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Some in Netanyahu’s Government Pressure Him to Reject Longer Cease-Fire

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As international pressure grows to extend a temporary cease-fire with Hamas, some right-wing members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government are threatening to bring it down if he does not resume fighting in Gaza.
The far-right national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, said on Wednesday that if Israel did not continue its war with Hamas, his political faction would leave the government coalition.
“Stopping the war = breaking apart the government,” said Mr. Ben-Gvir in a written statement.
While Mr. Ben-Gvir’s departure alone would not topple the government, it would give Mr. Netanyahu a very slim majority to keep his hold on power.
On Monday, Israel and Hamas agreed to prolong their cease-fire to six days from four, under a deal that would see the ongoing exchange of Palestinian prisoners for Israeli hostages, and mediators are trying to hammer out another extension. The longer pause was largely cheered by the Israeli public, which has been watching round-the-clock news coverage documenting the return of Israeli civilians who were kidnapped from their homes on Oct. 7.

But far-right members of Mr. Netanyahu’s government have been critical of the cease-fire, arguing that Israel should continue its military assault on Gaza. Mr. Ben-Gvir, who went from being a fringe figure in the Israeli settler movement to his current role in Mr. Netanyahu’s government, has been especially vocal, at times calling for Israel to “eliminate” anyone who supports Hamas.
Mr. Netanyahu can ill afford to alienate Mr. Ben-Gvir, who is part of a right-wing coalition of parties who give the prime minister a slim majority in the parliament. If he fails to hold a majority of the 120 seats, he would need to try to form a new coalition, or face another national election.
Two members of Mr. Netanyahu’s staff, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to reporters, said the Israeli prime minister wanted to avoid elections at any cost.
Mr. Netanyahu’s approval ratings have steadily declined since the Oct. 7 attacks on Israel. In a poll conducted by Israel’s Bar-Ilan University earlier this month, trust in Mr. Netanyahu was at 4 percent. In another poll, conducted by the Israeli Maariv newspaper last week, 57 percent of Israelis said they would vote for Benny Gantz, a moderate member of Mr. Netanyahu’s war cabinet, for prime minister, over the 27 percent who said they would vote for Mr. Netanyahu.
Mr. Netanyahu has also been conducting his own polling, said the two staff members, and felt he would not fare well in a national election if it were held in the coming months.
 
He should keep it on longer for sure. It's only a matter of time before Hamas kidnaps and rapes more people. Of course, the chorus of "Well, the Jews deserved it" will continue to ring from the terrorist supporting faction of the left. But at least reasonable people will have a chance to see it unfold.
 
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Netanyahu has to do what is best for the country and the citizens and eliminate every terrorist who poses a threat to their existence.
Period.
 
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Netanyahu has to do what is best for the country and the citizens and eliminate every terrorist who poses a threat to their existence.
Period.
Absolutely. But, having nuts like Ben-Gvir in the Israeli government got us to this point. And, killing Palestinians doesn’t equal killing terrorists. Netanyahu seems to be confusing the two things in a desperate bid to stay in power.
 
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Absolutely. But, having nuts like Ben-Gvir in the Israeli government got us to this point. And, killing Palestinians doesn’t equal killing terrorists. Netanyahu seems to be confusing the two things in a desperate bid to stay in power.
When Hamas hides behind their civilians those deaths are pretty hard to avoid.
 
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When Hamas hides behind their civilians those deaths are pretty hard to avoid.
What ratio of civilians to actual terrorists are you comfortable with?
1. Again, Ben-Gvir is a horrible human being who views Muslims as sub-human and believes they should be expelled from Israel. He's a horrible, horrible person.
2. Israel is never going to defeat Hamas purely via military means. As long as they keep getting money from Iran, other donors, somewhat legitimate means, and through graft that they can keep safely tucked away in Turkey and Gulf States, then you won't beat them. Israel needs to go after the funding of Hamas.
3. For almost 20 years Israel lived with Hamas as a static enemy. Netanyahu is largely to blame for this. It is not a stretch to say that Israeli policy weakened civilian control of Gaza and made Hamas the pre-eminent power. Israel needs to find a political partner to work with if they want to end this, and end civilian deaths. I have my doubts that Netanyahu, and the people like Ben-Gvir who keep Netanyahu in power care about ending civilian deaths.
 
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What ratio of civilians to actual terrorists are you comfortable with?
1. Again, Ben-Gvir is a horrible human being who views Muslims as sub-human and believes they should be expelled from Israel. He's a horrible, horrible person.
2. Israel is never going to defeat Hamas purely via military means. As long as they keep getting money from Iran, other donors, somewhat legitimate means, and through graft that they can keep safely tucked away in Turkey and Gulf States, then you won't beat them. Israel needs to go after the funding of Hamas.
3. For almost 20 years Israel lived with Hamas as a static enemy. Netanyahu is largely to blame for this. It is not a stretch to say that Israeli policy weakened civilian control of Gaza and made Hamas the pre-eminent power. Israel needs to find a political partner to work with if they want to end this, and end civilian deaths. I have my doubts that Netanyahu, and the people like Ben-Gvir who keep Netanyahu in power care about ending civilian deaths.
Holy shit.
 
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What ratio of civilians to actual terrorists are you comfortable with?
1. Again, Ben-Gvir is a horrible human being who views Muslims as sub-human and believes they should be expelled from Israel. He's a horrible, horrible person.
2. Israel is never going to defeat Hamas purely via military means. As long as they keep getting money from Iran, other donors, somewhat legitimate means, and through graft that they can keep safely tucked away in Turkey and Gulf States, then you won't beat them. Israel needs to go after the funding of Hamas.
3. For almost 20 years Israel lived with Hamas as a static enemy. Netanyahu is largely to blame for this. It is not a stretch to say that Israeli policy weakened civilian control of Gaza and made Hamas the pre-eminent power. Israel needs to find a political partner to work with if they want to end this, and end civilian deaths. I have my doubts that Netanyahu, and the people like Ben-Gvir who keep Netanyahu in power care about ending civilian deaths.
1. ok
2. Israel needs to remove Hamas from Gaza, they can only do that through military means. Kind of shocked you're swallowing Hamas propaganda on this issue.
3. I blame Hamas for Oct 7. The bolded is revisionist history...Hamas has been the civilian leadership since 2006.


(CNN) -- Hamas deserves to be recognized by the international community, and despite the group's militant history, there is a chance the soon-to-be Palestinian leaders could turn away from violence, former President Jimmy Carter said Wednesday.

Carter, who monitored last week's Palestinian elections in which Hamas handily toppled the ruling Fatah, added that the United States should not cut off aid to the Palestinian people, but rather funnel it through third parties like the U.N.

 
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1. ok
2. Israel needs to remove Hamas from Gaza, they can only do that through military means. Kind of shocked you're swallowing Hamas propaganda on this issue.
3. I blame Hamas for Oct 7. The bolded is revisionist history...Hamas has been the civilian leadership since 2006.


(CNN) -- Hamas deserves to be recognized by the international community, and despite the group's militant history, there is a chance the soon-to-be Palestinian leaders could turn away from violence, former President Jimmy Carter said Wednesday.

Carter, who monitored last week's Palestinian elections in which Hamas handily toppled the ruling Fatah, added that the United States should not cut off aid to the Palestinian people, but rather funnel it through third parties like the U.N.

I'm not swallowing anything from Hamas, or fail to understand how long they've been in power. Hamas is a political and military organization. Cut off their money to kill them. Cut off their political power and give the people of Gaza another option. They won an election in 2006, and have no legitimacy since then. Netanyahu benefited from low level conflict. The phrase, "mowing the grass", comes from Netanyahu's occasional use of military power to provide the low level conflict he benefited from. He could have gone around Hamas and worked to delegitimize them, and to create both a pathway to a two state solution, and to provide stability in Gaza. He failed. He failed on 10/7 because he put nuts in his cabinet, and he allowed assets to be moved towards the West Bank instead of the border with Gaza. He failed to protect his citizens. Saying that doesn't remove blame from the people who actually carried out the attack. The incursion was an absolute s**t show. Multiple breaches by thousands of Hamas terrorists. They had the run of Southern Israel for 12 hours. That's on Netanyahu.
 
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I'm not swallowing anything from Hamas, or fail to understand how long they've been in power. Hamas is a political and military organization. Cut off their money to kill them. Cut off their political power and give the people of Gaza another option. They won an election in 2006, and have no legitimacy since then. Netanyahu benefited from low level conflict. The phrase, "mowing the grass", comes from Netanyahu's occasional use of military power to provide the low level conflict he benefited from. He could have gone around Hamas and worked to delegitimize them, and to create both a pathway to a two state solution, and to provide stability in Gaza. He failed. He failed on 10/7 because he put nuts in his cabinet, and he allowed assets to be moved towards the West Bank instead of the border with Gaza. He failed to protect his citizens. Saying that doesn't remove blame from the people who actually carried out the attack. The incursion was an absolute s**t show. Multiple breaches by thousands of Hamas terrorists. They had the run of Southern Israel for 12 hours. That's on Netanyahu.
You’re entitled to your opinion but I put it in the same category as the folks that blame NATO expansion for Russia invading Ukraine.
 
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What ratio of civilians to actual terrorists are you comfortable with?
What ratio of the civilians support the terrorists, and how should we count them?

Polls seems to put it over 4 in 5, which would mean 12,000 of the 15,000 dead civilians were the type to cheer news of a Jewish concert goers getting slaughtered.
 
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