That’s just silly. The Big Ten has not lost any of these games because how a game was officiated. Purdue is big and slow. Lost to a quicker, more athletic team. OSU had defensive troubles down the stretch and their loss is just unacceptable. ORU is not good. Loyola is a legit team, should have been a 4-5 seed, but again still a team you should beat. The officials or how the game was called had zero bearing on these games. Buckeyes and Illini are loaded with 4 star talent. No comparison between the teams they lost to.
So, why is the B1G Ten struggling so far in the tournament...
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Wisconsin beat Loyola early. I think the big ten was worn out. Part of that had to do with the physical play allowed by the league.
Big has some really good players, So does the rest of the country, What the Big lacks is high level NBA talent, In this day and age the talent gap between power conferences and “mid majors” just doesn’t seem to be that great. So I guess my vote would be Big overrated in conjunction with smaller conferences perhaps not given proper respect.
just a question on the reffing as I havent caught much of the games, specifically with the illinois and wisconsin losses is it that the refs aren’t calling games tighter, but are they being called more consistent for both teams?
was Loyola getting called for things wthat Illinois was getting away with on the other end? I don’t mind physical play, but if you are going to allow it, don’t call one team for the slightest contact while letting the other team bump and hold.
It looked just like a big ten game. Lots of bumping by both teams, some bad calls both ways.
Overall Illinois probably got more favorable calls their way and were definitely not penalized for being physical.
Officiating had nothing to do with the outcome.
Illinois flat out played like crap against a team they weren’t probably taking as seriously as they should.
Yes. The downside to playing in a rough conference. Everyone is black and blue by the time the tourney comes around.
But you know what Spencer Lee says about excuses???
Tremendous post...LuC shoulda been a high #3 seed and ILL was a low #1 seed.
losing 3 games is OT is why I voted for bad luck...
It’s a weird year and weird things are going to happen in the tournament. The Big 12 isn’t doing much better than the Big 10.
At some point you have to look at the fact that the Big Ten hasn’t had a national champion since 2000 and realize that there is more to it than the conference simply being overrated every year. For whatever reason, Big Ten teams either don’t improve in conference play, or do not become prepared for tournament basketball
Id be interested to know how final 4 teams over the last 20 years breaks down by conference.
Im assuming the big ten would be fairly well represented.
The big doesn't have a true blue blood though so F4 usually seems to be the ceiling.
No, they're not "damn good". They have 2 scorers and 10 losses.
Pretty comparably across the major conferences based on my brief and limited research, though conference realignment has made it tough to make an apples to apples comparison. Ultimately, you gotta win the big game
so loyala wasnt sitting with 8-9 fouls with 8 mins to go in a half while illinois only had 3 called on them?
I don’t think the B10 has been overrated over that period, maybe the 2000-2010 range but from 2010 on, the B10 has performed very well in the tournament with a ton of final four appearances over that stretch.
The B10 actually has the most final four appearances of any conference since 2010 after checking.
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The fact we had to look that up speaks to how irrelevant final four appearances are from a conference perspective. Time for the Big Ten to bring one home
Tho we have won and compensated some, the loss of Nunge and the impact on Garza/minutes/wearing down is showing. Those who have “looked back “ — hope Oregon and others get a glimpse of early season Garza in the paint ( the the 4 3’s were pretty sweet against GCU).
The narrative is that big ten teams lose due to the reffs allowing them to get away with fouling during conference season and then in the tournament they are whistled for those fouls that are ignored in conference.
I think this has actually been true at certain times in the past but it has not been happening this year.
I don't know what the exact foul counts were but Illinois was not getting frequently whistled for touch fouls against Loyola.
It would make sense that Loyola would have more fouls as they were more agressive defensively.
I would have to look up who has the most titles too. Final Four appearances aren’t irrelevant at all. Every school minus UCLA hangs banners for them. Having multiple teams with final four appearances speaks more for conference quality than a team like Villanova winning a couple titles does for the overall strength of the Big East.
I agree, but the reason I think it hasn't happened is they usually run into a true blue blood in the F4.
The fact that big ten teams frequently get to the F4 and its usually MSU and sometimes Wisconsin would indicate that all the grabbing defense actually does not hurt you in the tournament.
Atleast until you play a Duke, UNC or Kentucky. Then you do get whistled for all those touch fouls.
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It’s bonkers a portion of our fan base is blaming this on officiating.
or maybe....The BIG just wasn’t that outstanding? It appears teams like OSU, PU and Illinois were over seeded significantly. Jury is still out on Iowa and Michigan. If they win they’re at least carrying the torch, and how about Rutgers?!
or maybe....The BIG just wasn’t that outstanding? It appears teams like OSU, PU and Illinois were over seeded significantly. Jury is still out on Iowa and Michigan. If they win they’re at least carrying the torch, and how about Rutgers?!
The B10 was really deep, but with a lot if teams that we're really 6 to 11 seeds. Purdue and OSU benefitted with seeds by being better than the middle and lower part of the B10, but they were definitely vulnerable. Illinois got matched up with a team that, if it was in a major conference, probably would have gotten a 2-4 seed. Still those we're all upsets.
The tops of some of the other conferences were as good as anyone in the B10. And the PAC12 was clearly underrated. They've been weak for years so they were punished for that. Theyve obviously been better than their seeds. Hell, Oregon won the PAC12 regular season but got stuck with a 7 seed!
This year, more than normal, the seeding isn't matching up to actual quality of teams. That's always tough to gauge, but worse in a pandemic year. I am more worried about Oregon than I was before the tourney started, but I'm also confident that Iowa is capable. It's more of a Sweet Sixteen type of matchup than a round of 32.
The tops of some of the other conferences were as good as anyone in the B10. And the PAC12 was clearly underrated. They've been weak for years so they were punished for that. Theyve obviously been better than their seeds. Hell, Oregon won the PAC12 regular season but got stuck with a 7 seed!
This year, more than normal, the seeding isn't matching up to actual quality of teams. That's always tough to gauge, but worse in a pandemic year. I am more worried about Oregon than I was before the tourney started, but I'm also confident that Iowa is capable. It's more of a Sweet Sixteen type of matchup than a round of 32.
Lets not forget these are one and dones, anthing can happen. You play 5 games each and I'd put money down Ill/OSU/purdue would win 4 out of 5. I still think big 10 was clearly best conf top to bottom.
Yeah, OSU is physical defense team too.
Purdue is another physical team that has had pretty good recent success.
The whole narrative is just sour grapes Iowa fans mad that more athletic teams give Iowa some trouble.
At the time of our BIG tourney loss to IL, I posted that it could be a blessing in disguise. Why go thru another meat grinder of a game that will basically have no impact on your seed? Better to get the day of the champ game off, avoid injuries, and not get beaten up in a physical game. Interesting that the two teams that played in the BIG champ are both gone now.
Also, and i'm sure there's nothing to this, but it is a little weird that the BIG ncaa championship drought coincides exactly with the BIG tourney being introduced. 98 was the first year of the BIG tourney, only 1 ncaa champ since then. Can't imagine it helps teams at all to get the crap beat out of them for 3-4 games in 3-4 days, then turn around right away and play in the NCAA a few days later.
Agree, luck is a huge factor in 1 game scenarios.
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I have said that for a while....while March Madness is fun, it does not produce a true champ. If we want one true champion, that can actually claim the mantle of best of the best, need to trim the field and go to series ala the NBA
This. Ken Pom is very good and was shocked that Loyola was ranked that high. Still think Illinois would take care of business but they had a tough draw. And the B1G with their refs have set us up for some disappointment.
agreed but since the major appeal of the tourney is upsets that'll never happen. just need the combo of skill and luck to line up perfectly.
its also why i hate the nba/superteam thing... its boring when you know only a handful of teams can win it all
Point me to any indicator that says they're anything above average...
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I’m not saying Final Four appearances are meaningless to a school or its fans. Meaningless from a conference representation perspective
Wow. Just wow.Point me to any indicator that says they're anything above average...
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That's not an indicator...c'mon, if they're so good, you should have a wealth of data to reference.
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