Should we be forced by the BOR to play UNI every year?
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How can we force the BOR to take back their questionable hire of the new president of U of I?
BOR and Bradstad made up their minds on who's the new president would be, had him do an initial interview a month before the formal interview process. His credentials are fine for a business but not a flagship research university. Has no PhD in anything and no real academic background to lead such a big university. He would be fine for a private college or smaller university but not IA. The hiring process for ISU was better or at least seems more legitimate. This is an off topic subject though.
Meh, no big deal. Universities are a business. There are enough academic people involved with the U of I that nothing will fall off the map. I am sick of the overly academic people anyways. Lets get a guy in there that is going to support our AD. A company man if you will.
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On topic: no. That's not their job. However I don't mind us playing those home and home games. I don't think this will happen again while Barta and/or Fran are here. I think it was the last time we played in Cedar Falls 4-5 years ago. The contract was expiring and ISU and Iowa were both a bit lukewarm on renewing since they were both moving to an 18 game conference schedule. So Iowa gets 4 technical fouls in a close game within a couple minutes that flips the game, Missouri Valley officials and Fran gets escorted out by security after getting ejected. UNI took like twice as many 3s but went to the line 33 times vs. 6 or something. So Iowa comes in and says Des Moines or nothing.
If the regents are trying to step in I have to question what their authority is to do it. They don't fund Iowa athletics and our department should do what's best for our program, not Iowa State or UNI.
If the regents are trying to step in I have to question what their authority is to do it. They don't fund Iowa athletics and our department should do what's best for our program, not Iowa State or UNI.
They don't deserve a home game after that last one up there. They can kiss our ass. Des Moines, Iowa City, or no.
Also, the BOR would step in because its good for the state.
Also, the BOR would step in because its good for the state.
As a general rule, a board such as this is about oversight of processes and ensures integrity in the spending of public funds.
On topic: They should not be interfering in any way who the basketball team is scheduled to play.
Off topic: They failed in their primary function in the U of I president search on both counts.
On topic: They should not be interfering in any way who the basketball team is scheduled to play.
Off topic: They failed in their primary function in the U of I president search on both counts.
Great selling point to attract students. Most PhD's are about as good as cheap toilet paper. If that is the kind of attitude of folks who support the current U of I President, I think his support could be more harmful to him than his detractors.
But back to the topic. No, the Board of Regents don't get to force the U of I to play anyone. Personally, I think there should be a true four team tournament every year in either Ames or Iowa City. With of course Drake and UNI facing either State or the Hawkeyes first every other year. There could be a consolation game to ensure each team gets two games in. And that's about as kind as I think the U of I should be. Our home game schedule is already hampered by playing a game in Des Moines every year.
At least this gets rid of that neutral court thing. If I were deciding things for the Hawkeyes, it would be this or nothing at all.
But back to the topic. No, the Board of Regents don't get to force the U of I to play anyone. Personally, I think there should be a true four team tournament every year in either Ames or Iowa City. With of course Drake and UNI facing either State or the Hawkeyes first every other year. There could be a consolation game to ensure each team gets two games in. And that's about as kind as I think the U of I should be. Our home game schedule is already hampered by playing a game in Des Moines every year.
At least this gets rid of that neutral court thing. If I were deciding things for the Hawkeyes, it would be this or nothing at all.
Yes, because the only reason kids come to school is because of the President and if he has a Ph D. Am I right?
The President of the school I went to had NOTHING to do with why I went to school there. I went there because their accounting program was strong, their job placement was excellent, and their CPA pass rate was very high.
LMFAO at you people thinking this is the Ivy league. We are the second worst academic school in the BIG 10. As long as the current Pres doesn't mess with the hospital, I could care less if the guy had a 2 year degree from Devry. Some of you think more of Iowa academics than the rest of the world. Lets get real and get off our high horses.
Lao, I'm sure the condescension was unintentional. You think University administration couldn't be improved by introduction of economies, productivity and management found in business? The University of Iowa is pissing millions down the drain. Most of that is tax money either paid directly or indirectly through student loans. Its generating thousands of graduates who ultimately contribute nothing to the general welfare and prosperity.
Although you may find me unqualified to comment on academic matters; I've only got a double major history/philosophy BA, econ MA, military history MFA and a JD.
Although you may find me unqualified to comment on academic matters; I've only got a double major history/philosophy BA, econ MA, military history MFA and a JD.
Can't do the tournament because of UNI and Drake being in the same league. The NCAA granted a couple waivers in the last few years for tournaments arranged prior to conferences realigning but I think as a general rule the conference teams can not be in the same tournament bracket.
No, but we shouldn't need the BOR to compel Iowa to play this game annually. I think its unfortunate Iowa has elected to not play UNI annually. The game would annually provide Iowa with a challenging opponent in the non-conference, especially when played in Cedar Falls.
I would be fine with the Big4 classic, but only if it was a 2 day event where Iowa played UNI and Drake and ISU played Drake and UNI. The way the format is now is a missed opportunity in my opinion. You could potentially get 40,000 fans of the schools combined staying in DSM for a night, going out to eat and attending the basketball games. It would be a fun weekend, Friday and Saturday night games.
So no, I don't think the BOR should be forced to get involved, the UofI should simply agree to play both UNI, ISU and Drake annually, end of story. Some might say an Iowa vs. UNI only benefits UNI, and i think that is false. We shouldn't be worried about losing recruits to UNI, typically we are recruiting from a different pool of players. Furthermore, UNI is a tough opponent, and the atmosphere in Cedar Falls is a good, hostile environment, and would be good preparation for entering the B1G regular season in years we play at their house.
Get the Big 4 to be a two day event, or simply agree to play UNI, ISU and UNI home and home each year. We struggle to get 6k in the arena for a game against an ACC opponent, I can guarantee the attendance would be much greater at Carver if UNI was playing. The game makes sense on so many levels and its shame they went to this short sighted one game format in the Big4 Classic.
Based on self-sustainment I don't think the BOR or even the Governor should dictate who Iowa plays and where.
Having worked at the University for 27 years I know exactly what the problems are with higher education...but it doesn't belong on the Basketball forum.
Having worked at the University for 27 years I know exactly what the problems are with higher education...but it doesn't belong on the Basketball forum.
I say play UNI in Carver ever year and in exchange we drop the clowns from the football schedule.
I think the four schools should go back to the round-robin and get rid of that travesty at Wells Fargo. This isn't football.
Fran will never ply at UNI after the treatment given the last time.
Fran seems to have a better handle on his emotions the past year...perhaps he should try again. Not suggesting we weren't on the receiving end of some bad calls, but seems a little childish to say we're taking our ball and going home forever after one bad incident, don't you think?
I don't agree. What's childish about not wanting to get caught up in another game like that one? I think it's smart. More like, we got mugged once up there why should we take the chance and go back? What's in it for us?
Laughing at the guy ripping on Iowa education quality. Sorry we don't fit your idea of wine and cheese snobbery. The education received at Iowa is world class assuming you can bother yourself to actually look at it. As far as what the rest of the world thinks? You sound like the idiots that think life is a failure if your kid doesn't get into the Ivy League.
As I mentioned, the game is compelling within the state of Iowa, provides Iowa with a quality non-conference opponent, along with a hostile environment to play in when at their house, and would add a lot more value to our team versus playing the half dozen or so teams we do that have RPI's near or above 300 which is generally the case each season with our non-conference schedule.
I totally understand why some folks would agree with Fran that we boycott playing in Cedar Falls again, I simply don't agree with it. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this topic Dan.
There is nothing wrong with being critical with knowledgeable fairness about Iowa or any other higher education institution...especially when thousands of young people graduate with thousands of $ in debt....a debt that pays for a lot of non-academic salaries.
The snobbery started with people crapping on our new President. I just said, we aren't as great as some of you think. If it was all about the President, I wouldn't recommend Iowa to anyone under Sally Mason.
I understand but there are ALOT of problems with higher ed. I've see it first hand. That's all Im saying.
Oh, I know. I was saddled with some major debt by the time I was done with my Masters. And the stuff a lot of schools are claiming and telling kids, just isn't reality. I cant tell you how many times they claimed we would make x amount of money coming out of school. That was just flat out untrue. I feel sorry for these kids now. I would equate student loans to the mortgage crises of a few years back. Its about to hit the fan.
I am fine with a business minded President without a Ph D.
Especially when they had their cops out there flexing their muscles at Fran.
Yeah, what a joke. I am glad we will never play up there again. But playing them in Des Moines, Iowa City, or the Quad Cities every year would be ok with me. I still want to play them, but yet punish them for that train wreck up there.
I think if North Carolina is willing to take the nation's top-ranked team to UNI, it's a little bizarre for Iowa to refuse.
Get back to us when UNC plays there every other year. I'm all for playing UNI every year at Carver, not in Cedar Falls.
Call me ignorant but I don't follow the Cyclones. When is the last time they played at UNI?
Really? lol No but there is some bad blood from the ADs, clearly. Someone needs to step in and fix this, and basically tell UNI you will play Iowa wherever they tell you to play them.
ISU and UNI had home-and-home until the "Big Four" crap was introduced a couple of years ago. Not positive it was absolutely every other year, but I think it was. (Just looked it up; they didn't play in '05-'06). Fred lost at Cedar Falls. So did McDermott. For many, many years ISU and Drake played home-and-home; EVERY SEASON. That is, they played twice a year. Great rivalry, some great games when Maury John was at Drake.
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Good. So how about the Clones abandon the "Big Four" concept and play Drake and UNI home and away, and the Hawkeyes will do what the Hawkeyes decide for themselves.
