Since there’s an inverse correlation between the number of white guys and success...
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It's called an anomaly. And one that has to do more with coaching than anything.
Besides, outside of Wisconsin and maybe Butler, all those teams you mentioned had more black players than white.
Again, this conversation is pointless. No one denies there are good white players.
Stfu lol. When did I ever say in there that Iowa was a racist school u dumb bitch. I was just saying that Iowa has a prototype of player they like and they go after them hard. Most of the time they happen to be white. I was not at all saying that they can only be white. Look at all the black guys on the team other then Tyler cook. There usually tall and can shoot but aren’t very athletic. You are literally the one who made this about politics. And the points made above only strengthen what I said. Yes If you took all the best white players in college basketball and put them on one team, it wouldn’t even be close they’d kill everyone. But thats not how it works. They are dispersed among all teams. Iowa just has an extremely high concentration of white guys. To deny that is to deny reality u dumb ass. U can disagree with me on the point that Iowa purposely recruits mostly white guys, but you can’t say they aren’t predominantly white. Go stick ur head in the sand some more. I’m one of the biggest haters of race/gender politics there is, but I don’t deny reality
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I don't know, but maybe they should have used the football model and stood pat with the coach instead of running Davis and starting the roller coaster of new coaches that most schools are on in football or basketball? I mean are we better off today the when Dr. Tom coached Iowa? I realize that he'd be retired by now, but who knows where we'd be if he had eased in a successor after a number of years, instead of the Alfraud to Lick to Fran years? I know hindsight.......
There's no doubt Iowa has one of the whitest basketball programs in America. Many of the Ivy League schools even have more color than the Hawks ... If you think a roster of full of white players is the ticket to conference titles, etc., ... well ...
He’s not wrong that the worst conferences like the SWAC and MEAC
I don't know, but maybe they should have used the football model and stood pat with the coach instead of running Davis and starting the roller coaster of new coaches that most schools are on in football or basketball? I mean are we better off today the when Dr. Tom coached Iowa? I realize that he'd be retired by now, but who knows where we'd be if he had eased in a successor after a number of years, instead of the Alfraud to Lick to Fran years? I know hindsight.......
Are we better off? No. We went through a lot of shit as a basketball program in order to finally get back to post Raveling, Tom Davis like results. I was happy, as were quite a few others, when Alford was hired because we were sold on “next level” results. Sadly, we know how that turned out.
ESPN-and when I discuss rankings I stick with ESPN rather than cherry pick others. Similar metrics year to year.
Connor was 92nd.
Jordan was lower than 100 but still a 4*. If you look at the grades Jordan's grade (80) put him in a tie somewhere between what I recall was 104 and around 120 nationally. Same with Isaiah Moss; his grade was lower than top 100 but landed somewhere between 100 and around 120.
I know other people inform from other recruiting services. ESPN claims to have the largest number of scouts, contributors and analysts. It seems like they use fairly stable metrics from year to year. They usually have around 20 kids as 4* that miss the top 100.
Didn't we just sign an AA transfer and an AA 4* PG? The real bottom line is simple. Iowa has to sign players that want to sign with Iowa, regardless of ethnicity. We chased that one little puke that gave it up like Lindsey Lohan the minute Kentucky called, after they dissed him for three years. I think his name was Ulis, but not sure. Is there a pool of AA players on whom Iowa passed to sign white kids? Guessing not.
Unlike many schools, Iowa State and the entire SEC for example, the U culture at Iowa does not allow the staff to gamble on marginal kids that are superior players. Ray Thompson a mere f up, and the two actual psychopaths PP and Tyler Smith certainly poisoned that well. How fast did Iowa dump that JUCO that was in prison-ended up at Nebraska?
Its really hard in the social media cable sports world for a less than luminous program like Iowa to get the top flight player that also is a good student and citizen. That's how we ended up with guys like Pierce and Smith. They weren't at the blue blood programs because Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, etc... didn't want them.
Hell I heard some guys on Mad Dog (I think) a couple of years ago talking about Duke doesn't take kids from broken families? Don't know if its true but it certainly illustrates the difference between recruiting at Duke and Iowa.
Unlike many schools, Iowa State and the entire SEC for example, the U culture at Iowa does not allow the staff to gamble on marginal kids that are superior players. Ray Thompson a mere f up, and the two actual psychopaths PP and Tyler Smith certainly poisoned that well. How fast did Iowa dump that JUCO that was in prison-ended up at Nebraska?
Its really hard in the social media cable sports world for a less than luminous program like Iowa to get the top flight player that also is a good student and citizen. That's how we ended up with guys like Pierce and Smith. They weren't at the blue blood programs because Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, etc... didn't want them.
Hell I heard some guys on Mad Dog (I think) a couple of years ago talking about Duke doesn't take kids from broken families? Don't know if its true but it certainly illustrates the difference between recruiting at Duke and Iowa.
White or black, gotta remember that Fran ain’t paying cash for any players. So there’s that side note
No, I am not wrong. If I were wrong, I wouldn’t have posted it. Like my other posts. Posts that are right.
"Bohannon's quick release and range saved Fran from another failed offer. Not many kids with his size and limited athleticism have the uncanny skills he has. Without his release and range he would be a non-factor in the offense because Fran has not put play makers around him."
You realize that's really saying that being a really good player saved Jordan from being a failed recruit? Jordan is going to leave Iowa with a total of almost twice as many three pointers as the next guy; top five assists; top five FT % and starting every game of his career. "Bohannon" & "failed recruit" present an oxymoron.
Every coach at every school has had failed recruits and will continue to have failed recruits. If a pattern of failed recruits is the point should we not also talk about recruiting successes as well. The 1st and 2nd all conference players aren't failed recruits, and Iowa has had a guy in those categories almost every year of the McC years. Multi year starters on winning teams aren't failed recruits and we've had a lot of them in the McC years.
I don't love McCs personality but this idea that he's a bad recruiter is nuts. No coach is ever going to recruit like the MSUs and Indianas of the world at Iowa. Most of the guys in the top 100 aren't going to even consider Iowa. That puke from Bettendorf is a perfect example. That kid, albeit with limited Iowa connections, never considered Iowa because other, higher media profile programs were calling; and that's kid in the back yard. You think some 18 year old from Florida is thinking about a program that doesn't even get to play conference home games on Saturday afternoon, especially when some of those games are played below zero on the thermometer?
Alford and Lickliter destroyed a generation of reputational good will in the recruiting world. We are only now seeing the number of top 150 like players coming to Iowa return to the Dr. Davis levels from more than 20 years ago. McCaffery deserves all the credit for that improvement.
You realize that's really saying that being a really good player saved Jordan from being a failed recruit? Jordan is going to leave Iowa with a total of almost twice as many three pointers as the next guy; top five assists; top five FT % and starting every game of his career. "Bohannon" & "failed recruit" present an oxymoron.
Every coach at every school has had failed recruits and will continue to have failed recruits. If a pattern of failed recruits is the point should we not also talk about recruiting successes as well. The 1st and 2nd all conference players aren't failed recruits, and Iowa has had a guy in those categories almost every year of the McC years. Multi year starters on winning teams aren't failed recruits and we've had a lot of them in the McC years.
I don't love McCs personality but this idea that he's a bad recruiter is nuts. No coach is ever going to recruit like the MSUs and Indianas of the world at Iowa. Most of the guys in the top 100 aren't going to even consider Iowa. That puke from Bettendorf is a perfect example. That kid, albeit with limited Iowa connections, never considered Iowa because other, higher media profile programs were calling; and that's kid in the back yard. You think some 18 year old from Florida is thinking about a program that doesn't even get to play conference home games on Saturday afternoon, especially when some of those games are played below zero on the thermometer?
Alford and Lickliter destroyed a generation of reputational good will in the recruiting world. We are only now seeing the number of top 150 like players coming to Iowa return to the Dr. Davis levels from more than 20 years ago. McCaffery deserves all the credit for that improvement.
Players being good prevents most coaches from being bad recruiters. ****ing rocket science in here.
For the 1,000th time, Fran recruited Anthony Hubbard. Please stop with this.
I think as of right now. Wisconsin has 5-6 African Americans on the roster or coming in. still recruiting so they could have as many as 7 before the cycle is complete. You recruit who you can recruit. Does anyone really care about color anymore? Ridiculous.
Yes, and he was booted before the fall semester started just for purportedly making an unwanted pass at a high school aged donor's daughter. Anthony Hubbard was Fran's introduction to the kind of players you can and cannot recruit at Iowa. I'm sure Fran would like to take a flier at some kids whose basketball skills significantly exceed their social or educational qualifications for higher education at a liberal arts university. But, at Iowa, the head ball coach doesn't have the ultimate authority. Whatever discretion existed evaporated when Tyler Smith left the State University of Iowa to pursue his criminal career closer to home.
As I'm sure you know, the Iowa Constitution provides for a single Constitutional State University (See Article 11 Section 8) in Iowa City, Johnson County. As the actual State University, the University of Iowa must and does maintain significantly higher standards of student conduct than other state funded post secondary schools, such as the land grant A&T school in Ames. Hence the pirate ship Cyclone enjoys, and generously utilizes, the ability to bring marginal citizens and students into their athletic programs.
Your argument supports my conclusion, and you remembered the kid's name so, kudos on the memory of a kid that may have been expelled by Iowa before he even enrolled....kind of like Senator Blutarsky. Your plea notwithstanding, I'm not going to stop being right. Its really something of a curse.
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I want to see players on the floor for Iowa who are at or above above the major basketball conference average at their position when it comes to speed, quickness, power, leaping ability and change of direction. I don't think you can say that about most of the Hawks roster currently.
Whatever racial/ethnic background combination of players gets the team there is irrelevant to me.
Whatever racial/ethnic background combination of players gets the team there is irrelevant to me.
Not sure why I am even posting on this thread. But here I am...
One year 1989-1990, not a good year for the Hawks, Iowa had 5 white dudes on the floor at the same time. Two of my roommates couldn't believe it. They actually busted out laughing... One actually took a picture of the TV for proof that it actually happened.
Anyhow, those 5 whites dudes couldn't hold the jock straps of the 5 white dudes we will have on the floor at times this year. We have some good players. We maybe Whiteyville for a year or so. But I think we'll be decent.
One year 1989-1990, not a good year for the Hawks, Iowa had 5 white dudes on the floor at the same time. Two of my roommates couldn't believe it. They actually busted out laughing... One actually took a picture of the TV for proof that it actually happened.
Anyhow, those 5 whites dudes couldn't hold the jock straps of the 5 white dudes we will have on the floor at times this year. We have some good players. We maybe Whiteyville for a year or so. But I think we'll be decent.
From a 2018 Chicago Tribune article, but still interesting to consider: "With the exception of the University of Connecticut and Villanova, every men's basketball champion since 1991 has come from the Power Five. Black men are only 2.4 percent of undergraduates in the general student body on these 65 campuses; yet they make up 56 percent of basketball teams. During some games in the NCAA men's tournament, 100 percent of players on the courts will be black." Sheer coincidence. Right?
During "some" games in the NCAA men's tournament, 100 percent of the players on the courts will be white. Sheer coincidence. Right?
Wait. Both team?? I guess that would be a 100% improbability. Except for maybe the last 30 seconds when they clear the benches... My bad.
I was thinking of Wisconsin a few years back when they were up there winning a lot and had just a few African- americans and lots of white guys, and their stars were usually white. I haven't scanned their recent or present rosters. I was just answering the post that said no teams wins titles with mainly white.
Link to Tyler Smith's criminal career? Honestly I think you're on acid.
Who has gotten in to ISU, that wouldn't have gotten in to Iowa?
Lol. Loved reading this. Good stuff.
However, refresh my memory on Tyler Smith. I don't remember him being in legal trouble at Iowa. I thought he just transferred out after Alford left for New Mexico.
You obviously don't know the difference between case law and Constitutional citation and common law so I guess the conclusion is you're a dullard swimming out of your depth for the purpose of embarrassing me over a discussion of basketball. Dude that reflects a very low level of self esteem I must say. Moreover, you know I cannot publicly respond or comment on that matter.
Insofar as I'm a public figure I don't have the luxury of hiding behind a screen alias. Why don't you come from behind the keyboard curtain and share your real name?
Insofar as I'm a public figure I don't have the luxury of hiding behind a screen alias. Why don't you come from behind the keyboard curtain and share your real name?
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I'll ask again, what kid has ISU recruited, that wouldn't have gotten in to Iowa?
I don’t understand why many on this thread assume recruiting the inner city is automatically going to bring baggage. It’s not fair. Also don’t assume everyone currently on the roster is a choir boy. You would be mistaken.
