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So we are back to Hating KF now?!

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agree to a point but the tackling issues can be explained by McCaffery. I have never seen RB with that kind of feet and vision. Ever. Barry Sanders comes to mind, however McCaffery may be better. Him not winning the Heisman is the biggest joke of this CFB season....He single handedly slaughtered our D. Surprised there isnt a few broken ankles on our post game injury report.
 
I still like KF.

Lomax missing an assignment, a kick return, a fake punt and a pick 6 in fast order was pretty insane. There were a lot of stupid penalties and CJB needed some damn pass coverage. Tackling was atrocious too. It can all be explained by the field not being rye but instead blue grass. :eek:
This...KF doesn't have complete control over that, these are mental errors. He can't go on the field and make those plays. Players are held responsible for that.
 
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Yeah, I am. Kirk deserves zero blame for anything in the past 5 seasons that were bad before this season? Are you kidding? Have a little dignity for yourself and stop being a Ferentz jock sniffer.

Tell me, do head coaches have any accountability for anything?

Under your incredibly well thought through theory, where KF deserves zero blame for the previous 5 seasons, does he deserve credit for this season then?


How ironic that one of the most frequent posters from last spring/summer (only to nearly disappear from the football forum during the football season) is now suddenly in rare form here to critique any other about how to assess the coaching staff.

Answer your own question. Does Coach Ferentz deserve credit for this season?
 
How ironic that one of the most frequent posters from last spring/summer (only to nearly disappear from the football forum during the football season) is now suddenly in rare form here to critique any other about how to assess the coaching staff.

Answer your own question. Does Coach Ferentz deserve credit for this season?

Answer my question first (I posed mine first) on why Ferentz deserves zero blame for the previous 5 years of underachievement. What a moronic statement.
 
Answer my question first (I posed mine first) on why Ferentz deserves zero blame for the previous 5 years of underachievement. What a moronic statement.


Show me where it is exactly that I have ever said that Coach Ferentz deserves zero blame. Neither I, nor many others (including Coach Ferentz himself) have ever denied where responsibilities exist on that matter.

Now, maybe YOU can point out all of the posts from YOU during the just competed 2015 season where YOU complemented/congratulated/credited the team and/or coaching staff on the quality year of football.
 
I think he retires after this contract is done. He saved his job this year with the win against Iowa State. He knows now that he won't be fired and will be able to walk away when he wants to.

Take another drink, beating Iowa St means nothing to Iowa (losing is a different story) he kept his job cause he won over 8 games.
 
Show me where it is exactly that I have ever said that Coach Ferentz deserves zero blame. Neither I, nor many others (including Coach Ferentz himself) have ever denied where responsibilities exist on that matter.

Now, maybe YOU can point out all of the posts from YOU during the just competed 2015 season where YOU complemented/congratulated/credited the team and/or coaching staff on the quality year of football.
It must be lost on you that the only reason we had this season is because the assistant coaches got their way. Ferentz should have focused on the offensive line because they killed any chance of finishing the season strong.
 
It must be lost on you that the only reason we had this season is because the assistant coaches got their way. Ferentz should have focused on the offensive line because they killed any chance of finishing the season strong.


Not in the least. The reason Iowa was able to win twelve consecutive games this season was the concerted efforts of all players and coaches toward a single objective. That should have been evident to most when the players, in interviews at the Big Ten Conference preseason meetings in Chicago stated the goal was to win every game.

The offensive line was a continuing work-in-progress unit this season. Injuries to key players forced others to step up - sometimes to multiple positions from week to week in order to put the best (most healthy) five on the field. Considering how poorly most felt the OL unit would be in 2015 prior to the season, objective observers would say that they performed better than expected.

Losing to Michigan State in the CCG was disappointing. Anyone that thinks Iowa did not play 'strong' throughout that game missed some very good football. Stanford was a case of one team seizing the momentum and never letting go. It happens from time to time.

Back to the point of my post that you quoted... do you have any evidence of where it is that these ever so loud critics were praising Iowa coaches and players during the season?
 
Kirk deserves absolutely zero blame for the last 2 games, nor the previous 5 seasons. But considering we rushed for 48 yards and our O-line looked horrible, can we get rid of whoever is in charge of those 2 aspects?

zero blame huh, yeah i guess it should not be on the coach to get his team ready for the biggest bowl game for Iowa in 10-15 years...lol

KF is what is he is, terrible motivator, terrible game planner and just 100% resistant to any kind of changes.
 
Stupid argument.

He played 14 games. There are plenty of Iowa coaches in history who have lost 2 or fewer games in a season that would have equaled 12 wins in the modern era.
Who are those coaches and how many times? Since we entered the Big Ten, I count 2 coaches, Evy 3 times and Hayden once.
 
Wow...we went to the Rose Bowl with essentially three players in our offensive line playing out of position due to injury...and one of the starters a true freshmen. That was the ball game. We couldn't answer Stanford and we couldn't control any clock to keep our defense off the field. Losing Neiman didn't help either. I wonder if Stanford's offensive line had the same issue, CM would have had the same success. Doubtful. I don't think KF wanted to have our OL in that shape...just guessing there. Give him a break...next year, it would be great to see 5 guys play the majority of the year...and go into the bowl game all on the same page and playing at a high level. CJ with time to throw and a running game is a nightmare for opposing teams. We had neither of those two things against Stanford, mostly due to injury.
 
well, now that the big 10 west is the WAC and it even looks like the wac and feels like the wac, kf is a pretty good wac coach
 
well, now that the big 10 west is the WAC and it even looks like the wac and feels like the wac, kf is a pretty good wac coach

That's funny because the Big Ten West played fairly evenly against the much superior Big Ten East this season.

Stick to the OT board oit... people seem to more readily accept ignorance there.
 
Wow...we went to the Rose Bowl with essentially three players in our offensive line playing out of position due to injury...and one of the starters a true freshmen. That was the ball game. We couldn't answer Stanford and we couldn't control any clock to keep our defense off the field. Losing Neiman didn't help either. I wonder if Stanford's offensive line had the same issue, CM would have had the same success. Doubtful. I don't think KF wanted to have our OL in that shape...just guessing there. Give him a break...next year, it would be great to see 5 guys play the majority of the year...and go into the bowl game all on the same page and playing at a high level. CJ with time to throw and a running game is a nightmare for opposing teams. We had neither of those two things against Stanford, mostly due to injury.
About that running game, our coaches still think the second coming of Weisman is our best back.
 
I guess there is a reason why coaches make a lot of money. Here is a sample of some of the lunacy from the Oklahoma board about Bob Stoops:

You have been a great coach. We have been with you through thick and thin. It is time to move on. OU needs a younger more vibrant recruiter and coach. OU's recruiting is about average #20 over the last 5 years. That is the problem. You will never win another NC or even get there in the finals. You've lost too many. This program needs to move on for Gods Sake and OU's. OU fans realize this. You are doomed to another 4 more years of mediocrity. The time to change is now. Big game Bob is Not that. He loses Big games.

I can't understand why fans turn on their team and their coach after a tough loss, even in a GREAT year. I can only assume that these "fans" have the same standard of excellence in their personal lives that they do in in a football team that they root for. :rolleyes:
 
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This thread is the perfect reminder of what our society has become: Short attention spans and a "what have you done for me lately" mentality.

The Hawks just come off of their first 12-win season EVER ... and some are still questioning Kirk's coaching ability, etc. Seriously?

Was the Rose Bowl a disappointment? Absolutely! You know, in sports sometimes games like that just happen. Team "A" gets it going and the stars simply align for them. Stanford is not THAT good and Iowa is not THAT bad. It was the perfect storm and on that day, Stanford was the better team.

This WAS a good Iowa football team. One that exceeded ALL of our expectations and was one game away from making the college football playoffs. Think about that. Iowa and Clemson were the only undefeated teams at that point.

Some fans are choosing to talk out of both sides of their mouth ... upset by the national "experts" for not giving Iowa credit ... and now - after the Rose Bowl - some fans are again questioning our recruiting, our coaching, etc. Seriously? We finished 12-2 and were in the Rose Bowl!

It was a great season. The ride was incredible. Don't let the outcome of the Rose Bowl sour you on the program or on Kirk ... Man oh man people ... Let's keep things in perspective here.
 
zero blame huh, yeah i guess it should not be on the coach to get his team ready for the biggest bowl game for Iowa in 10-15 years...lol

KF is what is he is, terrible motivator, terrible game planner and just 100% resistant to any kind of changes.
You are not a smart person!
 
I don't think that Ferentz gets near the respect that he deserves from our fans. He is one of the best things we have going for us and any other talk is ridiculous. I suspect that once he does eventually retire or leave, we will learn just how important he is to our football program.
 
Stupid argument.

He played 14 games. There are plenty of Iowa coaches in history who have lost 2 or fewer games in a season that would have equaled 12 wins in the modern era.
He is also no longer in the top highest paid coaches in the big ten, so the whole over paid thing is getting pretty old too
 
Most fans don't hate KF.

But they are back to doubting that he is the future for Hawkeye football. Actually they never stopped thinking that but the phenomenal season put it on hold. Come on now. It was inevitable. It's the 3-4 year peak that we experience
There are many programs (especially in Midwest) that have been waiting for that peak for 3-4 decades.....I would like some of you to got to Texas, Florida, east coast and convince an 18 year old to spend the next 5 years in Iowa....hell I love Iowa and couldn't take it anymore and moved....
 
You are either completely ignorant or just plain stupid. No other coach in more than 100 years of Iowa football has won 12 games in a season no one.. Furthermore, Ferentz finished the regular season undefeated - a feat that hasn't happened at Iowa since the early 20th century. He has won B10 Coach of the Year on 4 separate occasions - of the hundreds of coaches in B10 history only Bo Shembechler has won the award more times.

Has he had down years? Yes. But to claim mediocre results after a record setting, award winning season is just plain stupid.

NO he did not.

So, now we should compare ourselves with Michigan? Do you see a parallel with the on the field results? This is season 17 and he has 4 that are worth talking about? You go from from record setting to laughing stock in one season. The perception is and will always be that didn't play anyone....and lost when we did. 500 football is mediocre....the body of work is not that good! Completely ignorant or plain stupid could just as easy apply to you?
 
So, now we should compare ourselves with Michigan? Do you see a parallel with the on the field results? This is season 17 and he has 4 that are worth talking about? You go from from record setting to laughing stock in one season. The perception is and will always be that didn't play anyone....and lost when we did. 500 football is mediocre....the body of work is not that good! Completely ignorant or plain stupid could just as easy apply to you?
You are an idiot!
 
Thanks, is that all you got. When you can't defend something then you really show who the idiot is. Don't go away mad, just go away!
you don't understand recruiting and the challenges Iowa has in recruiting. You keep criticizing something that you don't understand. And for that you are an idiot! You want us to be Alabama or Michigan or Ohio State or USC but we aren't, never have been and probably never will be because of our recruiting base. Keep criticizing people for something you don't understand and I'll keep saying - You Are An Idiot!
 
you don't understand recruiting and the challenges Iowa has in recruiting. You keep criticizing something that you don't understand. And for that you are an idiot! You want us to be Alabama or Michigan or Ohio State or USC but we aren't, never have been and probably never will be because of our recruiting base. Keep criticizing people for something you don't understand and I'll keep saying - You Are An Idiot!

I understand recruiting and also people who want to make excuses for the lack of it. Our style of play has more to do with recruiting then demographics. So, you are the idiot and I will keep saying it!
 
I understand recruiting and also people who want to make excuses for the lack of it. Our style of play has more to do with recruiting them demographics. So, you are the idiot and I will keep saying it!
Okay...start by telling people how you create your recruiting pool? I actually do this for a living as a college basketball Coach and you? If you don't Coach what is your job?
 
I don't think anyone hates him. Everyone understands his limitations. He is an awesome leader for the program and university just not the best game day coach. Hopefully he pulls the plug when he is more on top than asked to leave.

Do you really think he will be fired someday? With all he has done here, it would have to take an absolute dumpster fire for him to be let go. The guy isn't a God by any means but he has led Iowa to 13 bowl games in the last 15 years. I don't think that is quite as easy as some here think it is.
 
I am NOT a recruiter. I have not coached at a level that matters, or been paid to coach. All coaches have access to recruits through Rivals and the other networks, you have legacy players, you have relationships with coaches from schools that produce D-1 prospects. You have to get the best available in Iowa, and foster relationships in other parts of the country, and go where the talent is. I would go to Florida, Texas, Ohio, I'll, and anywhere in between. I know people send in tapes, coaches call the current staff about players they have or know about. I think the way you play is equally important. Why would a highly talented receiver come to Iowa if not born here or a legacy player? They want to catch the ball, not be a blocker for a run based offense. That's one small example....Tom Osborne coached in a smaller state than Iowa. He won over the mothers and that's how he got a lot of the great athletes to Nebraska.
 
Do you really think he will be fired someday? With all he has done here, it would have to take an absolute dumpster fire for him to be let go. The guy isn't a God by any means but he has led Iowa to 13 bowl games in the last 15 years. I don't think that is quite as easy as some here think it is.
I don't think he will be fired. I am talking about 3 or 4 5-7 or worse seasons in a row and he keeps hanging on.
 
Wrong, YOU are completely stupid and plain ignorant. What did that undefeated regular season and some BS ass awards mean on the field yesterday??? Exactly, dumbass, NOTHING. Those down years you barely mention can never happen. At least to the extent and w/ the regularity that they have been. You have zero argument and are arguing out of butthurt and not from facts. Instead of being an emotional db, state an actual argument. Losing our last 4 bowl games in embarrassing fashion isn't the issue. It's HOW we lost that is inexcusable. Maybe when you grow up, you'll learn that.
You're really upset about this. Not an argument, just an observation.
 
What I would love to see, which almost never happens in the coaching world, is a transition plan.
KF isn't coaching forever. He at some point plans to step down.
If it follows the usual scenario he'll have a significant fall off on the field, recruiting and the record will suffer, and he'll retire on a down note after a couple of bad seasons.
Wouldn't it be nice to avoid that for a change?
 
Better enjoy him while we can. Who knows what the next coach will bring. Iowa could easily be a bottom feeder
 
I understand recruiting and also people who want to make excuses for the lack of it. Our style of play has more to do with recruiting then demographics. So, you are the idiot and I will keep saying it!

If you don't understand how important demographics are in recruiting then you don't understand recruiting.
 
I'd take 12-0 every year obviously, but I am really starting to question his bowl prep based on the last few bowl games
This.

If you study any film or news clipping, you DO NOT punt to the guy (thought we would have learned this when we punted to the Nebby returner...). Also, that much time to prepare and we seemed like we took the entire time off. You do not put your LBs on on CM, as he has done so often he left them all playing marbles on the ground as he ran around, over, under and thru 2nd level. CM was Lucy and we were Charlie Brown...
 
Not hating.
He's just, now, more in line with his salary, averaging out the 2010-2015 seasons.
 
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