Should Recreational Marijuana be Legal?
- Thread starter Thomas Barnes
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So everybody calls ME dumb, but do drugs like you are trying to be Michael Jackson or Elvis. How did it work for them?
THEN you make fun of me having a medical condition and trying to seek help and relief and say I am a criminal for going to doctors to treat my condition? Do you tip veterans out of their wheel chair too?? You are a piece of work!
Blah, blah, blah. Just because I have fun without drugs (unlike all of you), I'm not fun? I am sad for our country.
They get fined because it's against the law. If you break the law there is usually a fine associated with it. It's harder to detect people under the influence of marijuana because if they aren't smoking it in the car, most times it's hard to smell. With alcohol it's on their breath and easier to detect.
If I arrest someone for personal use marijuana they are out the door before I'm done with my paperwork. Jailers are getting paid the same if they are sitting or booking people in. They don't go into a holding cell and are usually out within an hour. Not sure how that is wasting time and resources.
I like that people can get insurance coverage that had to suffer or die because they are poor. I don't know about bad parts much, but I didn't read more about it than that. Why?
Start railing against these drugs 1st before you go after Mary Jane.
Recent School Shootings Linked to Psychopharmaceutical Drugs
October 12, 1995 - Blackville, South Carolina
Toby Sincino killed two teachers at Blackville-Hilda High School and then killed himself. He was taking the SSRI Zoloft.
February 2, 1996 - Moses Lake, Washington
Barry Loukaitis, age 14, shot and killed two students and one teacher and wounded one student in his algebra class. He was taking Ritalin at the time of the shooting.
October 1, 1997 - Pearl, Mississippi
Luke Woodham, age 16, killed two students and wounded seven at Pearl High School. He was taking Prozac.
December 1, 1997 - West Paducah, Kentucky
Michael Carneal, age 14, killed three fellow students and wounded five others during a prayer meeting at a high school. He was on Ritalin.
March 24, 1998 - Jonesboro, Arkansas
Andrew Golden, age 11, and Mitchell Johnson, age 13, both students at Westside Middle School, shot and killed four students and one teacher. Nine students and another teacher were wounded. Both boys were on Ritalin.
April 9, 1998 - Pocatello, Idaho
Mitchell Gushwa held several staff and students hostage with a gun at Pocatello School. He was on Zoloft.
May 1, 1998 - Buffalo, New York
Juan Roman, age 37, an Erie County deputy sheriff, hunted down his estranged wife at their children’s elementary school in Buffalo and killed her. He also shot a classroom aide, but no children were hurt. He was taking antidepressants and seeing a psychiatrist.
May 21, 1998 - Springfield, Oregon
Kip Kinkel, age 15, killed two students and wounded 22 others in the cafeteria at Thurston High School. He had been arrested and released a day earlier for bringing a gun to school. His parents were later found dead at home. He had been taking the antidepressant Prozac and amphetamine and had been attending anger control classes.
April 16, 1999 -Notus, Idaho
Shawn Cooper, age 15, fired two shotgun rounds in his school, narrowly missing students. He was taking a mix of SSRI antidepressants and Ritalin.
April 20, 1999 - Littleton, Colorado
Eric Harris, age 18, and Dylan Klebold, age 17, killed 14 students (including themselves) and one teacher. Twenty-three others were wounded at Columbine High School. Harris was on the antidepressants Luvox and Zoloft and had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting. Both shooters had been in anger-management classes and had undergone counseling. The autopsy results for Dylan Klebold were not disclosed, but it is thought he was sharing Harris’s medications.
April 28, 1999 - Taber, Alberta, Canada
Todd Cameron Smith, age14, killed one student and injured another at W.R. Myers High School. He had taken Dexadrine.
May 20, 1999 - Conyers, Georgia
Thomas Solomon, age 15, shot and wounded six students at Heritage High School. He was taking Ritalin.
Dec. 6, 1999 - Fort Gibson, Oklahoma
Seth Trickey, age 13, wounded four students at Fort Gibson Middle School using a 9-mm semiautomatic handgun. He was taking two psychotropic drugs.
January 10, 2001 -, age 17, Oxnard, California
Richard Lopez, age 17, took a fellow student hostage. He was later killed by police. He had taken Prozac and Paxil.
March 7, 2001 - Williamsport, Pennsylvania
Elizabeth Catherine Bush, age 14, wounded a fellow student at Bishop Neumann High School. She was on Paxil.
March 22, 2001 - Granite Hills, California
Jason Hoffman, age 18, shot and wounded one teacher and three students at Granite Hills High School. He was taking the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor and had been seeing a psychiatrist.
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April 15, 2001 - Mattawa, Washington
Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, took a rifle to his Wahluke High School and held 23 classmates and a teacher hostage. According to a student, “Cory was yelling and then he just stopped, looked down at the gun in his hand and woke up.” No one was hurt, and he had no memory of the incident. Three weeks before the event, he had been taken off Paxil and prescribed a high dose of the drug Effexor. He was on the varsity basketball team, played football and golf, and was very popular in school. His father said, “Cory sat in jail for 14 months before finally being released based on expert testimony by psychiatrists that his behavior was an adverse reaction to the drugs he was prescribed.”
January 16, 2002 - Grundy, Virginia
Peter Odighizuwa killed three people at the Appalachian School of Law, including the dean, a professor, and a student. He was withdrawing from an antidepressant.
January, 2003 - Elliot City, Maryland
Ryan T. Furlough, age 19, killed a Centennial High School classmate by spiking his soda with cyanide. He was on Effexor.
February 9, 2004 - East Greenbush, New York
Jon Romano, age 16, shot and wounded a special education teacher. He was on Paxil and had been seeing a psychiatrist.
March 21, 2005 - Red Lake, Minnesota
Jeff Weise, age 16, killed his grandfather and his grandfather’s girlfriend at their home, then killed a teacher, a security guard, five students, and finally himself at Red Lake High School, leaving a total of 10 dead. He had previously spent about a year and a half in a residential juvenile treatment program and had been prescribed Prozac at a highly neurotoxic dose of 60 mg a day!
April 24, 2006 - Hillsborough, NC
A student at East Chapel High School took a teacher and a fellow student hostage with a shotgun. He had just stopped taking antidepressants and an antipsychotic.
August 30, 2006 - Hillsborough, North Carolina
Alvaro Castillo, age 19, shot and killed his father, then wounded two students at Orange High School before surrendering to police. Celexa and other medications were found in his personal effects.
September 27, 2006 - Bailey, Colorado
Duane Morrison, a Platte Canyon High School student, took six female students hostage, sexually assaulted them, and then shot one of them in the back of the head before shooting himself. He was on an antidepressant.
September 29, 2006 - Cazenovia, Wisconsin
Eric Hainstock, a student at Weston High School, killed one person. He had been labeled with an ADHD diagnosis and was likely on Ritalin.
October 10, 2006 - Charleston, South Carolina
Tyrell Glover, age 19, took an air rifle to Burke High School, where he planned to hold students hostage. He was gunned down by police. He had been on an antidepressant for several years and had recently been switched to Prozac.
January 3, 2007 - Tacoma, Washington
Douglas Chanthabouly, age 18, shot a fellow student at Henry Foss High School. He had been in a psychiatric hospital because of a suicide attempt and was on an anti-psychotic.
April 16, 2007 - Blacksburg, Virginia
Cho Seung-Hui, age 23, killed 32 fellow students and wounded 15 at Virginia Tech. He then killed himself. He was on prescription medications.
October 10, 2007 - Cleveland, Ohio
Asa H. Coon, age 14, wounded two students and two teachers and then killed himself. He had been taking the antidepressant Trazodone.
January 8, 2008 - Columbia, Tennessee
A 15-year-old student at Spring Hill High School brought a semi-automatic gun to school but did not shoot anybody. He also had in his possession the antidepressant Zoloft.
January 23, 2008 - Coeur d’Alene, Idaho
Brian Gilmore was arrested in the high school parking lot of Lake City High School with three stolen high-powered rifles and ammunition. His mother stated that his previous psychiatric meds had “drastically” changed the teenager’s behavior, and his doctor had recently switched him to Prozac.
February 14, 2008 - DeKalb, Illinois
Stephen P. Kazmierczak, a former graduate student at Northern Illinois University, killed five students and wounded 17 more in a NIU classroom before killing himself. He had been seeing a psychiatrist who had him taking Prozac, Xanax, and Ambien.
February 15, 2008 - Blackfoot, Idaho
Curtis Kofoed, age 16, took a handgun to Snake River High School, but did not shoot anybody. Eight hours later, he killed himself. He had depression problems in the past and was taking an antidepressant.
August 28, 2008 - Boerne, Texas
Allen Doelitsch, age 18, was jailed for asking a 14-year-old friend to join him in a “Columbine-style” attack. He had been depressed and had recently stopped his bipolar medication because of the side effects.
November 10, 2009 - Pine Plains, New York
Christopher Craft Sr., age 43, a graduate of Stissing High School, took middle school principal Robert Hess hostage with a shotgun. He had been on Cymbalta for depression.
February 5, 2012 - Huntsville, Alabama
Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a Discover Middle School student. He had a history of being treated for ADHD and depression. He had been seeing a psychiatrist and a psychologist and was taking the antidepressant Zoloft and “other drugs.”
December 14, 2012 - Newtown, Connecticut
Adam Lanza, age 24, killed his mother at her home and then killed 20 children and six staff members at the Sandy Hook Elementary School. He reportedly committed suicide at the scene. According to the Washington Post and other witnesses, Lanza was on a psychotropic medication.
http://duluthreader.com/articles/2013/01/31/1405_guns_and_drugs_dont_mix
Recent School Shootings Linked to Psychopharmaceutical Drugs
October 12, 1995 - Blackville, South Carolina
Toby Sincino killed two teachers at Blackville-Hilda High School and then killed himself. He was taking the SSRI Zoloft.
February 2, 1996 - Moses Lake, Washington
Barry Loukaitis, age 14, shot and killed two students and one teacher and wounded one student in his algebra class. He was taking Ritalin at the time of the shooting.
October 1, 1997 - Pearl, Mississippi
Luke Woodham, age 16, killed two students and wounded seven at Pearl High School. He was taking Prozac.
December 1, 1997 - West Paducah, Kentucky
Michael Carneal, age 14, killed three fellow students and wounded five others during a prayer meeting at a high school. He was on Ritalin.
March 24, 1998 - Jonesboro, Arkansas
Andrew Golden, age 11, and Mitchell Johnson, age 13, both students at Westside Middle School, shot and killed four students and one teacher. Nine students and another teacher were wounded. Both boys were on Ritalin.
April 9, 1998 - Pocatello, Idaho
Mitchell Gushwa held several staff and students hostage with a gun at Pocatello School. He was on Zoloft.
May 1, 1998 - Buffalo, New York
Juan Roman, age 37, an Erie County deputy sheriff, hunted down his estranged wife at their children’s elementary school in Buffalo and killed her. He also shot a classroom aide, but no children were hurt. He was taking antidepressants and seeing a psychiatrist.
May 21, 1998 - Springfield, Oregon
Kip Kinkel, age 15, killed two students and wounded 22 others in the cafeteria at Thurston High School. He had been arrested and released a day earlier for bringing a gun to school. His parents were later found dead at home. He had been taking the antidepressant Prozac and amphetamine and had been attending anger control classes.
April 16, 1999 -Notus, Idaho
Shawn Cooper, age 15, fired two shotgun rounds in his school, narrowly missing students. He was taking a mix of SSRI antidepressants and Ritalin.
April 20, 1999 - Littleton, Colorado
Eric Harris, age 18, and Dylan Klebold, age 17, killed 14 students (including themselves) and one teacher. Twenty-three others were wounded at Columbine High School. Harris was on the antidepressants Luvox and Zoloft and had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting. Both shooters had been in anger-management classes and had undergone counseling. The autopsy results for Dylan Klebold were not disclosed, but it is thought he was sharing Harris’s medications.
April 28, 1999 - Taber, Alberta, Canada
Todd Cameron Smith, age14, killed one student and injured another at W.R. Myers High School. He had taken Dexadrine.
May 20, 1999 - Conyers, Georgia
Thomas Solomon, age 15, shot and wounded six students at Heritage High School. He was taking Ritalin.
Dec. 6, 1999 - Fort Gibson, Oklahoma
Seth Trickey, age 13, wounded four students at Fort Gibson Middle School using a 9-mm semiautomatic handgun. He was taking two psychotropic drugs.
January 10, 2001 -, age 17, Oxnard, California
Richard Lopez, age 17, took a fellow student hostage. He was later killed by police. He had taken Prozac and Paxil.
March 7, 2001 - Williamsport, Pennsylvania
Elizabeth Catherine Bush, age 14, wounded a fellow student at Bishop Neumann High School. She was on Paxil.
March 22, 2001 - Granite Hills, California
Jason Hoffman, age 18, shot and wounded one teacher and three students at Granite Hills High School. He was taking the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor and had been seeing a psychiatrist.
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April 15, 2001 - Mattawa, Washington
Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, took a rifle to his Wahluke High School and held 23 classmates and a teacher hostage. According to a student, “Cory was yelling and then he just stopped, looked down at the gun in his hand and woke up.” No one was hurt, and he had no memory of the incident. Three weeks before the event, he had been taken off Paxil and prescribed a high dose of the drug Effexor. He was on the varsity basketball team, played football and golf, and was very popular in school. His father said, “Cory sat in jail for 14 months before finally being released based on expert testimony by psychiatrists that his behavior was an adverse reaction to the drugs he was prescribed.”
January 16, 2002 - Grundy, Virginia
Peter Odighizuwa killed three people at the Appalachian School of Law, including the dean, a professor, and a student. He was withdrawing from an antidepressant.
January, 2003 - Elliot City, Maryland
Ryan T. Furlough, age 19, killed a Centennial High School classmate by spiking his soda with cyanide. He was on Effexor.
February 9, 2004 - East Greenbush, New York
Jon Romano, age 16, shot and wounded a special education teacher. He was on Paxil and had been seeing a psychiatrist.
March 21, 2005 - Red Lake, Minnesota
Jeff Weise, age 16, killed his grandfather and his grandfather’s girlfriend at their home, then killed a teacher, a security guard, five students, and finally himself at Red Lake High School, leaving a total of 10 dead. He had previously spent about a year and a half in a residential juvenile treatment program and had been prescribed Prozac at a highly neurotoxic dose of 60 mg a day!
April 24, 2006 - Hillsborough, NC
A student at East Chapel High School took a teacher and a fellow student hostage with a shotgun. He had just stopped taking antidepressants and an antipsychotic.
August 30, 2006 - Hillsborough, North Carolina
Alvaro Castillo, age 19, shot and killed his father, then wounded two students at Orange High School before surrendering to police. Celexa and other medications were found in his personal effects.
September 27, 2006 - Bailey, Colorado
Duane Morrison, a Platte Canyon High School student, took six female students hostage, sexually assaulted them, and then shot one of them in the back of the head before shooting himself. He was on an antidepressant.
September 29, 2006 - Cazenovia, Wisconsin
Eric Hainstock, a student at Weston High School, killed one person. He had been labeled with an ADHD diagnosis and was likely on Ritalin.
October 10, 2006 - Charleston, South Carolina
Tyrell Glover, age 19, took an air rifle to Burke High School, where he planned to hold students hostage. He was gunned down by police. He had been on an antidepressant for several years and had recently been switched to Prozac.
January 3, 2007 - Tacoma, Washington
Douglas Chanthabouly, age 18, shot a fellow student at Henry Foss High School. He had been in a psychiatric hospital because of a suicide attempt and was on an anti-psychotic.
April 16, 2007 - Blacksburg, Virginia
Cho Seung-Hui, age 23, killed 32 fellow students and wounded 15 at Virginia Tech. He then killed himself. He was on prescription medications.
October 10, 2007 - Cleveland, Ohio
Asa H. Coon, age 14, wounded two students and two teachers and then killed himself. He had been taking the antidepressant Trazodone.
January 8, 2008 - Columbia, Tennessee
A 15-year-old student at Spring Hill High School brought a semi-automatic gun to school but did not shoot anybody. He also had in his possession the antidepressant Zoloft.
January 23, 2008 - Coeur d’Alene, Idaho
Brian Gilmore was arrested in the high school parking lot of Lake City High School with three stolen high-powered rifles and ammunition. His mother stated that his previous psychiatric meds had “drastically” changed the teenager’s behavior, and his doctor had recently switched him to Prozac.
February 14, 2008 - DeKalb, Illinois
Stephen P. Kazmierczak, a former graduate student at Northern Illinois University, killed five students and wounded 17 more in a NIU classroom before killing himself. He had been seeing a psychiatrist who had him taking Prozac, Xanax, and Ambien.
February 15, 2008 - Blackfoot, Idaho
Curtis Kofoed, age 16, took a handgun to Snake River High School, but did not shoot anybody. Eight hours later, he killed himself. He had depression problems in the past and was taking an antidepressant.
August 28, 2008 - Boerne, Texas
Allen Doelitsch, age 18, was jailed for asking a 14-year-old friend to join him in a “Columbine-style” attack. He had been depressed and had recently stopped his bipolar medication because of the side effects.
November 10, 2009 - Pine Plains, New York
Christopher Craft Sr., age 43, a graduate of Stissing High School, took middle school principal Robert Hess hostage with a shotgun. He had been on Cymbalta for depression.
February 5, 2012 - Huntsville, Alabama
Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a Discover Middle School student. He had a history of being treated for ADHD and depression. He had been seeing a psychiatrist and a psychologist and was taking the antidepressant Zoloft and “other drugs.”
December 14, 2012 - Newtown, Connecticut
Adam Lanza, age 24, killed his mother at her home and then killed 20 children and six staff members at the Sandy Hook Elementary School. He reportedly committed suicide at the scene. According to the Washington Post and other witnesses, Lanza was on a psychotropic medication.
http://duluthreader.com/articles/2013/01/31/1405_guns_and_drugs_dont_mix
Why did you give me a list of mentally ill people? That just shows we have a gun problem and drugs are still bad. How do these troubled kids get guns so easy?
Chemical brain imbalance is a made up diagnosis for the benefit of Big Pharma. Search Dr. Peter Breggin, Harvard Psychiatrist, who has testified before the VA. The reason that I brought this up is because you offered a twofer in one night (gun control and pot). These two threads are intertwined. You sincerely seem to desire a more peaceful world. I'm in your corner. I think you're going about it the wrong way.
End the insane War on Drugs. It's a War on Freedom. The criminalization of drugs makes the world more violent and FBI stats support this. Crime jumped 70 % when the 18th amendment was passed. It gave birth to Bugs Moran, Al Capone et al. They regulated their own markets at the barrel of a gun. When the 21st amendment was passed, crime dropped to their 18th amendment level. In Lucky Luciano's auto bio, he said he had FDR on his payroll while Gov of NY. LL was pissed that FDR turned his back on him and repealed Prohibition. Now everybody was getting into the act and a monopoly was lost.
I won't even take Tylenol. So, don't confuse me with a doper.
Now imagine you could instead focus your efforts on actual crime and help make a difference in your community...
Because that arrest accomplished nothing. That person will use marijuana again. You didn't change their behavior and likely just left behind another person with a negative opinion of cops.
Negative opinion for doing my job? If that's the case too bad. Don't forget we don't make the laws.
I don't really get this argument. Would it be that much more profound than the #s that drink and drive? I don't want a bunch of high drivers out there, but I'm not sure that's worth stocking our prisons with pot heads.
Personal use is a fine, but then eventually we're taking down the dealers and suppliers. Legalize it and it's a legitimate business. Be totally draconian with anyone freelancing on the black market. It decriminalizes the whole thing and would presumably allow LEOs to focus more on the harder street drugs and other crimes. I'm really hard-pressed to find any significant negatives to legalization. We already have drunk drivers. We already have stoned drivers. Let's just take it out of the hands of the criminals and use some of the taxes from sales for other drug enforcement.
My first question was dumb to a cop, I realize you are doing your job...I should have put it as rhetorical.
Are stoned people easier or more difficult than drunk people for you to deal with? Leave driving out of it for now, just compare your interaction with the individuals.
I don't understand the "tax and regulate" stance from the pro-legalization crowd. Does anyone really think a $17 trillion + debt arose from not having a big enough cash flow? And how many of the 50 states are running a budget in the black? There's very little to be gained from increased taxes that won't be pissed away in a relatively short time.
It's a damn plant. Let people smoke it, eat it or do whatever the hell they want with it. The pharmaceutical companies are very concerned about how much business they stand to lose if it's legalized as approximately 10% of Americans take anti-depressants. The propaganda would have you believe it's more dangerous to drive 45mph in a 55mph zone than it is to 'go postal' after quitting your Zoloft.
It's a damn plant. Let people smoke it, eat it or do whatever the hell they want with it. The pharmaceutical companies are very concerned about how much business they stand to lose if it's legalized as approximately 10% of Americans take anti-depressants. The propaganda would have you believe it's more dangerous to drive 45mph in a 55mph zone than it is to 'go postal' after quitting your Zoloft.
No, you don't. But, everyday you use your discretion over which ones you'll enforce. Everyone exceeding the speed limit isn't getting a ticket. Warnings are given when officers choose to do so. You have more flexibility than you're implying you do.
This can't be emphasized enough, actually. Cops DO have the discretion as to what they will bust someone on or not. The speed limit, running red lights, anything that qualifies is a "I can bust them or I can let them go." situation. I know some friends who live on the Big Island of Hawaii and they say that the police there turn their heads to pot all the time, unless you're blatantly out in public with total disregard.
This doesn't make much sense to me, legal mary jane isn't cheap. Why would someone drop a prescription that costs $20 copay to start smoking weed at $320 an ounce?I don't understand the "tax and regulate" stance from the pro-legalization crowd. Does anyone really think a $17 trillion + debt arose from not having a big enough cash flow? And how many of the 50 states are running a budget in the black? There's very little to be gained from increased taxes that won't be pissed away in a relatively short time.
It's a damn plant. Let people smoke it, eat it or do whatever the hell they want with it. The pharmaceutical companies are very concerned about how much business they stand to lose if it's legalized as approximately 10% of Americans take anti-depressants. The propaganda would have you believe it's more dangerous to drive 45mph in a 55mph zone than it is to 'go postal' after quitting your Zoloft.
That's where the 'de-regulation' comes in, beaner. Within a few short years and tens of thousands of Americans growing marijuana in their gardens and on their porches, you would probably be able to buy it for less than $50 an ounce, that is if you chose not to grow it yourself.
The only law that should apply to marijuana is this: "All federal lawmakers and bureaucrats shall be required to be stoned each and every day of their employment." Maybe it would put a stop to our endless wars when all they would feel like doing is kicking back with a box of ding dongs or ho ho's. Couldn't be any worse than what we're dealing with now.
That's where the 'de-regulation' comes in, beaner. Within a few short years and tens of thousands of Americans growing marijuana in their gardens and on their porches, you would probably be able to buy it for less than $50 an ounce, that is if you chose not to grow it yourself.
The only law that should apply to marijuana is this: "All federal lawmakers and bureaucrats shall be required to be stoned each and every day of their employment." Maybe it would put a stop to our endless wars when all they would feel like doing is kicking back with a box of ding dongs or ho ho's. Couldn't be any worse than what we're dealing with now.
Yes we do have discretion to a certain point, but we also take an oath to uphold the law. Minor things like traffic offenses yes we can give warnings, but arrestable offenses are going to be enforced most of the time. A lot of that has to do with how sue happy everyone is. You let a drunk or high person go with a warning for owi because they are almost home. Now the person goes home and falls down the steps or gets back into the car to go to the store and hits and injures or kills someone. Who do you think they are going to go after? They'll say if I would have done my job I could have prevented it. It's unfortunate, but a lot of discretion doesn't get used because I don't want to be held liable if something happens.
I wish I had not started this. It's depressing to see the results. Nobody cares about themselves anymore.
Medical prices are closer to $200 an ounce and most pharmaceuticals have awful side effects
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