Shogun
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After seeing Chamberlain in Centennial and The Thornbirds, I was disappointed in Shogun. If it's the Shogun I am thinking of.
My bad. I see there is a new series.
I've read it's really good but I kinda want to read the book before diving into the show. So I'll probably start watching sometime next year
We enjoyed the original series. I keep wondering if there aren't enough old mini series around to start a mini series channel.
Loved the first two episodes.
Really want to read the books now
Really want to read the books now
First two episodes were really good.
First 2 episodes were great. I love me some 17th century Samurai politics.
My only complaint is the use of the English language. For some reason I find it very odd that when they say they are going to talk in Portuguese, they continue talking in English. It takes me out of it for a second because it's a bit of a mind f*ck. When they speak in Japanese, we get subtitles. Why not just speak Portuguese with subtitles?
Shogun takes me back to my all time favorite teacher. Mr. Boyle, 7th grade social studies. We were studying European Geography at the time the original Shogun aired. I think it debuted on a Sunday. On Monday, a kid asked Mr. Boyle if he watched Shogun last night. They got in a conversation about it. Suddenly Mr. Boyle says that he's changing plans and this week we would be studying Japanese History Samurai Warriors for the rest of the week. Our assignment was to watch Shogun. So pre-internet he gathers information on 1600s Japan and we study it for the week. He just scrapped his lessons and switched directions. It was AWESOME. He was so excited to be able to have us study it. Great memory.
Back when teachers could simply teach and not be micromanaged for every moment.
Back when teachers could simply teach and not be micromanaged for every moment.
The book is so good that I’d recommend waiting to watch. It’s is long, but you’ll fly through it.
Clavell did a masterful job of building tension. You don’t know whose side anyone is really on until the end.
I loved the original. I'm hoping the release of this remake will encourage some streaming service to carry the Chamberlain version.
I did too. I was very young when I watched it but remember being mexmorized and have always wanted to get back to it. Same with "House of Dies Drear" movie I stumbled upon one day (that has nothing to do with this).
Me, too. It's excellent, so far.
One of the things that emerged more clearly in the 2nd episode was the religious conflict of the times between Catholics and Protestants. Ah, the good old days.
I'm not familiar with the Blackthorn actor from previous work, but sometimes I swear he sounds like Russell Crowe.
I'm glad they are focusing on both the internal struggles in Japan and also the geopolitical rivalries of the day. Maybe I've just forgotten but I don't think the original Shogun spent much time on geopolitics.
Of course that might not last, but I hope it does. Both are interesting.
That threw me off at first, but I finally caught on.
I like it because I hate reading subtitles, but I understand if others don't feel the same.
I love how they tie things together so far.
See him with a falcon.
See him with a small note talking about the pirate/ barbarian washed ashore.
See the man in the village sending message by falcon later to tie it all together.
I like that stuff.
Understand. I just liked Centennial and The Thorn Birds more. I have watched both of those series probably 10x.
Maybe I need to watch Shogun again.
Didn't realized it had started. Loved the original as a kid.
I was in grad school at the time. Half the students were walking around saying things in broken Japanese for the duration of the show.
In my vague recollection, one of the appeals of the show was that the viewer was forced to learn some Japanese at the same time as Blackthorn did, albeit with less pressure (and less success).
This remake isn't demanding that from us - which is probably smart.
The politics are what makes the story.
Nobunaga (Goroda in the book) was Julius Caesar. Tokugawa (Toranaga) was Augustus Caesar.
After episode two I was excited for the next to begin and then remembered they weren't all released at once. So far it looks like it'll be a great show.
Hmm, maybe I'll wait for them all to come out first. Just added to watchlist and looking forward to it.
I kinda of wish I did that; I'm a big fan of binge-watching. I guess now I have some material to look forward to each week.
Been waiting for someone to say this; I'll start watching now.
Clavell's Far East saga was some of the best reading I ever did in my younger days.
No, it’s just long. I read it as a freshman in high school.
It has a lot of the political intrigue that early Game of Thrones had. Plus it looks like they’re spending enough money to made it look decent. I’m happy with it so far.
Watched it Friday on your recommendation, thanks. It was very good. I am pretty sure I watched the original miniseries with my brother, but didn't remember. The politics of feudal Japan, intermixed with the Portuguese and Catholic attempted manipulation of the "new world," is really interesting.
Episode three has been a banger so far, halfway through. This is one of the best new shows I’ve seen on basic cable in a while.
Did anyone else not enjoy last nights episode?
Idk, something about it just felt...off.
I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one and maybe I need to rewatch it.
Idk, something about it just felt...off.
I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one and maybe I need to rewatch it.
I thought it was great. I read the book over 30 years ago, and saw the mini-series about that long ago as well. So, I am familiar with the story, but I don't remember the details very well, and it seemed like a pretty faithful adaptation of the book.
Just got back from Cleveland and jumped on third episode. Awesome.
I’ll be honest- I rewatched episode 2 after starting so 3- felt like I missed something. Specifically, about 10 min to episode 3 a female is shipped off with that group, and said she lost her child and husband- and had NO idea who that was. Upon rewatching still don’t tbh.
Also, the sailing /blockage thing didn’t track for me as it was shown.
That said, immediately looking forward to so 4. I like the “universe” they have going on.
Also, the sailing /blockage thing didn’t track for me as it was shown.
That said, immediately looking forward to so 4. I like the “universe” they have going on.
He was the guy who killed himself and the baby in episode 1 for speaking out of turn at the council meeting. That was his wife and mother of the baby. Remember he said he wanted her to be the last one to hold the baby?
Out of curiosity, has this series or the book inspired anyone to visit these places in Japan?
