Thank you for starting this thread! It is more productive than just complaining about the coach and players, like many other threads.
So what do you do to fix it?
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Thank you for starting this thread! It is more productive than just complaining about the coach and players, like many other threads.
Exactly.
If you're planning on switching most stuff anyway there isn't a big difference.
The whole 2nd half as far as I can remember against Illinois when they pressed they went to man after.
So saying it can't be done is a non point.
Fran just likes zone. Hes always used zone at times.
True but he really looked like a freshman last night. Perhaps, just a fluke but pretty normal for a freshman against better competition in a hostile environment.
That is not at all surprising.
Hes a better player.
Sandfort moves and defends with a purpose. Pat just kind of floats around the floor and does whatever strikes his fancy.
There are not any fixes for a coach who year after year cannot instill fundamentals or recruit players capable of matching the athleticism of their opponents. It was men against boys last night at all 5 spots regardless of the lineup Fran put on the floor. PG play is dreadful. The team completely wilts when faced with tough man D. Watching Iowa on the boards is like watching a dachshund square off against a bullmastiff.
No one (me) said it can’t be done. I said it is harder and it is.
kenpom
Adjusted Offense #6
Adjusted Defense #116
what does this tell us needs to change?
answer:
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Adjusted Offense #6
Adjusted Defense #116
what does this tell us needs to change?
answer:
What would a defense 1st starting lineup and rotation be like?
What would happen if Fran played his best defensive lineup more, but still ran up tempo? What if that lineup went: Murray, Murray, Ogundele, Perkins and JoeT? Rim protectors? Check. Rebounders? Check. Perimeter defense? Check. Scorers? Murrays and Perkins, check. Over all Defense. Double check...
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Get better athletes . Stop playing your kids . More time for Keis Murray .Less time for JBO against highly athletic teams.
Lots more time for Ulis over JT.
more time for JO. Just a Few things IMo
Good post OP - I had a similar post on Saturday I think where I discussed who I thought should be out there to Medicare the major rebounding issues. Here’s my take on the 3 spot:
“Kris Murray
Per game: MPG - 18.4/ PPG - 10.4 / RBPG - 5.7 / APG - 1.0 / STL - .8 / BLK - .8
shooting splits - (FG%/2pt%/3pt%/FT%) - 50% / 52.3% / 46.4% / 64.3%
Per 40 min: (PPG/RBPG/APG/STL/BLK) - 22.7 / 12.3 / 2.2 / 1.7 / 1.7
Pmac
Per game: MPG - 23.6/ PPG - 11.4 / RBPG - 2.8 / APG - 1.9 / STL - .4 / BLK - .3
shooting splits - (FG%/2pt%/3pt%/FT%) - 40.8% / 48.1% / 25% / 82.1%
Per 40 min: (PPG/RBPG/APG/STL/BLK) - 19.3 / 4.7 / 3.2 / .6 / .4
If you look at the advanced statistics Kris sits at the top just below his brother, 2nd on the team in eFG%, points produced, total rebounding percentage (just below Josh O), 3rd in block %, 2nd on WS/40, 2nd on +/- behind Keegan.
The sad thing is, Kris is 8th on the team in minutes played. Patrick has (by KM's MPG average) an entire game's worth of minutes played on Kris, and he still hasn't matched his production in almost every important statistic. Let alone the statistic we are struggling with the MOST - Rebounding.
Kris played 16 minutes last night because of his 2 fouls early on, but he still should not have left the floor in the 2nd half. He had a +/- of 11, the highest on the team. played 9 minutes less than Patrick, had 6 rebounds, 3 offensive to Patricks 4 total, and added 2 steals and 2 blocks, which Patrick garnered 1 block. Patrick isn't the exception here, the entire team played poorly, I'm just comparing a small sample within a larger pool of statistics.
Patrick can score, yes, and he does some other things well (run the floor, he's long and can disrupt passing lanes, and fast for his size) but almost all of the things he does well, Kris does as well, if not BETTER. Am I wrong thinking it's an abomination that Kris is not in our starting lineup? Tell me I'm wrong.”
Thats a synopsis of saying he should start essentially but the bigger point is the personnel on the floor. Fran will never slash minutes of his beloved veterans to what they need to be, in my opinion we need dogs out there eating the major share of minutes and FFS GET RID OF THE NO EXCEPTION 2 FOULS RULE. WE HAVE 11 MEN IN A ROTATION PLENTY OF BODIES!
Ulis/joe
Tony P
Kris
Keegan
Rebraca or Josh O.
Jordan/Pmac first off the bench with Joe/Ahron or Josh/filip
Hopefully this 8 day break will give the guys sometime to get things sharpened and get Keegan healthy. @PHawkKenyon any chance Keegan is 100% next week? Not that being 100% is a common status in conference play.
Fingers crossed that he is, but if not, it is a long season.
“…and FFS GET RID OF THE NO EXCEPTION 2 FOULS RULE. WE HAVE 11 MEN IN A ROTATION PLENTY OF BODIES!…”
this is proving to be the coaching blunder that embodies Frans IOWA career.
1. Terrible defense, #116 this year, despite all the cup cakes.
2. Non-competitive 1st half’s.
3. 2 foul rule underlies both.
( who was the last time PMac had 2 fouls in the 1st Half? ever? he knows it’s a 1 way ticket to the bench)
i re-watched Iowa vs Iowa State game... we looked SO bad at times on D, man, zone, it didn't matter. Just in bad positions, not boxing out, just looked like a team that didn't think we could win TBH, although that may not be true. I understand they all want to win more than us, but I'm sure it was a crazy environment.
That being said, there is more than enough blame to go around. A lot of guys I thought were doing well defensively (Joe, Keegan, and Perkins) all looked very exposed at times, and I love all 3 of them as 2 way guys. I think it was just a bad game, and we will learn and grow from it. I know these guys watch a ton of film so they are going to see exactly what I saw, and know a lot more than I do about how to fix their own mistakes. I have faith in our team, we are better than we showed out on Thursday. Just wasn't our night.
No excuse because he suited up, Keegan wasn’t 100. Hoping he is by Saturday. If not….
I agree with a lot here And IOWA is not the 1st team to fall behind the sticks and get blown out at Hilton.
but giving up more offensive rebounds than you collect defensive rebounds is always going to end up in a Loss, if not a blow loss..
IOWA has plenty of length and even some size, but if Fran can’t figure out the right lineup or the right defensive schemes, this is going to be a long season of blow outs…
if not… LOTS of games left and we will learn and keep growing along the way. As long as guys are on the floor I’m confident in their decision to be out there. Keegan had an off night, not 100%, in an extremely hostile environment. It happens and we are 7-3 and conference play has barely started. Fans don’t need to panic. We are going to bounce back strong
One thing we really need to work on is finding a body and glueing your ass to them as soon as a shot goes up. Hard in zone, but in man - That HAS to be essential at this point because we have been very poor at it, really no exceptions. As critical as I have been on Pmac on these boards, he has been one of the better ones at boxing out. Surprised me.
I appreciate Kenyon's responses.
It was clear that Keegan wasn't 100%. He is a star and the go to guy on this team and doesn't want to let his teammates down. I have no doubt that when he's physically closer to peak that he will once again show that he is one of the best players in the league.
I wouldn't put Kenyon on the spot and do not expect him to comment on this, but I can't imagine he has been thrilled with the team's rebounding efforts recently.
It was clear that Keegan wasn't 100%. He is a star and the go to guy on this team and doesn't want to let his teammates down. I have no doubt that when he's physically closer to peak that he will once again show that he is one of the best players in the league.
I wouldn't put Kenyon on the spot and do not expect him to comment on this, but I can't imagine he has been thrilled with the team's rebounding efforts recently.
We need Keegan to be 100% but that's not going to solve the issues. At times it seems we're slow to react when rebounding. Other times it seems we're out of position. Then there are times it seems like the ref's aren't calling over the back like they did in previous years. We've been spoiled for the last 4+ years with having Garza, Reiner, Cook, and others who could rebound. We see how valuable they were. Somehow I feel like we need Josh or Riley to step up. Not sure that can happen.
IOWA played their best game of the season AT Purdue WITHOUT Keegan…
recall what happened in the game?
DEFENSE was played from the opening minute, IOWA was aggressive, committing fouls with abandon, defending on the perimeter, creating TOs, defending shots in the paint, and rebounding. All aspects, with out Keegan
what the hell has happened in the last 2 games?
that is the question we should be asking….
defensive rating now at #116
Ever heard of a crutch??? When a “star” player is OUT, there can be a sense of heightened focus because he/she is out. When said player comes back, teams “relax” because of the “impact” of that player coming back in the lineup. Probably the best scenario I can come up with is when we lost Chris Street. With no practice for 2 weeks, we put together two incredible games at MSU and home v. Michigan. We came down to earth the next three games going 1-2. We had to figure out how to play with the roster we had. Obviously different because Keegan is still here, but a scenario I think is warranted in response to this post.
Big problem with players not knowing their roles. The players are too tentative. You've got Bohannon, set some picks for him. You want Keegan going to the basket, set some picks.
I fear this team is going to disprove a feature of McC's kind of fundamental beliefs, positionless basketball looks good but its ill suited to our conference.
I fear this team is going to disprove a feature of McC's kind of fundamental beliefs, positionless basketball looks good but its ill suited to our conference.
I’m familiar with that phenomenon, and now that you bring up that example, I do recall actually watching this game recently being re-run on B1G Network, I think it was rebroadcast at midnight on a Friday night and I ended up watching the entire game, it was throughly entertaining reliving that game so thank you for bringing it up and I do think it has some merit here in this discussion as I had definitely not thought of that angle.
In my view, the defensive intensity was as high as I’ve seen it, we were so aggressive defensively, especially in the 1st half, recording a season high 16 fouls in the 1st half, in looking back I see that 4 guys had 2 fouls and another had 3 (had that ever happened under Fran before?) I see we also created 17 TOs and limited Purdue to only 8 OFf Rebounds for the game.
I guess the question from a coaching perspective would be how can you recreate that defensive intensity again? (As that mix of players certainly played well vs the #1 team in offensive efficiency (going in)
and #2 would be how can you as a coach use those inherent capabilities into reducing their kenpom defensive rating #116 and improving their defensive rebounding, because those 2 are going to impair our chance at winning consistently
Let Keegan get healthy. This team looks a lot better with a healthy Keegan.
Sandfort was 2 - 8 for 6 points over the past 3 games. He wasn't ready for the B1G yet.
I agree with you. He needs a little more time. Maybe 6-8 minutes a game would be ok.
Just happy they have this long break to help get Keegan healthy. They need his production and leadership for sure.
I have to think Keegan being healthy helps our shooters get open as well.
I hope they rebound better and right the ship here before the rest of Big Ten play.
I have to think Keegan being healthy helps our shooters get open as well.
I hope they rebound better and right the ship here before the rest of Big Ten play.
The next time Sanfort comes in and goes 3-4 from 3, the Hyperboles will be demanding he starts…lol,
You know what's kinda funny about this is Patrick has only committed 4 fouls in 8 games. He has only committed 2 fouls in one game. He's second on the team in minutes. How in the hell do you play huge minutes in 8 games and only commit 4 fouls? I'm guessing crashing the boards and playing tough aggressive defense isn't the answer to that one.
Garza wasn't called for many fouls either and he was always in the middle of the scrum. Are you saying we would be better off, or that Patrick would be a better player, if he fouled more? I agree with your premise that we need more rebounds from him (and just about everyone), just not more fouls.
Wow, great find. I was fairly certain that PMac has never had 2 fouls in the 1st half in his career, but had no idea he was this adverse to fouling.
there is certainly a balance needed between fouling and and playing aggressive defense , however, although I’ve no data to prove this point, I would say that a player with consistently poor defensive values, and who is completely foul adverse, is probably one that needs to be more aggressive , particularly whenyou are gifted with size, speed, an athleticism…
also has had 2 blocks, and 2 steals the entire season - Kris did that in 16 minutes against ISU. I can get the lack of fouls on Patrick a little bit since we played cupcakes... all of his fouls have come in the past 3 games.
Much better game tonight. Pmacs best of the year, several guys playing great both ways and most importantly we hit the boards hard and got our second chance points.
HBD @PHawkKenyon what a gift to watch your boys both LIGHT IT UP! 35 and 17 not too shabby as well as some huge defensive plays. Love watching this team click
HBD @PHawkKenyon what a gift to watch your boys both LIGHT IT UP! 35 and 17 not too shabby as well as some huge defensive plays. Love watching this team click
