Seems like President Musk would have a problem with this action by the administration....

[The Tradition]

The Trump administration has paused a federal clean energy program to expand the country's network of electric vehicle charging stations, putting in limbo billions of dollars allocated to states with current and future projects for the foreseeable future.

In a memo released Thursday, the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) informed state transportation directors that the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) program will be under review. The agency said existing contracts will be honored — suggesting some ongoing projects will still receive funding — but that "no new obligations may occur under the NEVI Formula Program" effective immediately.

That holds back about $3 billion that states expected to receive for future construction projects, according to the research firm Atlas Public Policy.

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/07/nx-s1-5289922/trump-transportation-department-ev-charging-halt

 

[OrlandNole]

Musk likely supports this, as he does the elimination of the EV tax credit. In the short term, these measures will cause a lot of the smaller players in the EV industry to fold.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Musk likely supports this, as he does the elimination of the EV tax credit. In the short term, these measures will cause a lot of the smaller players in the EV industry to fold.

He has said as much.
Hurts me but hurts others a lot more.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Musk has no problem with it. He publicly stated not to pass the IRA in the Don Lemon interview.

 

[Mister_Man]

 

[The Tradition]

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[OrlandNole]

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Good luck with that. The only way to do that is to completely overhaul how we pay for roads, i.e. a VMT fee. I'm all for it, but will be extremely difficult to implement.

 

[The Tradition]

Good luck with that. The only way to do that is to completely overhaul how we pay for roads, i.e. a VMT fee. I'm all for it, but will be extremely difficult to implement.

Why? How? Charge the damn fee when it's time to renew your registration. Easy-peasy.

 

[billanole]

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Ask the guy why the Federal Excise tax on fuel hasn’t been raised in decades. Fuel taxes pay less and less for transport projects… not just roadways.
But, the cool thing is to target EVs.

 

[Tiny Hands Trump]

He has said as much.
Hurts me but hurts others a lot more.

Government subsidies for me, not for thee.

 

[billanole]

Why? How? Charge the damn fee when it's time to renew your registration. Easy-peasy.

You just bought a more fuel efficient vehicle, so by your rationale, your registration should be higher. Wut?

 

[The Tradition]

You just bought a more fuel efficient vehicle, so by your rationale, your registration should be higher. Wut?

EVs are much heavier vehicles which cause more wear and tear on highway infrastructure than similarly-sized ICE vehicles.

And remember, we're talking about how to fairly tax users of highway infrastructure, here. Not saving the planet. Stay on point.

 

[billanole]

EVs are much heavier vehicles which cause more wear and tear on highway infrastructure than similarly-sized ICE vehicles.

And remember, we're talking about how to fairly tax users of highway infrastructure, here. Not saving the planet. Stay on point.

You don’t really understand vehicle weights regarding roadway impact. There are restrictions on weight per axle, but this only truly comes to play in commercial trucks and is mostly addressed on bridges.
Any private EV is well below a weight that impacts today’s roads. You are just throwing up BS that you want to believe.
Does the weight of an EV potentially impact tire duration? Sure. The roadways, not so much.
As far as your last sentence about staying on point about fairness, piss the eff off. What if we taxed per gallon of pollution burnt regarding healthcare costs, dumbace?
Your purchase of gas long ago stopped paying for roadways, as the tax hasn’t been raised in decades. Beyond that, roads are not the only transport that tax is supposed to fund.

 

[The Tradition]

Beyond that, roads are not the only transport that tax is supposed to fund.

So tell me again why EV owners shouldn't pay some sort of tax like ICE owners do?

 

[billanole]

So tell me again why EV owners shouldn't pay some sort of tax like ICE owners do?

Where did I say that? EV registration likely should include some similar amount of tax that your sporty, polluting ride pays. That is why @OrlandNole posted such in post #7 of this thread. He mentioned a mileage driven tax and the difficulty of implementing such.
Stop being a whiny victim.

 

[The Tradition]

Where did I say that? EV registration likely should include some similar amount of tax that your sporty, polluting ride pays. That is why @OrlandNole posted such in post #7 of this thread. He mentioned a mileage driven tax and the difficulty of implementing such.
Stop being a whiny victim.

And I replied, "how and why is that difficult to implement?"

 

[The Tradition]

The thing I hate about the gas tax is there are a whole lot of gallons of gas purchased every day that are NOT used to power an ICE vehicle. Landscapers, boaters, snowmobilers, farm equipment... those gallons of gas are not used to drive on roads, so it's unfair.

 

[billanole]

And I replied, "how and why is that difficult to implement?"

Go ahead and spell out your plan. Let’s see how the DOGE boy responds.
Google simpleton and @The Tradition shows up.

 

[uihawk82]

The Trump administration has paused a federal clean energy program to expand the country's network of electric vehicle charging stations, putting in limbo billions of dollars allocated to states with current and future projects for the foreseeable future.

In a memo released Thursday, the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) informed state transportation directors that the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) program will be under review. The agency said existing contracts will be honored — suggesting some ongoing projects will still receive funding — but that "no new obligations may occur under the NEVI Formula Program" effective immediately.

That holds back about $3 billion that states expected to receive for future construction projects, according to the research firm Atlas Public Policy.

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/07/nx-s1-5289922/trump-transportation-department-ev-charging-halt

Shortsighted and he just wanted to stop a Biden program. You dont think we will need electric cars soon when the petrol is low in supply

 

[billanole]

The thing I hate about the gas tax is there are a whole lot of gallons of gas purchased every day that are NOT used to power an ICE vehicle. Landscapers, boaters, snowmobilers, farm equipment... those gallons of gas are not used to drive on roads, so it's unfair.

I thought you wanted to stay on topic?
You can think of those taxes paid as money to fund healthcare due to the pollutants emitted by those engines without emission controls.
You really are a whine producer. Over and over and over. You must be autistic.

 

[The Tradition]

Go ahead and spell out your plan. Let’s see how the DOGE boy responds.
Google simpleton and @The Tradition shows up.

It's pretty simple. The tax is per mile, so when you renew your registration, you pay $X times the number of miles driven since the last renewal. You could literally do this on a post card.

 

[mnole03]

Musk has no problem with it. He publicly stated not to pass the IRA in the Don Lemon interview.

Because he already received the benefit and doesn’t want the competition. It’s like Amazon supporting online sales tax after they became a trillion dollar company skirting the rules. Uber now supports stricter ride sharing rules.

 

[billanole]

It's pretty simple. The tax is per mile, so when you renew your registration, you pay $X times the number of miles driven since the last renewal. You could literally do this on a post card.

And you would surely be accurate in the miles driven…
BTW, are you now saying you should not be charged at the pump buying carbon?

 

[billanole]

Because he already received the benefit and doesn’t want the competition. It’s like Amazon supporting online sales tax after they became a trillion dollar company skirting the rules. Uber now supports stricter ride sharing rules.

Yep.

 

[The Tradition]

Because he already received the benefit and doesn’t want the competition. It’s like Amazon supporting online sales tax after they became a trillion dollar company skirting the rules. Uber now supports stricter ride sharing rules.

Yes, regulation is a barrier to entry for competitors, but that's the opposite of billions of federal dollars being tossed around to prop up an emerging industry.

 

[The Tradition]

And you would surely be accurate in the miles driven…

The state could require you to drive by the tag office for the tax assessor to look at your odometer. Again, not hard.

 

[mnole03]

Yes, regulation is a barrier to entry for competitors, but that's the opposite of billions of federal dollars being tossed around to prop up an emerging industry.

He has his charging network. He doesn’t care if this inconveniences his customers. It’ll hurt his competitors more.

 

[billanole]

The state could require you to drive by the tag office for the tax assessor to look at your odometer. Again, not hard.

You are so simple. Will you be sure to drive by the office yearly if the Excise Tax is eliminated?
Who will pay for the staff needed to verify the odometer reading?
Again, simpleton.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

EVs are much heavier vehicles which cause more wear and tear on highway infrastructure than similarly-sized ICE vehicles.

Long Range Model S below average ICE.

- Tesla Model S:
- Weight: From 4,561 lbs (Long Range) to 4,766 lbs (Plaid).
- Average Class Weight: Full-size luxury sedans often weigh around 4,600 lbs. The Model S aligns closely with this average, but its heavier battery and performance-oriented trims like the Plaid push it above.


“Wear and tear” argument falls flat when a majority of truck owners drive oversized trucks for convenience and never haul anything.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

So tell me again why EV owners shouldn't pay some sort of tax like ICE owners do?

We do, I’ve given you the data before. Did you forget?

 

[The Tradition]

Long Range Model S below average ICE.

- Tesla Model S:
- Weight: From 4,561 lbs (Long Range) to 4,766 lbs (Plaid).
- Average Class Weight: Full-size luxury sedans often weigh around 4,600 lbs. The Model S aligns closely with this average, but its heavier battery and performance-oriented trims like the Plaid push it above.


“Wear and tear” argument falls flat when a majority of truck owners drive oversized trucks for convenience and never haul anything.

Is that why EVs require special heavy duty tires?

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Because he already received the benefit and doesn’t want the competition. It’s like Amazon supporting online sales tax after they became a trillion dollar company skirting the rules. Uber now supports stricter ride sharing rules.

Two different laws. You know that.

 

[The Tradition]

We do, I’ve given you the data before. Did you forget?

Data? LOL.

Did you say data?

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Is that why EVs require special heavy duty tires?

Do they? Mine doesn’t. The Model Y i drive is within 5% of the average weight of ICE vehicles in its class. Standard tires.

 

[mnole03]

Long Range Model S below average ICE.

- Tesla Model S:
- Weight: From 4,561 lbs (Long Range) to 4,766 lbs (Plaid).
- Average Class Weight: Full-size luxury sedans often weigh around 4,600 lbs. The Model S aligns closely with this average, but its heavier battery and performance-oriented trims like the Plaid push it above.


“Wear and tear” argument falls flat when a majority of truck owners drive oversized trucks for convenience and never haul anything.

The Model S isn’t a luxury sedan, my dude. The interior looks like a Sonata.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Data? LOL.

Did you say data?

Yeah, here it is, again.

“Contrary to a tax incentive, 24 states impose a higher annual vehicle registration fee for EVs and some hybrid vehicles to help offset forgone gas tax revenue. These fees range from $50 in Hawaii and South Dakota to $200 in Ohio, West Virginia, and Wyoming.“

How Are Electric Vehicles Taxed in Your State?​

The state EV taxation landscape reflects the evolving transportation sector and the pressing need to address both fiscal gaps in road funding and environmental concerns.

How Are Electric Vehicles Taxed in Your State?

The state EV taxation landscape reflects the evolving transportation sector and the pressing need to address both fiscal gaps in road funding and environmental concerns.

taxfoundation.org

 

[ISUBryce]

EVs are much heavier vehicles which cause more wear and tear on highway infrastructure than similarly-sized ICE vehicles.

And remember, we're talking about how to fairly tax users of highway infrastructure, here. Not saving the planet. Stay on point.

Road wear is negligible between an EV and an ICE vehicle.

a single semi-trailer can generate the same wear as 9,600 passenger vehicles.

In Iowa the registration tax on EV’s for roads is way more than most people pay in gas tax per year.

 

[The Tradition]

Do they? Mine doesn’t. The Model Y i drive is within 5% of the average weight of ICE vehicles in its class. Standard tires.

Electric cars need different tires for four reasons:

• EVs can weigh a thousand pounds more so their tires have to shoulder that while still delivering good tread wear and not folding up when cornering.
• EVs torque their tires. A Hummer EV accelerates as fast as a Ferrari Roma while weighing more than two of whatever you drive now. Even the Chevy Bolt has the same torque as a late model V6 Mustang.
• EVs are shrouded in our range neuroses, so their tires have to take part in extending range by using low-rolling resistance designs.
• EVs are quiet. When you get rid of engine noise, you start noticing tires noise in a big way. It needs to be minimal and tuned to be pleasant.

That adds up to a triangle under tension, balancing grip for performance, low rolling resistance for efficiency and good tread wear for value. You can balance those, or you can decide one is more important to you and stretch out the equilateral triangle that way.

Here's What to Look for in New Tires for Your Electric Car

EVs are spawning a new age of tires that you need to know about.

www.cnet.com

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Yep.

Nope, he didn’t say to unwind the previous legislation they already phased out of, which was still available to all automakers. Just that new incentives weren’t needed. He knew Biden and cronies would screw him/Tesla with the new legislation. And sure enough, the first IRA did everything they could to screw Tesla. He was right, of course.

 

[The Tradition]

Yeah, here it is, again.

“Contrary to a tax incentive, 24 states impose a higher annual vehicle registration fee for EVs and some hybrid vehicles to help offset forgone gas tax revenue. These fees range from $50 in Hawaii and South Dakota to $200 in Ohio, West Virginia, and Wyoming.“

How Are Electric Vehicles Taxed in Your State?​

The state EV taxation landscape reflects the evolving transportation sector and the pressing need to address both fiscal gaps in road funding and environmental concerns.

How Are Electric Vehicles Taxed in Your State?

The state EV taxation landscape reflects the evolving transportation sector and the pressing need to address both fiscal gaps in road funding and environmental concerns.

taxfoundation.org

Great. Let's have more of that?