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So it begins

Wow, beaten by idiots. That whole democracy thing is sooooo inconvenient. Is this the part where because I disagree with you, you start calling me a racist fascist? How did that work for your candidate that had no policies, no personality and was dumber than a stump?
You haven't been able to argue your talking point, so why would I think of you than anything other than an idiot? I'm talking about the Iowa public education system dating back 45 years, and you're talking about Kamala Harris. You can't even stay on topic.
 
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Republican politicians?

You guys need to start specifying, otherwise you'll never learn your lesson from this election...................just sayin.
Democrats lost the popular vote by 1.7 percent.

Our candidate was a minority woman who campaigned for 3 months total, not 3.5 years.

I'm not about to dumb-down my opinions to join a group of morons who got suckered by a snake oil salesman.
 
Funny, Iowa's education system has been run by Republicans for most of our history. You must of missed that in your edumacation.
Those halcyon days when Iowa was managed by reasonable Republican governance is now long gone. Since the days of Brainsdead redux our public schools have been in a steady decline. Our position of top 3 in the nation is forever gone as we are now at 16th overall and headed downward even further. Thank goodness for those other republican run states being even worse than us. It’s the only thing currently keeping Iowa out of the bottom half of the rankings.
 
indeed, as i've said before (channeling SP Huntington), american politics is just an ongoing conversation about the appropriate balance at a given time among core values that are inherently intension with each other (eg, liberty v equality, limited government v security, etc.) Neither side's emphasis is wrong, or right, it's just their particular cocktail mix. And, just as you note a legit fear that perhaps modern R's increasingly don't recognize the legitimacy of 'equality' as a core value, so too i worry that D's aren't too big on liberty any more. In both cases, it's a huge long term problem, as the consensus over the universe of values is pretty much the only thing that defines an american.
Very interesting comment.
Just for background. I used to be a Republican until 2016. I became independent.

I and other RATS or RINOs believe in separation of church and state, we tend to be Jeffersonian.

There is nothing in the current Republican Party that resembles a Republican.
The current ideas and messing with National Security, and the Defense department and the military, is totally contrary to the party.

It’s become a party that blindly follows their leader, pushes their religion on others, and many other things.

And now the party of Trump that labels people like John McCain losers, then you have the audacity to say, “thank you for your service”. Are you even aware that we have all volunteer military, unlike my generation that had the draft.

When was the last time you told a Viet Nam vet, “thank you for your service?”

Some of y’all need to study history.
 
Democrats lost the popular vote by 1.7 percent.

Our candidate was a minority woman who campaigned for 3 months total, not 3.5 years.

I'm not about to dumb-down my opinions to join a group of morons who got suckered by a snake oil salesman.
Why would you be joining them by "specifying" who you're labeling/insulting?

Also, it didn't matter if Harris was campaigning for the last 25 years. She was a garbage candidate and you only have yourselves to blame for allowing it to come to that.

Foresight is one of the greater failures of the liberal party, and I don't just mean when it came down to voting for Harris vs Trump either........
 
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Are you suggesting that a legislature shouldn't have an oversight committee focused on education? (That would certainly be news at the federal level).

To be sure, there will be some wacky things considered through a legislative committee like this. But they are a legislature, and it is in fact their job to consider them. To be honest, if I were doing a blue sky exercise with respect to public higher education where no idea was off the table, I'd spend a fair bit of time thinking about whether a public university is, or should be, really designed and administered to be the kind of institution described in St. John Henry Neuman's "The Idea of a University", or rather whether its public character should direct it to more mundane and practical types of learning and training to support the society's values and needs. I might ultimately conclude that publics and privates should be no different...but I'm not sure about that sitting here today.
LOL. I’m sure Pat Grassley has thumbed his way through Mr. Neuman’s enlightened tome.
This is about getting more Jesus into curriculum, less wacky stuff about women and non whites, owning the Libz, and establishing that they are not to blame for increasing mediocrity.
 
indeed, as i've said before (channeling SP Huntington), american politics is just an ongoing conversation about the appropriate balance at a given time among core values that are inherently intension with each other (eg, liberty v equality, limited government v security, etc.) Neither side's emphasis is wrong, or right, it's just their particular cocktail mix. And, just as you note a legit fear that perhaps modern R's increasingly don't recognize the legitimacy of 'equality' as a core value, so too i worry that D's aren't too big on liberty any more. In both cases, it's a huge long term problem, as the consensus over the universe of values is pretty much the only thing that defines an american.
Do you have any of Mr. Huntington’s enlightened tomes that you can send to committee members? I just have a suspicion they haven’t read any of Huntington’s or Neuman’s work.
 
Hey @Aardvark86 are you off the phone yet? I'd still like to hear your answer to my question.
Ah. Apologies. Turned out Mrs a had a dinner reservation for us, and then I’d tuned out.

I do have concerns that the “left” is rejecting liberty as a core value, as the right is abandoning equality. (To be clear, abandon/reject are probably overly loaded words to reflect what I’m concerned about, which is maybe more that one has to “win” over the other).

To my eye, there is stronger group think on the left (eg, how nonvaccinators, let alone Trump voters, are treated/ostracizedto take a simple example). And of course the social/economic safety net has overwhelmed the more libertarian risk reward tradition (eg, housing equity in areas like dc where the market dictates that not everyone gets to live close in). To be sure, there are specific areas where libertarian instincts are much stronger (eg sexual mores)
 
Ah. Apologies. Turned out Mrs a had a dinner reservation for us, and then I’d tuned out.

I do have concerns that the “left” is rejecting liberty as a core value, as the right is abandoning equality. (To be clear, abandon/reject are probably overly loaded words to reflect what I’m concerned about, which is maybe more that one has to “win” over the other).

To my eye, there is stronger group think on the left (eg, how nonvaccinators, let alone Trump voters, are treated/ostracizedto take a simple example). And of course the social/economic safety net has overwhelmed the more libertarian risk reward tradition (eg, housing equity in areas like dc where the market dictates that not everyone gets to live close in). To be sure, there are specific areas where libertarian instincts are much stronger (eg sexual mores)
Can you be more specific? Give me an example of the "left" rejecting liberty?
 
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I think I did.
You gave me examples of the "left" calling out non vaccers and Trumpers, but I don't see anything about the left creating laws to take away their liberty to be non vaccers or Trumpers. I need more details about your housing example.
 
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This thread and the people in it are what is wrong with our society. SMH.

(Cue the “your both sides schtick is tiresome” comments)
 
Mississippi North might have already passed Mississippi South in a race to the bottom.
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You may think you did, but you didn't. Maybe cite some bills that Democrats have passed that steal your liberties.
Ftr, I’m not talking about legislation I’m talking about the bigger pic. Not going to do fly specking here, but another easy example of course is racial preference in higher ed
 
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