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So is Nationals a two team race?

I believe PSU tied for 4th at the B1G tourney in 2020.
Although they did take 4th, they beat Purdue by 24 points, so, no, they didn't tie for 4th. Still, the math actually favors PSU when it is the top 33, vs just the 14 in the B1G. Their top guys STILL almost guaranteed would have scored as much as they did at B1G's, if not more, at NCAA's. Meanwhile, the teams that finished ahead of them had guys that almost certainly drop considerably at NCAA's when they hit the entire field. That is why PSU still beat Michigan by quite a bit last year, even though they lost at B1G's. Hell, it is also why they lost to tOSU in 2017 and 2018 at B1G's but won NCAA's both years. Their best guys are almost always so good, they don't drop off in a 33 man bracket and, in fact, they almost become upset proof.

Now, with that said, they weren't catching Iowa, no way no how, but I would have bet ANYONE big money they would have finished top 4 and I still would have taken them over Nebraska or tOSU once they fill into top 33 brackets.

For example, Nebraska wrestled the tournament of their lives to take a solid 2nd at B1G's. However, that happened because guys like Thomsen(6th), Lovett(7th not the same guy when he wrestled 133 that year), Purington(3rd) and Jensen(5th) all scored substantial placement points, None of those would have been likely to win more than a match or 2, let alone place at NCAA's. After that, you had Red take 3rd(he was still only seeded 6th at NCAA's), Robb also took 3rd from the 7 seed, but was only the 13 seed at NCAA's, White took 3rd as the 4 seed, but was still the 5 seed at NCAA's in a bracket that had Wick seeded 8th, Labriola took 6th, had 10 losses that season and was only the 10 seed at NCAA's, Venz took 3rd getting Pinned by Brooks and was the 7 seed at NCAA's and Schultz was their only Finalist finishing 2nd to Moore. Who out of all those guys truly would have matched the B1G placement at NCAA's? How many of them wouldn't even have placed? They had 10 guys place, but only 1 Finalist(2nd place).

Meanwhile, PSU still had Joseph(3x Finalist, 2x Champ) take 2nd, RBY(2x Champ, 3x AA) take 2nd, Lee(2x Champ 4x AA) take 2nd, Mark Hall 3x Finalist, 1x Champ) take 1st and Aaron Brooks(2x Champ so far) take 1st. Do you really think any of those 5 would have placed outside the top 4 at NCAA's? Even then, that still doesn't account for the possible points Rasheed likely would have scored.

I know this is a bit long, but it is REALLY important, because it SHOWS CLEARLY why PSU is such a good NCAA Tournament team. They CONSISTENTLY have 5 or so guys that are almost guaranteed to score big points at NCAA's. Once the field is made up of the top 33 guys, their cream stays at the top and most of their closest competition sinks a little bit to the field...


 
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I have only one team hope for nationals . . . that is PSU doesn't break Iowa's scoring record. If that doesn't occur, I will be pleased.
 
Wait, are you suggesting Woods has no chance at a title? I'm not saying we have a good chance at winning the team title, but we have a good chance at 2 champs and 6-8 AAs.
The Cesspool needs just the right amounts of optimism and pessimism in order to percolate into the stinky rank mess you see today. Grip, the guy you are quoting is clearly a Debbie Downer. I think he was same the guy saying PK had no chance against PSU.
 
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Although they did take 4th, they beat Purdue by 24 points, so, no, they didn't tie for 4th. Still, the math actually favors PSU when it is the top 33, vs just the 14 in the B1G. Their top guys STILL almost guaranteed would have scored as much as they did at B1G's, if not more, at NCAA's. Meanwhile, the teams that finished ahead of them had guys that almost certainly drop considerably at NCAA's when they hit the entire field. That is why PSU still beat Michigan by quite a bit last year, even though they lost at B1G's. Hell, it is also why they lost to tOSU in 2017 and 2018 at B1G's but won NCAA's both years. Their best guys are almost always so good, they don't drop off in a 33 man bracket and, in fact, they almost become upset proof.

Now, with that said, they weren't catching Iowa, no way no how, but I would have bet ANYONE big money they would have finished top 4 and I still would have taken them over Nebraska or tOSU once they fill into top 33 brackets.

For example, Nebraska wrestled the tournament of their lives to take a solid 2nd at B1G's. However, that happened because guys like Thomsen(6th), Lovett(7th not the same guy when he wrestled 133 that year), Purington(3rd) and Jensen(5th) all scored substantial placement points, None of those would have been likely to win more than a match or 2, let alone place at NCAA's. After that, you had Red take 3rd(he was still only seeded 6th at NCAA's), Robb also took 3rd from the 7 seed, but was only the 13 seed at NCAA's, White took 3rd as the 4 seed, but was still the 5 seed at NCAA's in a bracket that had Wick seeded 8th, Labriola took 6th, had 10 losses that season and was only the 10 seed at NCAA's, Venz took 3rd getting Pinned by Brooks and was the 7 seed at NCAA's and Schultz was their only Finalist finishing 2nd to Moore. Who out of all those guys truly would have matched the B1G placement at NCAA's? How many of them wouldn't even have placed? They had 10 guys place, but only 1 Finalist(2nd place).

Meanwhile, PSU still had Joseph(3x Finalist, 2x Champ) take 2nd, RBY(2x Champ, 3x AA) take 2nd, Lee(2x Champ 4x AA) take 2nd, Mark Hall 3x Finalist, 1x Champ) take 1st and Aaron Brooks(2x Champ so far) take 1st. Do you really think any of those 5 would have placed outside the top 4 at NCAA's? Even then, that still doesn't account for the possible points Rasheed likely would have scored.

I know this is a bit long, but it is REALLY important, because it SHOWS CLEARLY why PSU is such a good NCAA Tournament team. They CONSISTENTLY have 5 or so guys that are almost guaranteed to score big points at NCAA's. Once the field is made up of the top 33 guys, their cream stays at the top and most of their closest competition sinks a little bit to the field...


Excellent take .
 
Five is the ceiling this year. I think they end up with four, I believe one of them will be upset.
No way Haines, the new shiny thing wins it.
It’s doubtful and a stretch , a Joseph like upset when he went up against Martinez but I call him a long shot . If I bet money on how many wrestlers from psu win with $100 on 0-6 , it would be $1 on 0.
$1 on 1, $2 on 2. Then 40 on 3,4, then 15 on 5, and $1 on 6.
Not impossible but I won’t believe it until I see it the next morning after my hangover is gone . 3-4 is most likely imo.
 
This is basically true but PSU was getting a trophy. Hall, Cenzo and RBY would have had 55 pts between the three of them.

Point remains that Iowa was head and shoulders above the rest.
COVID screwed everything up, if the ncaas were held then it would’ve changed things for 2021 up to now.
We’re still dealing with wrestlers having that extra COVID year. Won’t there still be wrestlers in 2025 with that extra COVID year and possibly into 2026 if they were red shorted once?
 
COVID screwed everything up, if the ncaas were held then it would’ve changed things for 2021 up to now.
We’re still dealing with wrestlers having that extra COVID year. Won’t there still be wrestlers in 2025 with that extra COVID year and possibly into 2026 if they were red shorted once?
No wrestlers got an extra year from 2020 due to Covid. Only those competing in 2021 got an extra year so I doubt it would have changed 2021 much. It did affect 2022 and will continue to have an affect on the up coming years.
 
I have only one team hope for nationals . . . that is PSU doesn't break Iowa's scoring record. If that doesn't occur, I will be pleased.

Don't think that's much of a threat if you can't qualify all ten guys. You could have six champs scoring 25 each and still need to find 20.5 from the others. Not impossible but pretty unlikely. They could certainly make a run at their school record though, 146.5 or second best ever, 158. If Robbie Howard hadn't been hurt this year, the all time record might be in jeopardy, but then again if Ferrari was still around at 197 or Steveson came back they wouldn't be winning either of those weights so the breaks balance out. Even Spencer Lee should've been done two years ago at this point without Covid, and then Iowa might not be competing for second as easily (although Ayala is a quality threat at that particular weight).
 
I have only one team hope for nationals . . . that is PSU doesn't break Iowa's scoring record. If that doesn't occur, I will be pleased.
No chance it happens. I’ve done the math many times over; I find it very hard to believe that record will ever be broken.

Last time I ran through it, this year’s PSU team needed 5 champions (not impossible)… two thirds, two fifths AND 23.5 bonus points. That totaled 170.5.

It’s just not going to happen.
 
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Wow, I have the good guys winning 7 or 8 titles , ok 7 for sure 133 , 157 165, 174, 184, 197, and hwt. Van Ness and Bartlett finish 3rd.going to look like penn st recruiting infomercial.
 
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I have the bad guys winning 4 weights
And the good guys winning 2 weights.
If Iowa is within 20 points of PSU we had a great tourney.

I think PSU has 7 AA
I think Iowa has 6 AA
 
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