Did you even put any thought into this? Read that again and you may want to edit. Hint - do you know what O Nebraska "ran"?
Did you even put any thought into this? Read that again and you may want to edit. Hint - do you know what O Nebraska "ran"?
In Kirk I Trust! We're going to see more 4 star recruits coming in, and it wouldn't surprise me to see a couple 5 stars coming in also. All the publicity Iowa received this year, the new football complex and Kirk's ability to place players in the NFL are all huge positives for next year, at least. One thing that really impressed me this year was how the Iowa players conducted themselves during press interviews. They were very articulate, well mannered and they represented the university very well - and all of that is a credit to Kirk and his program. Next year will be a good one, they probably won't go undefeated during the regular season but they'll be a tough out and they'll be ranked in the preseason - meaning more positive publicity for the football program. In evaluating any coach, one has to look at the entire scope of his program, and with Kirk we get nothing but class.
They were fairly even because our (West) top 3 teams didn't play their top 3 teams, and went 0-2 when we did. Our best beat up on their worst and vica versa so it was a stalemate. You can't trumpet KFs 12 wins as superior to Fry's best seasons because Fry had 11 games, not 12, and in the old format he never had the opportunity to go all year without playing the 3 best teams in the conference.
As a Iowa fan until you've gone through a Jerry Burns, Ray Nagel, Frank Lauterbur, Bob Commings the younger Hawk fans have no idea what a bad coach really is. I give Fry and Ferentz credit for making Iowa good in a state where 4-5 star recruits r hard to come by. When u look at teams like Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, and even Northwestern who are in better recruiting areas than Iowa and still suck, it does say something about Iowa coaching.
How is it that you know with any degree of certainty that games mentioned would always favor the East? Last anyone knew, Iowa and Michigan State did play for the Big Ten title and it was a very hard fought, close game.
Check again on Iowa football history. Iowa teams coached by Hayden Fry played twelve games in 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1996, and 1997. Fry led teams played thirteen games in each of the '84, '87, '88, seasons. The Big Ten has utilized an eight game conference format for decades. Since 1993 when Penn State joined the league, each Big Ten team has had years where better/worse teams were on the schedule.
What was heard from the beginning was how 'weak' all of the West was and that it would not compete at all with the East. So far, you have provided nothing to support that notion.
Well, #1 in the East beat us in the CCG, #3 in the East beat #2 in the West 38-0 and I would think OSU would likely beat Wisconsin. Absolutely certain? No. Fairly certain? Yes.
Also, with Fry's teams you as counting the bowl games among those 12, regular seasons were 11 games. I know some seasons schedules are easier but was there ever a season that Fry missed OSU, Michigan, PSU or the pre-1993 equivalent?
Yes, Michigan State from the East beat lowly Iowa from the West by a total of three points on an extended final drive in the fourth quarter. Do you actually believe that Iowa was not only competitive, but in position to win that very game?
Yes, bowl games are counted. I may stand corrected on this, but I think the overall difference in games played over the initial seventeen years each at Iowa is less than one dozen total. The ultimate point being that there is not this huge difference afforded to Ferentz coached teams that some of the naysayers want others to believe. Nothing about the initial, 'Iowa cannot possibly compete against the vastly superior East ... ' is altered by what Fry led teams did or did not accomplish.
Did not Iowa somehow manage to beat your '#2 in the West' by a considerable margin at #2's home field ? Did not poor ole Iowa travel to Madison, Wisconsin (the thirteenth time a Ferentz coached team has started league play away from Kinnick) and win a hard fought game? So, where is this fall-off that you want me/others to buy into?
Some people are just going to look for a negative in virtually anything to do with Iowa football under its current staff. Sorry for you if you found no enjoyment from this past season.
Yes we were very competitive against MSU and yes I enjoyed the season but the 'told you so's' suck to listen to. I was a big defender of the schedule during the year, but looking back there were some tell-tale signs: like every team (all 12) we beat, someone else beat them worse.
Again, I enjoyed this season more than any in at least 10 years and expect next year to be another great one.
Glad that you somehow managed to enjoy Iowa football.
Also pleased that at the end of all this, you really have nothing that shows the Big Ten West to be so severely limited compared to the East.
Oh the irony! For 4 months this board ripped anyone that suggested that our schedule was weak. Now most seem to admit it and use it to trash this team and the coaches.
Our schedule was not weak. Was it the toughest? No, but it was still an 8 game schedule in the Big Ten. I am sorry but its hard for teams to go on the road and win games and Iowa went into Wisky, NW (both 10 win teams), Indiana and @ Nebbie. They also traveled in the non-conf to a BCS opponent Iowa State. They played 5 road games vs BCS competition. Find me another team in the Big Ten that went on the road in non-conf and played another BCS team (OSU, Mich, and ???). Most teams schedule cupcakes in the non-conf and Iowa played Pitt & ISU and then went through an 8 game game Big Ten Schedule.
I realize the heave hitters weren't on there, but that's not Iowa's fault. They can't control how the Big Ten schedules. They cannot control who they play. So this argument of a "weak schedule" can be thrown out.
I will support KF until he leaves. He is a great coach who knows his X's and O's. I think there are years where some a breaks happen your way and other years where it doesn't. I look at this year with the 57yd field goal, Wisky fumble at the 1, ISU punting on 4th & 1 in Iowa territory, and Nebbie having Turnover issues. The breaks were in Iowa's favor and they took advantage of them. They won 12 games (11 vs FBS competition, 10 vs Power 5 teams). So they had a great run this year.
Recruiting to me personally isn't that big of deal. McCaffrey was rated the 77th best prospect in his class? Only a 4 star recruit, pretty sure the kid is the best player in College Football. Shouldn't of he been rated #1? There is no telling how a kid is going to pan out in college. I believe KF and his staff do the best with what they can get. Iowa is not exactly a destination for most players. Also the Big Ten has strict academic guidelines they must follow and if a player can get in, well they are not going to work out. I would rather have them get the players they know they can get and build them up into great players (desmond king 2 star recruit, will be playing in the NFL). Pretty sure Iowa had a big part to do with his development into a star.
I realize the heave hitters weren't on there, but that's not Iowa's fault. They can't control how the Big Ten schedules. They cannot control who they play. So this argument of a "weak schedule" can be thrown out.
I will support KF until he leaves. He is a great coach who knows his X's and O's. I think there are years where some a breaks happen your way and other years where it doesn't. I look at this year with the 57yd field goal, Wisky fumble at the 1, ISU punting on 4th & 1 in Iowa territory, and Nebbie having Turnover issues. The breaks were in Iowa's favor and they took advantage of them. They won 12 games (11 vs FBS competition, 10 vs Power 5 teams). So they had a great run this year.
Recruiting to me personally isn't that big of deal. McCaffrey was rated the 77th best prospect in his class? Only a 4 star recruit, pretty sure the kid is the best player in College Football. Shouldn't of he been rated #1? There is no telling how a kid is going to pan out in college. I believe KF and his staff do the best with what they can get. Iowa is not exactly a destination for most players. Also the Big Ten has strict academic guidelines they must follow and if a player can get in, well they are not going to work out. I would rather have them get the players they know they can get and build them up into great players (desmond king 2 star recruit, will be playing in the NFL). Pretty sure Iowa had a big part to do with his development into a star.
What does the offense they run have to do with demographics? You need to read the post and then come back after you READ that again. Hint: we weren't talking what offense teams are running? The question was about recruiting. Do you have something important to add, or are you just into drive bye's?
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Take your own advice and READ your post again chief about highly talented wrs wanting to catch the ball and not wanting to block in a running offense. You then mentioned Nebraska under TO which I find somewhat comical if you knew how they played. Hint:you did mention the type of offense when discussing recruiting.
And no I do not have anything important to say as this is a message board talking about football and thankfully for you anyone can post drivel. You really don't understand the demographics of a place like Iowa and how they tie-in to Kirk / Iowa's style of play do you?
No, enlighten me oh great informed one. Your drivel will more impressive I'm sure!
I believe only 2 iowa coaches have ever played 12 games in a season, so that is not too shocking
.Agreed! I'm too young to have seen those teams, but looking at the records it seems we should feel rather fortunate to have/had had Kirk and Hayden. Especially if you look at the only other power 5 school in Iowa.
When it came time for MU MSU and OSU to decide who was winning the east, I was honestly hoping for MSU as I felt they were the 3rd best in the east. Personally I'd say we played the 3rd best team in the east. Bowl games also back that up imo. That said, I laugh when people try to call the west the worst power 5 division.
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