We are a border school and play in South Dakota 3-4 games a year. It is awesome. Shot clock doesn't come into play very often, but it certainly changes the way the last few minutes in a close game are played. If you have a shot clock in a 1 possession game, you aren't necessarily forced to foul.
Shot Clock discussion. Thank God we have it for CBB. What about High School?
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And guys on here are bitching about how Fran and the guys play. This guy needs more time, this guy needs to be benched and so on. Go watch this kind of crap any you'll really have something to complain about..Might as well go watch a soccer match. Oh, sorry about that
The reason why there is no shot clock in HS ball(at least generally) is cost. Installing equipment and paying people to run it is significant. Some people say just install it in the main gym. So if freshmen are playing in a different gym than the varsity at the same time they play without one and the other teams play with one. Can change the game. Also at least around here there are big multi team varsity tournaments held in November and December. These frequently use several gyms at the same school for varsity games.
That being said in Houston there are some newer schools that have had shot clocks installed. Of course they arent in use for regular games. I was at one school that had them but they had been removed. The girls coach said they didnt work any more and they didnt want to spend money to replace/repair them when they werent going to be used.
I guess they could buy and have in reserve floor clocks. One time at a Houston Rockets game I was at one of the shot clocks went out. They turned off the other one and brought out floor clocks and used those(was in the first half). They managed to get the primary one fixed at half time.
I used to officiate offseason AAU girls. They had some floor clocks they used sometimes. At the time it was a 45 second clock. There was rarely a shot clock violation anyway.
That being said in Houston there are some newer schools that have had shot clocks installed. Of course they arent in use for regular games. I was at one school that had them but they had been removed. The girls coach said they didnt work any more and they didnt want to spend money to replace/repair them when they werent going to be used.
I guess they could buy and have in reserve floor clocks. One time at a Houston Rockets game I was at one of the shot clocks went out. They turned off the other one and brought out floor clocks and used those(was in the first half). They managed to get the primary one fixed at half time.
I used to officiate offseason AAU girls. They had some floor clocks they used sometimes. At the time it was a 45 second clock. There was rarely a shot clock violation anyway.
Dean Smith's team's average scoring per game for the last 10 years prior to NCAA implementing a shot clock (also pre 3pt line):
80.1
80.7
66.7
71.9
73.2
76.5
81.1
83.6
85.1
84.6
Seems like a lot of points for a team that was "stalling" and didn't have the benefit of a 3pt line.
Cost? Seriously? Of a big stop watch to hang from the wall? North and South Dakota have done it, see no reason that Iowa couldn't as well then.
So stopping the game because of a clock is a more natural storage of play? Just wondering because in my mind a more natural stoppage of play is a foul, a turn over, or the ball going out of bounds. Those happen multiple times a game, perhaps 50 or 60 times a game. Stopping play because the game clock is at zero happens exactly 2 times a game.
As for all the comments that the 4 corners isn't basketball, historically you are wrong. If it wasn't you would not have had the 10 second rule, the five second closiely guarding rule, and the shot clock. All were inacted to require teams to speed up the game.
I don't like the 4 corners but it or a style of it has been part of the game since basketballs inception.
I have voiced my opinion many of time about a 45 second shot clock in high school. Minus the money needed for shot clocks, this needs to be done. It is an absolute joke. I really do not understand the reasoning for not having a shot clock. It's beyond logic and doesn't make a lick of sense not to.
They don't do it because it bothers people like you and they get a kick out of it.
Plain and simple.
That's pathetic. Just forfeit the f***ing game if you're too scared to play.
I'll tell you what though, if someone was able to do that against the Newell-Fonda girls basketball team, it would probably be the greatest accomplishment in the history of high school basketball.
And I would laugh my a** off.......
I have zero interest in Iowa HS sports, but if I did I'd absolutely be pushing for a shot clock.
If I'm remembering correctly, Dean Smith would go into a stall when he had James Worthy and Sam Perkins on his team. Jordan might have been a freshman then. As a fan I was pissed to see talent like that just standing around on the court.
If I'm remembering correctly, Dean Smith would go into a stall when he had James Worthy and Sam Perkins on his team. Jordan might have been a freshman then. As a fan I was pissed to see talent like that just standing around on the court.
once upon a time there was a thing called lack of action . if the defense was behind and clearly not interested in coming out of their zone the ref would count to 5 give the defense a sweeping motion with their hand and tell the defense to play . if they did not he would count 5 more seconds and then give them a T . if it was the offense they had to break the hash mark out by half court within 5 seconds or be given a T after being warned . i know we did this during the late 90s
I remember those rules. Spot on. Love to see that rule enforced, create a lot more action. It'd be good for us because the Iowa zone really extends now anyway. With Ke Murry, P McC and Joey T in the front three we could make teams really struggle to get the ball across the hash if they got a 5 second warning against Iowa.
Remember, the coaches get paid for wins, not for style. But we had that shit with Lute. It was boring and hardly fool proof.
Should have it for all levels of basketball. What better way for college-bound high school players to prepare for the college game than to have college rules?
While they're at it, the 23'-9" NBA 3-pt line should be standard/universal for all levels of ball--and for all 116 genders.
While they're at it, the 23'-9" NBA 3-pt line should be standard/universal for all levels of ball--and for all 116 genders.
Doesn't bother/impact me, haven't been to HS game in a long time. But I sure don't understand the reasoning.
I have talked to acouple of AD's in Houston about it. They said the costs would be significant. 3-4K per gym. Some districts here have 11 High schools and twice as many middle schools.
Few points about this.
1.All levels would go down to MS. Cost to install clocks in MS would be a lot
2. NBA three point line for MS. Most MS girls cant shoot it that far.
3. The percentage of HS players who go on to play D1 basketball is pretty low. The percent of college players who play in the NBA is low also.
4. The purpose of HS sports is not to prepare players to be college players.
I officiated HS ball for 38 years. A MS girls game can be an exercise in futility by both teams. A seventh grade B team girls game is really bad basketball.
Announce the rule change on the shot clocks and give schools x years to get installed. If you can't fundraise or do what is required to come up with the money, then play your season on the road.
I don't know that middle school gyms need shot clocks. I don't know of any middle school games that were "important enough" for a team to stall for victory
Schools somehow were able to build gyms, put in hoops, put in large scoreboards, but can't raise money to put in a shot clock?
Right, how much do schools pony up just to equip a football team? Stadiums, gyms, coaches, transportation, weight rooms? on and on but a few measly wall clocks are going to break the bank? That's like someone driving around in a Mercedes Benz but saying they need food stamps to eat.
Like I said, there's really no reason to do it other than stall ball bothers certain people.
If it didn't, you wouldn't need to "not understand" why everyone doesn't use a shot clock in high school basketball..........
I suggest the minority deals with it.
If it didn't, you wouldn't need to "not understand" why everyone doesn't use a shot clock in high school basketball..........
I suggest the minority deals with it.
Spent 5 minutes trying to interpret the point you were trying to make but I have given up.Like I said, there's really no reason to do it other than stall ball bothers certain people.
If it didn't, you wouldn't need to "not understand" why everyone doesn't use a shot clock in high school basketball..........
I suggest the minority deals with it.
"You wouldn't need to not understand why everyone doesn't use a shot clock"??? What does that even mean? In English please
You should have written a strongly worded letter. I’m sure if Dean knew that he would have made some changes.
The issue is once you put in shot clocks and start using in one gym then there is pressure to have it in all gyms. I was the treasurer of the Houston HS BB Association in 1998-2004(800 members). The president who was a former JUCO mens coach wanted to to to 3 man officiating for varsity. Which of course costs money. There was a battle royal with AD's coaches and people within the association. A lot of it was over costs. First we started with boys. Then due to equity issues people were complaining why do the boys get 3 and the girls only 2. They had to be sold that it was a better game with 3 officials. A move to flat rates obviated most of the concerns. Also they were several fights in high level HS games that got them to agree. 3 officials pick up most all the off ball stuff that is not seen in two man
By the way its not just writing a check. Capital improvements(like shot clocks) must be passed in bond issues in this state. The Katy ISD wanted to build a new FB stadium. The first bond issue having it included failed. They had to reduce the costs of the stadium before it passed.
Also the National Federation Rules committee decides this. Presently shot clocks are optional. But making them mandatory would be a big step. Until this group makes it mandatory it will remain optionsl.
Which state? If a school is issuing bonds specifically for shot clocks, they need to have their board and administrators reviewed. I'd think that booster clubs or new fundraising would be able to cover the cost to outfit varsity/competition gyms, especially if they were given a year to prepare
Texas. It would all be so easy if it was just one gym. But unfortunately it isnt. Some schools have really good booster clubs. Some not. For instance in the Houston ISD a few schools have good booster clubs. In low income areas not so much. When my grandnephew came here from Rio 6 years ago and played HS soccer as an exchange student I asked about a booster club. They did not have one.
Here is an excerpt from an Iowa girls game. I assume there wasn’t a shot clock...lol
Lowest scoring Basketball game in high school history was a girls district tournament game in Iowa between Melvin and Sibley. Final score at the end of regulation game was 0-0. The game went into 4 overtimes and ended with Melvin coming out on top with a final score of 4-2. It will never happen again in history because girls basketball in the state of IA then was played 3 on 3 half court. Now girls high school basketball is played 5 on 5 full court.
Lowest scoring Basketball game in high school history was a girls district tournament game in Iowa between Melvin and Sibley. Final score at the end of regulation game was 0-0. The game went into 4 overtimes and ended with Melvin coming out on top with a final score of 4-2. It will never happen again in history because girls basketball in the state of IA then was played 3 on 3 half court. Now girls high school basketball is played 5 on 5 full court.
Was there really a time that it was truly just 3on3, or was this kind of a misnomer for 6 on 6 (even though you were either offense or defense). There was also a *ton* of scoring in some of those 6 girl games
Highest scoring championship game:
- The 1968 Iowa girl's state high school championship game. Union-Whitten beat Everly 113-107 in overtime. Everly's Jeanette Olson scored 76 points and Denise Long of Union-Whitten 64
The refs got tired throwing the ball to mid court after every basket. But the girls wore skirts!!!! I never missed a game....lol. It was always the same teams every year....Everly, South Hamilton -Jewel, Union Whitten, Mediapolis, Roland Story.
For me, the most comical part of 6 on 6, was when there was a loose ball at mid court. There would be 12 girls reaching for the ball, making sure they didn’t step on the half court line.
Welp, I guess the next place(s) I'm needed are at the homes of the people who influenced the decision to approve a shot clock..........................
Well hey now. Why not just make it for all high school levels, because after all we're suppose to teach all our kids about not stalling and to prepare them for the next level that the vast majority won't be playing at anyway..............
I can easily give away what the non-facetious counterarguers will say in response but I also like a fair fight, and that's never stopped people from saying exactly what I told them they were going to say anyways, because they have to scratch that invisible itch of getting their own two cents in......................
