predatory West. He has spent his 22 years in power rebuilding Russia’s military and reasserting its geopolitical clout.

The Russian president calls NATO’s expansion menacing, and the prospect of Ukraine joining it an existential threat to his country. As Russia has grown more assertive and stronger militarily, his complaints about NATO have grown more strident. He has repeatedly invoked the specter of American ballistic missiles and combat forces in Ukraine, though U.S., Ukrainian and NATO officials insist there are none.


Mr. Putin has also insisted that Ukraine and Belarus are fundamentally parts of Russia, culturally and historically. He holds considerable sway over Belarus, and talks about some form of reunification with Russia have gone on for years.

But East-West relations worsened drastically in early 2014, when mass protests in Ukraine forced out a president closely allied with Mr. Putin. Russia swiftly invaded and annexed Crimea, part of Ukraine. Moscow also fomented a separatist rebellion that took control of part of the Donbas region of Ukraine, in a war that still grinds on, having killed more than 13,000 people.

A 2015 cease-fire agreement on Donbas could give Russian proxies veto power over much of Ukrainian policy, including in foreign affairs. But with the war making Russia more unpopular in Ukraine, and both sides accusing each other of violating the accord, it has never been fully implemented.
Thanks.
 
I'm thinking this was pretty much the goal from the start. Feint at greater Ukraine to make independence and ultimate annexation of Donbass more palatable for the rest of world.
Yeah, it sure looks like a pretext - saving the Ukranian Russians via massive attack.
 
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