SIX Penn St Asst Coaches witnessed Sandusky/inappropriate behavior dating back to the 1970's

[Franisdaman]

it appears that Jerry Sandusky was abusing kids from at least the mid 1970's (when a child allegedly informed Joe Paterno) until the scandal erupted in 2011 (that's at least 36 years of Jerry Sandusky on the loose, folks).

From NBCnews.com:

As many as six assistant coaches at Penn State witnessed "inappropriate behavior" between Jerry Sandusky and boys, stretching as far back as the 1970s, NBC News has learned.

It is unclear if any of the men reported what they saw to higher-ups at Penn State before the sex-abuse scandal erupted in 2011.

The information, which comes from court documents and multiple sources with direct knowledge of legal proceedings, raises new questions about how long the abuse went on, why no one stopped it and whether there could be even more victims than previously known.

Sources told NBC News that one former Penn State assistant coach witnessed an incident in the late 1970s. Three other coaches — who have gone on to work in the NFL and at Division I colleges — allegedly saw inappropriate conduct between Sandusky and boys in the early and mid-1990s.

"You won't believe what I just saw," one of those three coaches blurted out after bursting into a room filled with Penn State football staff, according to sources who spoke to a person who was in that room.

Bolstering the sources' account, Sandusky's adopted son, Matt, who says he also was molested, told NBC News that investigators informed him a football program employee witnessed what he believed to be a sex act between Matt and Sandusky in a locker room in the early 1990s.

In addition to the four assistants detailed by sources, court papers made public this week point to two more coaches who allegedly witnessed what was described as "inappropriate" or "sexual" contact between Sandusky and children in 1987 and 1988.

Those same documents also revealed that a child allegedly told Joe Paterno he was molested by Sandusky in 1976 — 25 years earlier than Paterno acknowledged hearing about Sandusky in a shower with a child.

Those papers are tied to a legal dispute between Penn State and an insurance company over who should pay the university's share of $60 million in settlements to 26 victims, and the court was not required to verify the allegations.


full article: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...id-6-penn-state-coaches-witness-abuse-n569526

 

[Franisdaman]

here is a segment from tonight's NBC Nightly News:


http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/sandusky-case-did-six-coaches-witness-abuse-681031747530

 

[greenelite]

Disgraceful. Boot them from the B1G.

 

[M3 ME PLEASE]

Get rid of them along with Rutgers. Stay at 12.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

they all knew, the whole time.

sandusky & paterno were besties so no one said anything.

paterno's legacy is that of an enabler of a child predator.

 

[Roy-munson]

Why are the coming out of the woodwork 40 years after the fact.. It's just odd that nobody spoke up until late 2000s and all the allegations/witnesses where 20-30 years prior, I kinda get kids keeping quiet but grown adults? It's hard to tell truth here or people just piggybacking

 

[Franisdaman]

they all knew, the whole time.

sandusky & paterno were besties so no one said anything.

paterno's legacy is that of an enabler of a child predator.

It is just stunning to me that the head coach and 6 assistants all kept quiet; then, FINALLY, that red headed coach got things reported to the AD, who then did nothing, even though by law he was to contact the police and report it. The President was also in the know about what was going on, and he, too, REPORTED NOTHING.

So that is 9 people (JoePa, six assistants, the AD, the President) who did nothing. NOTHING!

Incredible.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

It is just stunning to me that the head coach and 6 assistants all kept quiet; then, FINALLY, that red headed coach got things reported to the AD, who then did nothing, even though by law he was to contact the police and report it. The President was also in the know about what was going on, and he, too, REPORTED NOTHING.

So that is 9 people (JoePa, six assistants, the AD, the President) who did nothing. NOTHING!

Incredible.

the bible says something about idolatry and worshipping false gods/people.

it doesn't usually end well...

 

[DodgerHawki]

It is just stunning to me that the head coach and 6 assistants all kept quiet; then, FINALLY, that red headed coach got things reported to the AD, who then did nothing, even though by law he was to contact the police and report it. The President was also in the know about what was going on, and he, too, REPORTED NOTHING.

So that is 9 people (JoePa, six assistants, the AD, the President) who did nothing. NOTHING!

Incredible.

When the idea of a thing (in this case a football program) is elevated above all, nearly anything can happen. Really no idea what took place, but seems evident that a number of people knew something was wrong with Sandusky and did nothing about it. Because the football program couldn't be put in a negative light.

 

[BirdistheWord]

Why are the coming out of the woodwork 40 years after the fact.. It's just odd that nobody spoke up until late 2000s and all the allegations/witnesses where 20-30 years prior, I kinda get kids keeping quiet but grown adults? It's hard to tell truth here or people just piggybacking

I dont think we can even begin to understand how something like this could affect someones life. I think it would be easier said than done to think you could go up against an "famous" public figure like Sandusky or Paterno. It is the same reason that so many of the Bill Cosby assaulted women kept quiet for so many years until the story broke through.

 

[Tim Dodge Rules]

PSU football program should be removed permanently.

 

[SHAWKER]

The BIG doesnt need this....good bye

 

[iahawkeyes17]

By now it has been basically proven that over all these years it has been impossible for Paterno never to not hear rumors until the red head coach McQueery (sp?) which I highly doubt now he was the first assistant to do so. But worst part is no one really did anything except tell someone up in the chain of command until it reached joepa and Curley. Sickening part is did either of these two ever go back to see if these rumors were true or not or any actions done, no they didn't have the courage to do so. Freaking disgrace.

 

[Hawkeyes4Life247]

Unless there are still people at the university or in the athletic department that aided or assisted in the failure to turn over information, I fail to see any rational argument for removing Penn State from the B1G or eliminating the football program. If it's simply the reputation of the conference that concerns you, then there are other teams in the conference that need to go as well. Minnesota was known for being a racist program and one of the last to integrate. They were known to target opposing black players and killed Jack Trice. That happened more than a half century ago, but if Penn State must go, should the Gophers not follow? I guess I don't understand what the current Penn State football program did to deserve punishment.

 

[cidhawkeye]

So no action is appropriate since Sandusky is in jail and Joe pa is dead?

 

[Hawkeyes4Life247]

So no action is appropriate since Sandusky is in jail and Joe pa is dead?

Correct. No action against the current Penn State football program who, unless further evidence is brought forward to the contrary, had absolutely nothing to do with Sandusky or Paterno is very appropriate. Why should the current staff or players be punished for something they had nothing to do with. The University should have to pay the settlement money. Not the insurance company, and that should suffice. To the best of my knowledge, no one involved with the case is still employed or has anything to do with Penn State currently so the university should face no further punishment. I think the victims at this point have quite a case against several individuals, but the case against the university has been settled.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Correct. No action against the current Penn State football program who, unless further evidence is brought forward to the contrary, had absolutely nothing to do with Sandusky or Paterno is very appropriate. Why should the current staff or players be punished for something they had nothing to do with. The University should have to pay the settlement money. Not the insurance company, and that should suffice. To the best of my knowledge, no one involved with the case is still employed or has anything to do with Penn State currently so the university should face no further punishment. I think the victims at this point have quite a case against several individuals, but the case against the university has been settled.

The PROGRAM is what enabled it. People valued football over protecting kids.

wouldnt surprise me if Joe Pa and/or some of the other coaches and admin were involved in the abuse.

 

[Hawkeyes4Life247]

The PROGRAM is what enabled it. People valued football over protecting kids.

wouldnt surprise me if Joe Pa and/or some of the other coaches and admin were involved in the abuse.

So you believe the program today is the same program as five years ago and 40 years ago? You must believe that a program is made of a name, mascot, and team colors for that to be true. I believe a program is made up of coaches, players, and administration, and all of those things have changed since the issues involving Sandusky were brought to light. If what you say is true the the Minnesota program enabled racism, assault, and manslaughter and needs to be held accountable today.

 

[J_Heater]

So you believe the program today is the same program as five years ago and 40 years ago? You must believe that a program is made of a name, mascot, and team colors for that to be true. I believe a program is made up of coaches, players, and administration, and all of those things have changed since the issues involving Sandusky were brought to light. If what you say is true the the Minnesota program enabled racism, assault, and manslaughter and needs to be held accountable today.

Interesting argument. It's like saying if Pete Carroll knew about payments to Reggie Bush that USC shouldn't have been on probation because both Carroll and Bush were gone at that point.

For the record I don't think Penn St should be removed from the B1G. I didn't even think the NCAA should have interfered at all. It was a legal issue and the law handled it.

 

[Franisdaman]

Sally Jenkins of the Washington Post interviewed Paterno shortly before his death. She asked JoePa if he had heard of any other Sandusky abuse allegations prior to 2001 when the red head assistant (McQueary) came to Paterno's house to tell JoePa that he witnessed Sandusky in the Penn State shower with a boy doing a sexual act (Joe Pa reported this to the Penn State AD but did not follow up). JoePa said to Sally that he had not heard a thing.

However, Sally quickly indicates that Joe Pa was probably lying to her when she points out that (1) an assistant coach witnessed something in 1987; (2) an athletic director was notified of a Sandusky allegation in 1988; (3) There was a police investigation in 1998. Yet, JoePa "had not heard a thing" about these 3 allegations/investigations?? Then you have the 2001 JoePa meeting with McQueary, who was an eye witness to child sexual abuse. So, Sally asks, how would JoePa not know of these THREE previous allegations and investigations? She concluded that he was lying to her and to himself.

And how many more kids were victims of Sandusky as a result? Why, in 2001, didn't JoePa or McQueary follow up with the AD (or go directly to the police) when nothing had been done with Sandusky after A CRIME HAD CLEARLY BEEN COMMITTED in 2001? Ten years (and how many more victims?) later, November 5, 2011, Sandusky is arraigned on 40 criminal counts. Eleven days after that, on November 16, 2011, reps of Penn State's campus police and State College Police said they had no record of having received any report from McQueary about his having witnessed the rape of a boy by Sandusky.

A timeline of the accusations is here: http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/28/us/penn-state-scandal-fast-facts/

Listen to Sally Jenkins speak here (it is the 2nd video clip): http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...se-only-digs-each-side-deeper-in-its-position

 

[Franisdaman]

When the idea of a thing (in this case a football program) is elevated above all, nearly anything can happen. Really no idea what took place, but seems evident that a number of people knew something was wrong with Sandusky and did nothing about it. Because the football program couldn't be put in a negative light.

And you know what's crazy? The Penn State fans trying to re-write history, placing sole blame on Sandusky and none on JoePa or anybody else connected to football.

I bet McQuery will be kicking himself all the way to his grave for not following up on what he reported to JoePa in 2001; he should have made sure something was being done and that police were involved BECAUSE A CRIME WAS COMMITTED.

 

[Gridiron24]

It's shameful by the NCAA that SMU got the death penalty, but because of $$$ and the "PSU brand" (greatly diminished in the past 5 years since this story broke, mind you), they were immune.

A few scholarships lost? Big f*cking deal.... great message sent there.

 

[Franisdaman]

It's shameful by the NCAA that SMU got the death penalty, but because of $$$ and the "PSU brand" (greatly diminished in the past 5 years since this story broke, mind you), they were immune.

A few scholarships lost? Big f*cking deal.... great message sent there.

What gets me is the defenders of Joe Paterno.

Seriously, what is his defense?

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Isn't blaming PSU for the disgraceful actions of some individuals the same as blaming the Muslim religion for ISIS?

Oh, wait. That's already been done.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Well, this information pretty much blows out of the water the theory that there were just a select few who participated in the cover-up. Counting these 6 assistant coaches, you're already around a minimum of 10 people with the PSU football program and administration who were aware of the abuse. That has to be just the tip of the iceberg. There's absolutely no way those 6 assistant coaches kept that information completely to themselves. They had to have told spouses and family, at a minimum. Even though this was certainly the kind of information they wouldn't want released publicly, it's not the kind of revelation that 6 coaches are going to keep completely to themselves. I have a hard time believing there weren't less than hundreds of people in Happy Valley aware of the abuse, for decades.

As for the fate of the football program, I'm not sure that the death penalty is the way to go or that kicking PSU out of the Big Ten is necessarily warranted at this point. Sure seems to me that PSU should be held accountable for paying the settlement, though.

 

[Madman_1]

Well, this information pretty much blows out of the water the theory that there were just a select few who participated in the cover-up. Counting these 6 assistant coaches, you're already around a minimum of 10 people with the PSU football program and administration who were aware of the abuse. That has to be just the tip of the iceberg. There's absolutely no way those 6 assistant coaches kept that information completely to themselves. They had to have told spouses and family, at a minimum. Even though this was certainly the kind of information they wouldn't want released publicly, it's not the kind of revelation that 6 coaches are going to keep completely to themselves. I have a hard time believing there weren't less than hundreds of people in Happy Valley aware of the abuse, for decades.

As for the fate of the football program, I'm not sure that the death penalty is the way to go or that kicking PSU out of the Big Ten is necessarily warranted at this point. Sure seems to me that PSU should be held accountable for paying the settlement, though.

This is from memory, but I thought that in 2011 when this first made national news, there were stories from anonymous members of coaching staffs across the country who knew of Sandusky's reputation as a child molester. Kind of a situation where everyone in the business had heard the rumors, and it was kind of an inside joke that he was this pervert? Does anyone else remember that?

If that were true, you'd have to believe that a lot of people in State College, who were closer to the situation, had to know much more accurately what was actually going on.

 

[Pepperman]

I tried to discuss this with some PSU fans on BWI and the mods banned me. The posters there claimed Ferentz covered up the sexual assault from 2005 or whatever year it was... They are seriously delusional over there.

 

[Madman_1]

I tried to discuss this with some PSU fans on BWI and the mods banned me. The posters there claimed Ferentz covered up the sexual assault from 2005 or whatever year it was... They are seriously delusional over there.

There are a couple regulars over there that seem to have control of their own brains, but their opinions get viciously attacked by the zombies.

PSU's 247 board seems to have a higher percentage of thinking adults than BWI.

 

[Herkmeister]

So you believe the program today is the same program as five years ago and 40 years ago? You must believe that a program is made of a name, mascot, and team colors for that to be true. I believe a program is made up of coaches, players, and administration, and all of those things have changed since the issues involving Sandusky were brought to light. If what you say is true the the Minnesota program enabled racism, assault, and manslaughter and needs to be held accountable today.

Unless there are still people at the university or in the athletic department that aided or assisted in the failure to turn over information, I fail to see any rational argument for removing Penn State from the B1G or eliminating the football program. If it's simply the reputation of the conference that concerns you, then there are other teams in the conference that need to go as well. Minnesota was known for being a racist program and one of the last to integrate. They were known to target opposing black players and killed Jack Trice. That happened more than a half century ago, but if Penn State must go, should the Gophers not follow? I guess I don't understand what the current Penn State football program did to deserve punishment.

I strongly agree with you. Millions of people would pay the price for the criminal actions of a few. This is wrong. The only thing I would add to your comments is that the criminal punishment of those involved is important. Joe Pa lied FOR SURE. So did Iowa State grad, Graham Spanier.

The parallel between this and the Catholic church is eerie. And I've read about the complexity of what caused it. I'm cautious not to cast stones at those involved in either case. And you Minnesota comparison is excellent.

PSU has to sweep their administration. Which I believe has been done. It appears they will have to pay the $60 mill themselves. This is correct. And the law needs to do its thing with the others. If other victims come forward, PSU must pay the price. PSU fans will draw their own conclusions as have we. And I believe many will deal with their lack of action for the remainder of their lives.

But.............had our beloved Iowa Hawkeyes been the victim of such a heinous crime, there is NO WAY our fans should pay the price for the criminal actions of our administrators. The fans would not deserve to have their school booted from the B1G.

 

[WORTHYWISH]

I strongly agree with you. Millions of people would pay the price for the criminal actions of a few. This is wrong. The only thing I would add to your comments is that the criminal punishment of those involved is important. Joe Pa lied FOR SURE. So did Iowa State grad, Graham Spanier.

The parallel between this and the Catholic church is eerie. And I've read about the complexity of what caused it. I'm cautious not to cast stones at those involved in either case. And you Minnesota comparison is excellent.

PSU has to sweep their administration. Which I believe has been done. It appears they will have to pay the $60 mill themselves. This is correct. And the law needs to do its thing with the others. If other victims come forward, PSU must pay the price. PSU fans will draw their own conclusions as have we. And I believe many will deal with their lack of action for the remainder of their lives.

But.............had our beloved Iowa Hawkeyepahe victim of such a heinous crime, there is NO WAY our fans should pay the price for the criminal actions of our administrators. The fans would not deserve to have their school booted from the B1G.

If this happened at Iowa, IA fans surely wouldn't riot in the streets to defend Kirk, like they did in Pedoville.

 

[Herkmeister]

If this happened at Iowa, IA fans surely wouldn't riot in the streets to defend Kirk, like they did in Pedoville.

Of course not. Nor should their team's membership in the B1G be terminated.

Though you did make me think about something. Let's say Kirk wins a couple NC's and stays another 20 years. Iowa fans might feel a bit differently.

 

[Packer54]

Of course not. Nor should their team's membership in the B1G be terminated.

Though you did make me think about something. Let's say Kirk wins a couple NC's and stays another 20 years. Iowa fans might feel a bit differently.

I certainly hope not. Disgusting. Any coach knowing this should be thrown out.

 

[Herkmeister]

I certainly hope not. Disgusting. Any coach knowing this should be thrown out.

Oh hell yea, it's criminal. Totally criminal. And people other than JS should do time. Spanier should do time for sure.

 

[Shafthawk]

Why are the coming out of the woodwork 40 years after the fact.. It's just odd that nobody spoke up until late 2000s and all the allegations/witnesses where 20-30 years prior, I kinda get kids keeping quiet but grown adults? It's hard to tell truth here or people just piggybacking

Because College Football is big money business. Don't think for a second no one was paid off to remain quiet through this deal.

Anybody that believed that Paterno was told a "vague" story by the red-head assistant and didn't push for answers, and thought it best to sit on the info over the weekend is a) brain-dead or b) doesn't want to face the truth.

But, I'm sure they are claiming irresponsible journalism and burying their heads deeper in the sand over at BWI. Football success > protecting kids over there, and that is incredibly pathetic.

 

[Shafthawk]

they all knew, the whole time.

sandusky & paterno were besties so no one said anything.

paterno's legacy is that of an enabler of a child predator.

I think it goes way beyond that. Not wanting the Football Program to take the public relations hit was probably the bigger factor. Can't take a hit to the almighty money tree.

 

[Herkmeister]

Because College Football is big money business. Don't think for a second no one was paid off to remain quiet through this deal.

Anybody that believed that Paterno was told a "vague" story by the red-head assistant and didn't push for answers, and thought it best to sit on the info over the weekend is a) brain-dead or b) doesn't want to face the truth.

But, I'm sure they are claiming irresponsible journalism and burying their heads deeper in the sand over at BWI. Football success > protecting kids over there, and that is incredibly pathetic.

Interesting thought. But when the lid blows off like this why would you compound the illegal activities.

 

[Shafthawk]

If this happened at Iowa, IA fans surely wouldn't riot in the streets to defend Kirk, like they did in Pedoville.

A-freaking-men

That is one of the most disturbing things in this situation. People refusing to believe what is obvious, for no other reason than they don't want to.

Look at it another way: A University employee being a pedophile and performing heinous crimes on campus could happen to any University in the country.

What the PSU faithful don't get: The country doesn't blame them for Sandusky, they blame them for their reactions to the Sandusky ordeal. And rightly so, their administrations(that includes JoePa) handling of a terrible situation was disgraceful.

 

[Shafthawk]

Interesting thought. But when the lid blows off like this why would you compound the illegal activities.

Oh what a twisted web we weave
When first we practice to deceive


Have you heard the accounts how Sandusky disobeyed PSU's barring him from using campus workout facilities? Holding camps on PSU satellite campuses?

How could he do this? Once the PSU covered for Sandusky the first time, they were in bed with him. Short of them making him go away, he owned them. If he goes down, they go down.

 

[Herkmeister]

A-freaking-men

That is one of the most disturbing things in this situation. People refusing to believe what is obvious, for no other reason than they don't want to.

Look at it another way: A University employee being a pedophile and performing heinous crimes on campus could happen to any University in the country.

What the PSU faithful don't get: The country doesn't blame them for Sandusky, they blame them for their reactions to the Sandusky ordeal. And rightly so, their administrations(that includes JoePa) handling of a terrible situation was disgraceful.

I agree 100%. It's just inconceivable. Absolutely inconceivable. And every time I say that I think of Catholic Church which went through something even worse.

 

[Herkmeister]

Oh what a twisted web we weave
When first we practice to deceive


Have you heard the accounts how Sandusky disobeyed PSU's barring him from using campus workout facilities? Holding camps on PSU satellite campuses?

How could he do this? Once the PSU covered for Sandusky the first time, they were in bed with him. Short of them making him go away, he owned them. If he goes down, they go down.

Yes, I knew he continued to use facilities. Had not considered that he owned them. If the admin did not know of his activities (use of facilities) I don't see where he'd have clout.

Not arguing. Trying to understand your point Shafthawk.