So, F Germany, sick Phucks.

[alaskanseminole]

Of course these two morons just completely ignore that OP got duped. Perfect illustration of the MAGAt “intellect”.

This is the the thread we actually need, sensationalized reporting and its impact on the political environment.

The sensationalized article title "Germany Decriminalizes Child Porn Possession" assumes several things:

• It assumes that there has been a significant change in German law regarding the possession of child pornography, suggesting a shift from criminalization to decriminalization.
• The title assumes that this change is highly controversial and likely to provoke strong reactions from the public, given the sensitivity and severity of the subject matter.
• Here's the biggie: It assumes a simplification (for simpletons) of legal nuances, possibly overlooking or not mentioning important details, conditions, or context behind the legal change.
• The title also implies that Germany is taking a lenient stance on a serious crime, which can evoke strong emotions (see OP) and ethical concerns from readers.

...and it's not just political reporting, it's most "reporting". Something has to trigger a potential clicker/watcher to examine further. How about good ole Yahoo "News":

"Jennifer Anniston Finally Breaks Silence on Matthew Perry's Death"

• That dumba$$ title suggests that Jennifer Aniston has been silent or has not made any public comments for a significant period since Matthew Perry's death, implying a sense of anticipation or curiosity about her reaction.
• The use of "Finally" implies that her comments are highly anticipated and significant, adding a sense of drama or importance to her statement.

FoxNews has mastered this type of so called journalism as have other rags like the ones linked in this thread. I'm finding more and more there are very few factual news outlets (those are boring). Instead we have commentary about the news that pulls at the emotions and even greater the FEARS of its readers. I guarentee you there are groups of nimrods out there sipping their Black Label coffee this morning going, "Hey Carl, you hear those dirty Germans are legalize'n child porn?"

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Pedophilia is not two minors being attracted to each other, pedophilia is a condition which requires an adult to be sexually aroused specifically at the thought of the victim being underage.


It isn't the 18 and 16 year old.

man words are hard for you

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

I know it's crazy. Wait till you hear about all the Republican lead states that are killing bills that outlaw child brides. There's a lot of sick f*cks out there.

Didn't some red states just bring back the death penalty?

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Man, words are hard for you.

Left to right, up to down, letters make words, words make sentences, keep trying little buddy.

 

[seminole97]

Pedophilia is not two minors being attracted to each other, pedophilia is a condition which requires an adult to be sexually aroused specifically at the thought of the victim being underage.


It isn't the 18 and 16 year old.

Pedophilia isn't even mentioned. You're inserting that.

On Wednesday, the Legal Affairs Committee paved the way for a reduction in the minimum penalties for “dissemination, acquisition and possession of child pornographic content”.
...
In its draft, the federal government cites feedback and demands from practice for a tightening of the penalty framework in 2021. Due to the lack of the possibility of discontinuing proceedings or disposing of them with a penalty order, it has been shown that “in proceedings involving a suspected crime at the lower end of criminal liability, this means that a reaction appropriate to the offense and guilt is no longer possible in every individual case is guaranteed". The conference of the justice ministers of the federal states also joined the demands from practice. The maximum penalties, which were also made more stringent with the 2021 reform, will be retained.


They tightened the laws in 2021, and had the unintended consequence of removing diversionary 'escape hatches' for kids with images of kids.
The point of this change is to give the prosecutors and judges leeway to use common sense.

Unwad your panties.

 

[GOHOX69]

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Anyone want to try and say this is OK?

Barf.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

man words are hard for you

Whiskey and @ihhawk are competing for dumbest poster on HROT. Watching them work in lies, exaggerations, deflections, begging the question, straw men, and circular reasoning is like watching Nicklaus vs Palmer, Magic vs Bird, or Federer vs Nadal on the surface of dipshittery.

 

[MitchLL]

There are several on this board that will be learning German soon.

Maybe Matt Gaetz moves to Berlin now?

 

[GOHOX69]

Maybe Matt Gaetz moves to Berlin now?

I'll just say this. Germany and Japan have some kinky people living there.

 

[ihhawk]

Maybe Matt Gaetz moves to Berlin now?

You could room with him

 

[alaskanseminole]

Whiskey and @ihhawk are competing for dumbest poster on HROT. Watching them work in lies, exaggerations, deflections, begging the question, straw men, and circular reasoning is like watching Nicklaus vs Palmer, Magic vs Bird, or Federer vs Nadal on the surface of dipshittery.

It's a reflection of the average voter.

#peopleenmassearedumb

 

[ihhawk]

Whiskey and @ihhawk are competing for dumbest poster on HROT. Watching them work in lies, exaggerations, deflections, begging the question, straw men, and circular reasoning is like watching Nicklaus vs Palmer, Magic vs Bird, or Federer vs Nadal on the surface of dipshittery.

How is it a lie what we posted?

I’ll ask you this. If you are 40 and have pictures of naked kids on your computer, is it now a felony or misdemeanor in Germany. Please answer

 

[MitchLL]

You could room with him

He probably won't like me...I'm older than 14!

 

[seminole97]

How is it a lie what we posted?

Whiskey said it was decriminalizing pedophilia.
That's misleading. I think he was misled by the click bait headline.

I’ll ask you this. If you are 40 and have pictures of naked kids on your computer, is it now a felony or misdemeanor in Germany. Please answer

In its draft, the federal government cites feedback and demands from practice for a tightening of the penalty framework in 2021. Due to the lack of the possibility of discontinuing proceedings or disposing of them with a penalty order, it has been shown that “in proceedings involving a suspected crime at the lower end of criminal liability, this means that a reaction appropriate to the offense and guilt is no longer possible in every individual case is guaranteed". The conference of the justice ministers of the federal states also joined the demands from practice. The maximum penalties, which were also made more stringent with the 2021 reform, will be retained.

They strengthened the law back in 2021.
Subsequently they realized they created a situation where kids in possession of images of their naked boyfriend or girlfriend would be prosecuted with no regard for the circumstances, because the law didn't allow them to reduce the severity of charges.
The law is trying to restore judgement and common sense to the process.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Whiskey said it was decriminalizing pedophilia.
That's misleading. I think he was misled by the click bait headline.

Read my post #41. The OP (and others like him) are the targets of those misleading headlines. Sensationalized headlines are the written form of beer goggles.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Whiskey said it was decriminalizing pedophilia.
That's misleading. I think he was misled by the click bait headline.


In its draft, the federal government cites feedback and demands from practice for a tightening of the penalty framework in 2021. Due to the lack of the possibility of discontinuing proceedings or disposing of them with a penalty order, it has been shown that “in proceedings involving a suspected crime at the lower end of criminal liability, this means that a reaction appropriate to the offense and guilt is no longer possible in every individual case is guaranteed". The conference of the justice ministers of the federal states also joined the demands from practice. The maximum penalties, which were also made more stringent with the 2021 reform, will be retained.

They strengthened the law back in 2021.
Subsequently they realized they created a situation where kids in possession of images of their naked boyfriend or girlfriend would be prosecuted with no regard for the circumstances, because the law didn't allow them to reduce the severity of charges.
The law is trying to restore judgement and common sense to the process.

It was a simple question, misdemeanor or felony foe the 40 year old?

 

[seminole97]

It was a simple question, misdemeanor or felony foe the 40 year old?

The maximum penalties, which were also made more stringent with the 2021 reform, will be retained.

 

[jneffer]

Whiskey said it was decriminalizing pedophilia.
That's misleading. I think he was misled by the click bait headline.


In its draft, the federal government cites feedback and demands from practice for a tightening of the penalty framework in 2021. Due to the lack of the possibility of discontinuing proceedings or disposing of them with a penalty order, it has been shown that “in proceedings involving a suspected crime at the lower end of criminal liability, this means that a reaction appropriate to the offense and guilt is no longer possible in every individual case is guaranteed". The conference of the justice ministers of the federal states also joined the demands from practice. The maximum penalties, which were also made more stringent with the 2021 reform, will be retained.

They strengthened the law back in 2021.
Subsequently they realized they created a situation where kids in possession of images of their naked boyfriend or girlfriend would be prosecuted with no regard for the circumstances, because the law didn't allow them to reduce the severity of charges.
The law is trying to restore judgement and common sense to the process.

i don't know about you...but that's the last time i get my news from **squints** valuetainment.com

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

The maximum penalties, which were also made more stringent with the 2021 reform, will be retained.

100.........0


100.......0.....-10


YOU "ONE HUNDRED STILL EXIST" .



There is now a non felony lesser option.

*
Did a little more digging into this. The "maximum penalt" is someone who is found to have raped a child, and it's 15 years, they maintained the 15 years.


How Brave.

 

[seminoleed]

Anyone know what the rationale was for this? Someone posted about minors, so makes me wonder if it has to do with teen sexting and cat fishing.

I can't imagine a group of adult politicians sitting around and one day a light bulb goes off and they say "Hey let's decriminalize child porn".

But in this day and age, it wouldn't surprise me at all.

 

[seminole97]

100.........0
100.......0.....-10
YOU "ONE HUNDRED STILL EXIST" .
There is now a non felony lesser option.

If you’d quit dropping context we could discuss why that lesser option exists, and why it’s not a good idea to slap felonies on kids for having nekked pictures of their boyfriend on their phone.

 

[Hawki97]

100.........0


100.......0.....-10


YOU "ONE HUNDRED STILL EXIST" .



There is now a non felony lesser option.

If it's addressing issues where a couple teenagers passing nudes to one another were labeled and charged as pedos...it makes perfect sense. Unlike you evidently, I'm going to need more information before my head explodes. As of now, all the content on the google looks like it's from the Q outrage machine shaped in a way to dupe the simps. Flashy headline, minimal actual data / background.

 

[FlickShagwell]

Anyone know what the rationale was for this? Someone posted about minors, so makes me wonder if it has to do with teen sexting and cat fishing.

I can't imagine a group of adult politicians sitting around and one day a light bulb goes off and they say "Hey let's decriminalize child porn".

This. Do whatever with pedophiles. I couldn’t care less. High school kids are idiots and do idiotic things. Unlike when I was an idiotic high school kid, cell phones are now in the mix. Do we make a 15 year old girl with a dick pick sent to her by a 14 year old a sex offender for life because she technically possesses child pron?

 

[alaskanseminole]

If it's addressing issues where a couple teenagers passing nudes to one another were labeled and charged as pedos...it makes perfect sense. Unlike you evidently, I'm going to need more information before my head explodes. As of now, all the content on the google looks like it's from the Q outrage machine shaped in a way to dupe the simps. Flashy headline, minimal actual data / background.

 

[B1GDeal]

I’ve tried arguing with simpletons but it’s a waste of time. They don’t want to see anything beyond what they already believe or someone they agree with said about something that they now believe to be true and factually correct when it could be 100% false. Then when you point out the hippocrates or examples of someone they like doing something similar they brush it off.

 

[Scott559]

Whiskey, You may not agree with this but this explains why they are trying to change the law. It also points out the flaws in the article you used as your source.

https://www.techarp.com/crime/germany-child-pornography-facts/

 

[ThorneStockton]

Whiskey being misled by a tweet leading to self urination? Just another day that ends in Y.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

If you’d quit dropping context we could discuss why that lesser option exists, and why it’s not a good idea to slap felonies on kids for having nekked pictures of their boyfriend on their phone.

Whiskey, You may not agree with this but this explains why they are trying to change the law. It also points out the flaws in the article you used as your source.

https://www.techarp.com/crime/germany-child-pornography-facts/

Fact #2 : Germany Partially Reversed Increased Punishment

In July 2021, Germany actually increased the punishment for distributing child pornography, with a prison sentence of between 1 and 10 years. Previously, those convicted of the crime would face imprisonment of between three months and 5 years.

However, the German government soon realised that the minimum sentence of one year was problematic in practice. It meant that even parents and teachers who forward these child sexual abuse material (CSAM) to the police would face at least one year of prison!

The minimum 1 year sentence also meant the automatic classification as a crime, which means prosecutors and the courts cannot simply stop proceedings, as they would with misdemeanours. They would have to prosecute even people reporting child pornography to the fullest extent of the law!

That led investigators, courts, and even state justice ministers to push for a reduction in the sentencing guidelines.

As such, the German Federal Cabinet voted on Wednesday, 7 February 2024, to reduce the minimum sentence, from one year to six months. This would give prosecutors and the courts greater flexibility to address each claim proportionally.

As German Justice Minister Marco Buschmann explained, the new upper limit of 10 years would stay in place, but there will be a new minimum sentence:



If you are actually worried about protecting mandatory reporters, write that law.

 

[Scott559]

Fact #2 : Germany Partially Reversed Increased Punishment

In July 2021, Germany actually increased the punishment for distributing child pornography, with a prison sentence of between 1 and 10 years. Previously, those convicted of the crime would face imprisonment of between three months and 5 years.

However, the German government soon realised that the minimum sentence of one year was problematic in practice. It meant that even parents and teachers who forward these child sexual abuse material (CSAM) to the police would face at least one year of prison!

The minimum 1 year sentence also meant the automatic classification as a crime, which means prosecutors and the courts cannot simply stop proceedings, as they would with misdemeanours. They would have to prosecute even people reporting child pornography to the fullest extent of the law!

That led investigators, courts, and even state justice ministers to push for a reduction in the sentencing guidelines.

As such, the German Federal Cabinet voted on Wednesday, 7 February 2024, to reduce the minimum sentence, from one year to six months. This would give prosecutors and the courts greater flexibility to address each claim proportionally.

As German Justice Minister Marco Buschmann explained, the new upper limit of 10 years would stay in place, but there will be a new minimum sentence:



If you are actually worried about protecting mandatory reporters, write that law.

Isn’t that exactly what they are doing?

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Isn’t that exactly what they are doing?

No. They are backdooring a law that impacts everyone. Write something specific to maditory reporters.

 

[Scott559]

No. They are backdooring a law that impacts everyone. Write something specific to maditory reporters.

I’m not sure why you keep skipping over the part where the minimum sentence is trying to be reduced but the maximum sentence for severe cases remains in place.

 

[Hawki97]

If you are actually worried about protecting mandatory reporters, write that law.

It appears to me they're trying to do that within the context of how German law works, but I'm not a Deutschland legal scholar that understands all the nits of how things work over there. Based on your desire to "just write it in x way" iIt sounds like you are though?

That said, from this article, it sounds like they still may dial it in per fact #3.

Fact #3 : German Parliament Has Not Approved The Law

The German Federal Cabinet’s decision to amend the law does not immediately change it, as the <insernt trash source here> article appears to suggest.

Even though the German government urgently wants to implement the amended law, it has not been approved by the Bundestag – the German parliament. Until the new law is approved, the existing law continues to be in effect.



My outrage button has not yet been pushed. I'll need a little more info before I join you in the "F GERMANY!" chant.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Last week, the German parliamentary body advanced a bill that will reduce the possession of child pornography from a felony crime to a misdemeanor. Supporters of the bill claim that the legislation is necessary because minors could face felony charges for possession of pornographic images.

Thanks for the link @Whiskeydeltadeltatango

Way to take the misinformation from X, hook, line and sinker. Dumb

Seems like that could be fixed by not applying the felony charges to other minors.

I mean I think we are all in agreement that if 2 16 year old send each other pictures of their privates, they shouldn't be going to prison for it or getting slapped with the sex offender label. And to be fair that has been a problem even here because our child porn laws which were probably mostly written pre-smart phones didn't account for it.

I mean simple solution, say that it doesn't apply if the images were consensually sent by a person 4 years older or younger than the person receiving them. (Just spitballing) This would also allow cover for an 18 year old with a 16 year old.

It doesn't seem like a hard thing.

You could also differentiate in punishment between smaller children and teenagers too.

It does seem like a really weird reaction to just simply lessen the penalties.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

I’m not sure why you keep skipping over the part where the minimum sentence is trying to be reduced but the maximum sentence for severe cases remains in place.

Because the maximum involves rape, and I didn't think the "they still charge them hard for rape" was how pathetic the defense would get

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Seems like that could be fixed by not applying the felony charges to other minors.

I mean I think we are all in agreement that if 2 16 year old send each other pictures of their privates, they shouldn't be going to prison for it or getting slapped with the sex offender label. And to be fair that has been a problem even here because our child porn laws which were probably mostly written pre-smart phones didn't account for it.

I mean simple solution, say that it doesn't apply if the images were consensually sent by a person 4 years older or younger than the person receiving them. (Just spitballing) This would also allow cover for an 18 year old with a 16 year old.

It doesn't seem like a hard thing.

You could also differentiate in punishment between smaller children and teenagers too.

It does seem like a really weird reaction to just simply lessen the penalties.

Whoopsies.gif

 

[seminole97]

No. They are backdooring a law that impacts everyone. Write something specific to maditory reporters.

You keep dropping the real context and inventing a new one to justify your initial misperception (which was deliberately created by your source).

At this point I’m not sure what would make you recognize your error.

 

[Scott559]

Because the maximum involves rape, and I didn't think the "they still charge them hard for rape" was how pathetic the defense would get

Really not sure where you are getting your info.

Max sentence for distributing child pornography is 10 years, Distributing child porn via network 15 years. Wouldn’t rape be tried as rape and not possession of child pornography. Just to remind you how you started this thread.

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[FlickShagwell]

If you are actually worried about protecting mandatory reporters, write that law.

Wenn Sie sich tatsächlich Sorgen um den Schutz von Pflichtberichterstattern machen, schreiben Sie dieses Gesetz.

Translated to German for you. Now you can email anyone you want in Germany about this really pressing issue you’ve been lied to about.

 

[FlickShagwell]

Really not sure where you are getting your info.

Wingnut twitter. The best place to get information, obviously.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Wenn Sie sich tatsächlich Sorgen um den Schutz von Pflichtberichterstattern machen, schreiben Sie dieses Gesetz.

Translated to German for you. Now you can email anyone you want in Germany about this really pressing issue you’ve been lied to about.

Outstanding.