Most would lose far more on losing their husband's income, I hardly think a tax credit is going to change their behavior.
Should we incentivize two parent households within the tax code?
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Most would lose far more on losing their husband's income, I hardly think a tax credit is going to change their behavior.
Then this is an incentive for the abuser to not let the abuser leave
I think we all agree single mother is better than an abusive father in the house, yes?
As a divorced/remarried parent, you're correct to some extent. Getting women out of abusive marriages without the taboo stink is a great advancement. However, couples don't want to work through the hard parts of marriage all too often. "I've fallen out of love. Goodbye".
According to this Forbes article, divorce for abuse accounts for only 3% of divorces.
Lack of family support - 43%
Infidelity or extramarital affairs - 34%
Lack of compatibility - 31%
Lack of intimacy - 31%
Too much conflict or arguing - 31%
Financial stress - 24%
Lack of commitment - 23%
Parenting differences - 20%
Marrying too young - 10%
Opposing values or morals - 6%
Substance abuse - 3%
Domestic violence (physical and/or emotional) - 3%
Pursing different lifestyles - 1%
Leading Causes Of Divorce: 43% Report Lack Of Family Support
Even with the best online divorce services, divorce can be a difficult process. That's why it's important to understand the signs of divorce and some common causes of divorce. Understanding why marriages fail can help you to make your own union stronger if you are married, it can guide you in mak
www.forbes.com
I'm willing to agree to a construction of the tax code that levies substantial tax burdens on spousal abusers.
Abusive people already have incentives to try to prevent someone from leaving.
Yes, but why should we forget something that could help families and incentivize families over some bad actors?
There are lots of shitty families that don't do anything for their kids. Should we take away the child tax credit because of those bad actors?
It feels like certain types of people are opposed to the very idea that marriage and parents staying together is a good thing and should be encouraged. I don't know why they are opposed to this idea other than "it sounds socially conservative so therefore I must hate it."
Are ya'll certain that BelemNole isn't the same poster as that Joe who knows everything guy? I don't think, "My bad", "you make a good point" or "I was wrong" is in their vocabulary. Their wives probably have a support group. LOL
I agree so we shouldn't let them drive!!!
Guarantee more moms die from car accidents than murder. So let's take away their licenses!!!
It's a dumb excuse in both cases!
No, I'm concerned the damage this could do to domestic violence abuse victims. I think that concern trumps all others.
Yup. Alaska guy posted some stats above.
Here's another one: 13.6 million single parent households raising 21 million children
If you turn it into a percentage it's still 3 dead women a day.As a divorced/remarried parent, you're correct to some extent. Getting women out of abusive marriages without the taboo stink is a great advancement. However, couples don't want to work through the hard parts of marriage all too often. "I've fallen out of love. Goodbye".
According to this Forbes article, divorce for abuse accounts for only 3% of divorces.
Lack of family support - 43%
Infidelity or extramarital affairs - 34%
Lack of compatibility - 31%
Lack of intimacy - 31%
Too much conflict or arguing - 31%
Financial stress - 24%
Lack of commitment - 23%
Parenting differences - 20%
Marrying too young - 10%
Opposing values or morals - 6%
Substance abuse - 3%
Domestic violence (physical and/or emotional) - 3%
Pursing different lifestyles - 1%
Leading Causes Of Divorce: 43% Report Lack Of Family Support
Even with the best online divorce services, divorce can be a difficult process. That's why it's important to understand the signs of divorce and some common causes of divorce. Understanding why marriages fail can help you to make your own union stronger if you are married, it can guide you in mak
But sure, let's make things harder, what could it hurt. I mean, other than a 4th woman a day.
In a case like that the child of these two parents would have known the event was canceled because they had an alternative parenting situation. Unnecessary cruelty if it had happened.
You all handled it really well. Kudos.
My late husband’s father walked off with another woman leaving his wife with four kids under the age of 10. Bad situation especially in the early 60’s when most kids still lived in a two parent home. Financial problems were real, and his Dad basically estranged himself from the kids. My Mother in Law had to go to court on more than one occasion to get monies owed. And he was not financially strapped either. He was just a jerk.
The effect on my husband was to work hard every day to be an outstanding Dad to his own children. And he was.
Yeah. We should also stop promoting and funding public education because of its direct link to school shootings. The safety of our children trumps everything else. Homeschooling is the only answer. Such a good point you and Belem are the only ones making here.
It seems like a stretch that a tax credit is going to affect domestic abuse victims.
Why would we possibly want to incentivize something that, by almost every statistical measure, is correlated with positive long term outcomes?
I think it would mostly be for show not results. How many people do you think will stay married for a little extra tax credit? I'm not necessarily against the idea, but most likely it would be a feel good policy that actually doesn't achieve the desired results.
Do abusive husbands murder their wives because they lose out on the child tax credit when the children end up with the wife? Should we get rid of that tax credit too?
Seems to me that abuse and abusers who murder their spouse has a heck of a lot more to do with ego and power than with tax credits. I mean you are talking about someone who theoretically wouldn't murder their spouse due to their shaddered ego or their need to take complete power over someone else, but would be thrown over the line because he lost a tax credit worth a few thousand dollars.
Honestly I think that's ridiculous. Abusive spouses arn't that way because of some financial calculations. Most abusive spouses probably don't want their spouse to even work because it lowers their power over them. They arn't doing it for the money they are doing it for the power.
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I'm saying the tax break provides incentive for abusers to stay with the abused and vice versa, not that tax causes abusers to abuse.
And as I pointed out the loss of income is a much bigger incentive than a couple thousand dollar tax break. We going to illegalize husbands making an income?
And honestly the person that needs to leave is the abused. You arn't going to convince the abuser to leave, life's cushy for them they have a personal slave that obeys them out of fear. They arn't giving that up of their own accord. But they arn't going to suddenly get more violent because of a tax credit. Being able to enforce complete power over a person via fear is much more important than money.
Our tax code already does that. Should we stop allowing people to file jointly? You’re for ending that, correct? I mean…the abused trumping everything else and all.
The IRS strongly encourages most couples to file joint tax returns by extending several tax breaks to those who file together. In the vast majority of cases, it's best for married couples to file jointly, but there may be a few instances when it's better to submit separate returns.
It is difficult for the abused to leave these situations, and I am concerned this theoretical tax proposal will make it even harder.
Two parent homes was my initial thought. It's not like I've done a 400 page proposal on it.
And again, why don't you think that about our current tax plan which rewards filing jointly? Surely those same mean spouses are currently trapping their abused partners for tax purposes. No?
Honestly I think the abuse herring is just something they throw in because it sounds too socially conservative to reward people for staying married.
I can't imagine with all the other difficulties of getting out of an abusive situation anyone is going to stop and think "Gee this is really gonna mess around with my 1040's"
Two parent homes unmarried is different than married. And you're now comparing to filing status, vs a credit. The refundable credits for children do create a perverse incentive to have more children, even if the parent can't afford them. Your proposed idea will have negative consequences as well.
That joint status provides a monetary benefit. Something you seem to think will trap people in abusive relationships. And you can't bring yourself to imagine the same faux negative consequences of it.
