Seth MacFarlane owns Bill Maher on vaccines
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Maher had no answer for "why get any vaccine then?". That's as backward and uninformed as I've ever seen Maher.
Maher has a big weak spot when it comes to medicine and vaccines.
I see northern and his GED education is laughing at this. Least surprising thing ever.
This is a topic I'd wish he would have actual scientists on his show next time he discusses it, he just relies seemingly alot on anecdotal evidence and can't distinguish change stances by scientists due to new information with people who make stuff up whenever they feel like it.
Huge difference between vaccines and the COVID "vaccine."
Flu shot = COVID shot
Probably a mistake to ever call it a vaccine. Massive over-promise of its benefits is also at fault here. In reality they were stating what they hoped it would do without knowing if it actually did.
Flu shot = COVID shot
Probably a mistake to ever call it a vaccine. Massive over-promise of its benefits is also at fault here. In reality they were stating what they hoped it would do without knowing if it actually did.
Maher is wrong.
Macfarlane is correct.
>1800 pediatric deaths from Covid since 2020.
Seems like he just makes shit up for his anti-vax takes.
Flu vaccine = Covid vaccine.
They've been vaccines ever since flu vaccines came out >30 yrs ago.
It is a vaccine, by definition, as is “the flu shot.” It’s irrelevant that over the years people started to commonly and casually refer to the flu vaccine as the flu shot.
Honest question - Has refusing to receive a flu ‘vaccine’ ever lost someone their job or got them blackballed with a large portion of the population? Was there the same pressure with H1N1 for hospital workers?
I know the federal court blocked Biden’s mandate to vaccine-or-test requirements for large private companies, but I still think healthcare and federal workers felt a lot of pressure to comply with the government’s rules in order to keep their employment.
I listened to the podcast and I honestly didn’t think anyone owned anybody. Seth was trying to compare the Covid vaccine to mumps and measles. The difference is the MMR vaccine actually prevents you from getting and spreading those diseases, unlike a flu or Covid shot which just ‘helps’ strengthen immunity.
All Bill said was that if he doesn’t want to put the vaccine in his body, he shouldn’t have to. As someone who has received three rounds, I agree but I don’t get an annual flu shot either. If you want to get one, great. If you don’t, that’s fine too.
And, obesity. He just thinks everybody should be healthy and thin and there are no excuses for obesity. Bothers me, but I still like his shows and guests and interactions. I don’t consider him gospel on anything.
A large part of that too tho is the differences between the viruses. a large part of the reason flu vaccines have limited effectiveness is that there's multiple flu strains available, and they have to guesstimate which variety will be most prevalent that year, so they make vaccines for those. Similarly, the covid vaccines were more effective for the initial virus, then became less so as variants emerged.
Maher is generally great on things. His anecdotal takes on medicine are illogical. Logic is generally his greatest strength.
Yep. That was the part that jumped out to me. That and Bill not letting Seth get more than a couple sentences in.
Start with a piss poor premise and comparison and there’s not much room for discussion.
I agree. Trying to compare the importance of the covid vaccine to the MMR vaccine is a piss poor attempt.
Bill wasn’t holding his own. The mmr series is for diseases that are highly contagious, yes. However with a novel virus you do not necessarily know the Ro of a disease. So that can’t be a reason not to mandate.
I never claimed Bill was holding his own - I just said neither guy owned the other. They both made weak points, in my opinion.
The current variants of the flu aren't nearly as debilitating as Covid. That's why they haven't been mandated. Vaccinations for highly dangerous diseases like polio, measles, etc. have been mandated for public health reasons. Because the vaccines have been so effective those diseases have almost been eradicated.
Covid is a bit different because it is respiratory and mutates frequently. That means new variants will spread rapidly which makes it dangerous and costly. With so many people refusing to take the vaccine it will be highly prevalent for the foreseeable future. Future pandemic diseases will be more deadly than necessary as well.
Because people who receive the MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule (2 doses) are usually considered protected for life against measles, mumps, and rubella. The Covid shot is seasonal and doesn't protect you from contracting or spreading it to others. One is a traditional vaccine and the other is mRNA.
According to this, the measles vaccine is 85 times more effective than the Pfizer Covid vaccine.
I am not anti-vax and I don't think the COVID shot is dangerous. You could probably say mRNA is generally safer than traditional vaccines. But like the flu shot, I don't think people should have to get it if they don't want it, and comparing it to the MMR vaccine to try and prove a point about mandates is lazy.
4 years prior to 'covid' there were 1,209 pediatric influenza deaths according to archive.cdc.gov - but their definition of pediatric is 0-17 years and for two seasons (2015-16 and 2016-17) they EXCLUDED infants in the 0-6 month age group. Hmmm...wonder why?
Whereas the CDC, when counting pediatric covid deaths, includes 0-18 yr/olds, which adds even more. If they didn't use creative (FALSE) bookkeeping methods you'd see that covid and influenza pediatric deaths are essentially identical.
Because they are. The. Same. Thing.
Whereas the CDC, when counting pediatric covid deaths, includes 0-18 yr/olds, which adds even more. If they didn't use creative (FALSE) bookkeeping methods you'd see that covid and influenza pediatric deaths are essentially identical.
Because they are. The. Same. Thing.
The mandates were due to the lethality of Covid. The Covid vaccine does make you less vulnerable and less likely to spread the disease. It is also not mandated any longer but it certainly made sense to do so at the beginning of the pandemic.Because people who receive the MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule (2 doses) are usually considered protected for life against measles, mumps, and rubella. The Covid shot is seasonal and doesn't protect you from contracting or spreading it to others. One is a traditional vaccine and the other is mRNA.
According to this, the measles vaccine is 85 times more effective than the Pfizer Covid vaccine.
I am not anti-vax and I don't think the COVID shot is dangerous. You could probably say mRNA is generally safer than traditional vaccines. But like the flu shot, I don't think people should have to get it if they don't want it, and comparing it to the MMR vaccine to try and prove a point about mandates is lazy.
Getting a vaccine is not only about protecting the person getting the shot. It's about protecting others as well. Public safety takes precedence in cases like pandemics.
That is fair, but there is one poster who only posts about vaccines.
Yes healthcare workers are routinely required to get the flu shot every year as a part of their job. This was the case before COVID.
I worked at UIHC all through college and I remember it being recommended, not required. I was pretty far down the totem pole though, so it could have been different with the doctors, nurses, etc.
The only thing I remember being required was a TB shot.
You’ve never been in the armed forces? They shove you full of all kinds of vaccines and medicines. You just do it.
At one point it was possible to keep Covid from becoming endemic.Because people who receive the MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule (2 doses) are usually considered protected for life against measles, mumps, and rubella. The Covid shot is seasonal and doesn't protect you from contracting or spreading it to others. One is a traditional vaccine and the other is mRNA.
According to this, the measles vaccine is 85 times more effective than the Pfizer Covid vaccine.
I am not anti-vax and I don't think the COVID shot is dangerous. You could probably say mRNA is generally safer than traditional vaccines. But like the flu shot, I don't think people should have to get it if they don't want it, and comparing it to the MMR vaccine to try and prove a point about mandates is lazy.
That's because measles does not mutate like Covid or influenza.
The vaccine has not needed to change over time.
And both flu and Covid have other mammalian reservoirs to mutate in. Measles does not.
Pro tip: When you use your own made up definition of a word instead of the actual definition of a word, but then expect others to accept your made up definition you just end up looking like a giant idiot.
If nothing else, the pandemic showed me how truly dumb and/or misinformed about medicine/medical science most Americans are.
Starting with Trump.
