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Some of you need to wake up!

No idea what you are talking about with the switching channels thing, you must have me confused with somebody else.

Yes, in a couple of weeks I have flopped on the extension KF was given. How this team has been coached the last couple of weeks woke me up and reminded me what the last 5 years or so was like, last year being the exception. There was no reason to extend a guy out that wasn't going anywhere anyway.

By almost every recruiting measurement Nebraska has been outrecruiting Iowa. Now you can say, so what we develop players, which is true. But recruiting is the life blood of college football and the better recruits you have the better players you can develop. Way too many people throw up their hands and just say we can't compete on the recruiting front. That's loser talk. We can compete if we want to. Iowa has a lot to offer, too many of our fans sell the program short and provide the crutch that is needed to accept mediocrity.

The NDSU coach wouldn't do as well? Well, he brought a team in here with a smidgeon of the resources that KF has available to him at Iowa and kicked his ass. He outschemed him, out coached him, his players looked more prepared and better conditioned. The guy rarely, if ever loses. There was another coach that had that kind of success at the FCS level and moved on to a Big Ten program, his name was Jim Tressel and he went from Youngstown State (same conference as NDSU BTW) to Ohio State and rebuilt them into a power.

Root for NDSU? I actually hate the Bison.


My bad on the switching channels...

There are/were plenty of reasons to offer an extension to Kirk Ferentz not the least to mention being the idea that other programs were very likely pointing out to potential recruits that they may not know who would be coaching them at Iowa should they decide to go there. Either you do value recruitment of athletes or you do not. Which do you prefer?

And in that vain, if recruiting (rankings) are so important to you, then it is foolish for you to try to deny the need for an extension. As for UN, it does not matter one iota to me what some 'expert' thinks about their recruiting. Nebraska has now been a part of the Big Ten for five full seasons and there is very little to suggest they are light years ahead of Iowa in terms of football programs. You sound a lot like a certain AD in Lincoln that smugly made it clear how he feels about lowly, inferior Iowa football when he fired Bo Pelini. If you want to recall 'loser mentality' then look no further than that example.

You do not know that the NDSU or any other coaching staff would do as well. To pretend that you do is foolish. We can debate how well NDSU schemed and played until the cows all come home, but you will have a very tough time convincing me that he is some elite coach at the FBS level of college football. To compound your stupidity, you want to throw out the name of Jim Tressel and Ohio State? [Good to know that you consider the Iowa program every bit as excellent as tOSU though!] BTW, where exactly is Jim Tressel these days and why is he no longer coaching in the highest level of all of college football?

Kirk Ferentz is the coach of Iowa. You want to place all the criticism of the most recent two weeks on him and subtly overlook that the 'mediocre' five years you refer to is all of one game removed from being the Nebraska that you wish to point out as some shining example of how to do things. Try appreciating something for more than a day or two at a time - or go support Jim Tressel. He could really use your backing.
 
Instead of asking the average age of this board, maybe ask the average age of the KF haters. I'd say it skews to the 20's. What are the odds Iowa would fare better than mich, ND, Texas, Penn st. Etc....? I'd put the odds at 1-5% chance they would fare better with a coaching change and 80% chance they'd fare worse.
 
I'd put the odds at 1-5% chance they would fare better with a coaching change and 80% chance they'd fare worse.

I'd say that's fair. Fans don't want to acknowledge that the other teams have coaches and players that give 100% effort to win on Saturday too. The only real advantage Iowa has over many of those teams is money. Well, money can buy wins, but it doesn't buy championships.
 
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You asked for an "explosive receiver" ... a term defined by the beholder. I did not say they were in the pros. So much for inaccurate comments. Go back and read your post.

I attended and financially supported the Hawks for over 40 years. I don't believe I acquired any ownership for that support - I was provided with entertainment, and I got my money's worth. I get to choose to be a fan, or not be a fan. I am not aware of any other power.

I'm not sure what you are expecting. Some sort of revolt? How about let's get together and shout, "We demand excellence! If we don't get it, we will shout it again!"


Neither McNutt nor Smith were explosive, nor did they make it in the pros. The pro scouts are a better "beholder" than you. McNutt had great hands and ran great routes. Average speed. Tevaun's speed was good, but not playing on Sunday. You still can't explain to me why we don't have explosive receivers who can get separation? Seems to be a constant.

Never said tickets=ownership. But if fans are paying a lot of money it's reasonable to expect some results, or at least living up to their potential. The drop in season ticket sales several years ago got their attention to be sure. I suppose someone with no balls would shout "We demand excellence" or some other pointless statement. Maybe you should change your name to Mediocrity_4shur.
 
Maybe "some results" and "living up to potential" are things that you are not qualified to judge? Maybe nobody truly is.

Maybe your definition of results is higher than others? Exactly what are you basing that definition on? Maybe the ultimate potential you define is faulty?


This is why I wait for the games to actually be played over an entire season. It truly is the only valid, known truth of a football season. All those "predict the Iowa record" threads...I really don't post in them at all cause when it get's right down to it, we're all guessing.

Remember how good Oklahoma and LSU were supposed to be this year? No matter what happens the rest of the year for both, it's pitchfork and hammer handles times in Baton Rouge and Norman. FOOTBALL EXPERTS nationwide got those two wrong.

What makes any of us the final arbiter of what Iowa should or shouldn't be...ever?
 
Neither McNutt nor Smith were explosive, nor did they make it in the pros. The pro scouts are a better "beholder" than you. McNutt had great hands and ran great routes. Average speed. Tevaun's speed was good, but not playing on Sunday. You still can't explain to me why we don't have explosive receivers who can get separation? Seems to be a constant.

Never said tickets=ownership. But if fans are paying a lot of money it's reasonable to expect some results, or at least living up to their potential. The drop in season ticket sales several years ago got their attention to be sure. I suppose someone with no balls would shout "We demand excellence" or some other pointless statement. Maybe you should change your name to Mediocrity_4shur.

Huh, you left out the part about what it is that we SHOULD do, other than be miserable of course. Perhaps you should change your name to Still.Hot.Air.hawkeye.
 
Maybe "some results" and "living up to potential" are things that you are not qualified to judge? Maybe nobody truly is.

Maybe your definition of results is higher than others? Exactly what are you basing that definition on? Maybe the ultimate potential you define is faulty?


This is why I wait for the games to actually be played over an entire season. It truly is the only valid, known truth of a football season. All those "predict the Iowa record" threads...I really don't post in them at all cause when it get's right down to it, we're all guessing.

Remember how good Oklahoma and LSU were supposed to be this year? No matter what happens the rest of the year for both, it's pitchfork and hammer handles times in Baton Rouge and Norman. FOOTBALL EXPERTS nationwide got those two wrong.

What makes any of us the final arbiter of what Iowa should or shouldn't be...ever?

I don't need to see the rest of the season to play out to know that Iowa is having issues after watching the Hawks lose to an FCS team. I don't care how many wins that FCS team has, how many FCS championships, or in how high of a regard they are held, NDSU has 63 scholarships, 25 less than Iowa, and has a fraction of the football budget and resources of Iowa. No way Iowa should lose to an FCS program, no way.

Then to follow up that lackluster performance with a snoozer against a bottom half BIG team in Rutgers, yeah, the Iowa football team has issues and the fan base is justified in being frustrated and to be asking some tough questions about the direction so far this year.
 
I tried to stay awake during first half last week. It was tough. Guys.seriously, if you cannot joke about it, it's too sad, depressing. I suggest we all laugh about it. Ha ha
 
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I don't need to see the rest of the season to play out to know that Iowa is having issues after watching the Hawks lose to an FCS team. I don't care how many wins that FCS team has, how many FCS championships, or in how high of a regard they are held, NDSU has 63 scholarships, 25 less than Iowa, and has a fraction of the football budget and resources of Iowa. No way Iowa should lose to an FCS program, no way.

Then to follow up that lackluster performance with a snoozer against a bottom half BIG team in Rutgers, yeah, the Iowa football team has issues and the fan base is justified in being frustrated and to be asking some tough questions about the direction so far this year.


Iowa now has 88 schollies? Who knew?

NDSU also plays all but one game on their schedule against similarly matched teams. Your nefarious rant has very little context. The Bison came to Iowa City and left with a victory. They deserve all the recognition and congratulations from that accomplishment. Time moves on and so should you. That does not mean you have to ignore or forget what happened, but continuing to dwell upon it achieves nothing.

The next mistake is assuming that this forum or any other for that matter is representative of all of Iowa football fandom. It is not and it is not even close. I anticipate a good crowd on hand to watch the game Saturday and can safely say that the majority of those there will be in complete support of the Hawks.
 
Yeah, meant to type Iowa has 85 scholarships. Got crossed up there. The point stands that Iowa vastly outnumbered NDSU in resources, knew their reputation as a team that beats FBS teams and still got beat up. Yes, got beat up on both sides of the LOS. Another September turd that Kirk laid.
 
Yeah, meant to type Iowa has 85 scholarships. Got crossed up there. The point stands that Iowa vastly outnumbered NDSU in resources, knew their reputation as a team that beats FBS teams and still got beat up. Yes, got beat up on both sides of the LOS. Another September turd that Kirk laid.


Look, NDSU failed to put up an offensive point during the first half of play. Am I missing something, or was that the same NDSU coaching staff directing the offense for the first thirty minutes?

I do not want to diminish the accomplishment of NDSU in any way. The game was played and they kicked the field goal with seconds on the clock to win by two points. Wish it did not happen that way, but it did. Nothing I can say/do now is going to alter that outcome. Just do not attempt to translate that one game into something it is not ala... giving absolutes about how well the NDSU staff would do facing a FBS nine game conference schedule. Until that happens, just pretend I am from Missouri because I am not convinced that it would turn out to be as endorsing as you want it to be.

There are eight regular season games remaining and with that we will better know and understand the character and makeup of this edition of Hawkeyes. I am not going to sit here and tell you all will be right/wonderful because I do not know what will ultimately be the outcome. Neither do you. That is why the games are played (even the ones versus NDSU or UNI).

Time to move ahead. Or, continue to dwell on the past... it is your choice.
 
In all honesty, had a couple of plays gone different against North Dakota State the Hawks would have came out with a victory. Yes they got beat on the stats, BUT they lost the stat games several times last year and still won the games on the scoreboard. You take the Pick 6 TD off the board, add the 75-yard touchdown that was called back and things look a lot more promising. And I think Iowa should reconsider going for it on 4th down all the time and take some field goals. Not every time, but kicking a field goal is not a sin, especially if you're struggling . Just because Iowa went 12 - 0 last year doesn't mean Iowa dominated the games. Quite the contrary. I have trouble not believing that the Hawks won't get their act together soon, and when they do they're going to be the team to beat in the West.
 
Huh, you left out the part about what it is that we SHOULD do, other than be miserable of course. Perhaps you should change your name to Still.Hot.Air.hawkeye.


I talk with Barta and various coaches at events, I also only renewed some of my season tickets several years back. It's just a game, no point in being miserable. Of course, if I enjoyed mediocrity I'd do nothing like you and I'd be miserable.
 
I talk with Barta and various coaches at events, I also only renewed some of my season tickets several years back. It's just a game, no point in being miserable. Of course, if I enjoyed mediocrity I'd do nothing like you and I'd be miserable.


You always know when you got 'em when they have to resort to the 'oh yeah, well I know so and so' or my favorite 'I make millions and live in a mansion.... (where did suburban or whatever he called himself disappear to now?) that they are out of any substance.
 
We are 3-1. looking forward to getting to 4-1. I don't settle for mediocrity, I don't have a choice. I don't play and I don't coach so my influence is quite limited. I am a fan and I pull for my team when they are 4-8 and I pull for them when they get to 12-0.
Me too. But now & then I bitch a little to relieve the pain. :D
 
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Straining to beat a bad Rutgers team that struggled to beat New Mexico and losing to a 1-AA team is NEVER ACCEPTABLE for a program with the resources, tradition, fan base, and conference affiliation of Iowa! The "aw shucks, it happens sometimes. . We're just Iowa" doesn't change that. Some humility is good, but an absence of any self-respect as a football program is no good. One of the reasons that, after all of these years of being almost a top-10 or top-15 program, we're still in "almost really good" category is this tolerance for ABYSMAL performance like we've seen in the last two weeks. Wisconsin made the leap - they won a number of Rose Bowls and went to a few more that they didn't win (and they were in way worse shape when Richter and Alvarez started over there than we were when Hayden arrived, right?). MSU made the leap - they finally won a Rose Bowl for themselves. Purdue failed to make the leap - they had their shot in Pasadena in 2001 and blew it (though with FAR fewer resources and advantages than we have). Illinois also failed to make the leap - they blew their shot in 2008, though also with somewhat fewer resources and historical advantages than Iowa.

For those of you who are troubled by people's use of pronouns here on this board, we're all part of the team as we ALL have our admittedly very small roles to play in the success of the program. Iowa, moreso that a Notre Dame or a USC or even Michigan is more reliant on smaller donors and a higher rate of engagement among alumni, the people of Iowa, and out-of-state fans otherwise loosely or unattached to the state (when their lucky) be successful. In a program that actually has aspirations of winning championships, just making occasional feel-good trips to championship games should NOT be the standard when we pay our coach $4.5 million TO RECRUIT THE PLAYERS who are supposed to annhialating these third-tier opponents. There should be no luck involved in playing those types of games. I understand that mild upsets happen and that you can't win every game, but first-rate programs don't lose to 1-AA schools EVER without MAJOR REPRECUSSSIONS. This idea that "we did reely gud verse Spartins in championships las year and we gave it a prity gud try and then we jus got a bad luk verse Stanfurd" is galactically stupid.

Coach Ferentz, by all accounts, is an outstanding human being and member of the University and Iowa City community. He has provided quality service at many times in the past to the University and the people of Iowa. At the same time, there have been MAJOR problems with the passing game and broader but related problems with recruiting for the better part of TEN YEARS now. The whole "aw shucks, we're just Iowa, we just work hard and hit you in the mouth" routine isn't gonna cut it on its own in the future. I'm not asking for tackiness - tacky approaches, tacky press conferences, tacky new uniforms every week, cheating, excessively obnoxious and rude tactics (OSU running through the OU warmups a few games, for example, was a total scumbag move). The world is changing, and so I'm just asking for Iowa football to evolve just a bit, even just schematically on the field. Is it possible that these skill players from urban and Sun Belt areas don't want to play for stodgy Grandpa Kirk and Great Uncle Greg who just don't seem to believe in fun, creativity, or change on the field? Now if the recruiting deficit comes down to our refusal to cheat (I get the sense that cheating seems to happen A LOT more then the media lets on in recruiting), then I can see where we just need to shut up and tolerate our 6-5/7-4 level seasons (our schedules will mostly suck without the top Big Ten East teams in the future, so 9 wins in this era can't be lauded as much as 9 wins before our conference became bloated with mediocrity).

We went 12-0 last year playing a POOR schedule against mediocre teams with mediocre talent. I told a friend at the end of the regular season that Iowa needed to prove that they were a first-rate team by BEATING another first-rate team. I was hopeful they were really "that" good but saw no evidence they were anything more than a fraud, a "paper tiger." They not only lost in Indianapolis, they responded so poorly to the opportunity to play in a Rose Bowl that the performance of this supposedly-experienced coaching staff was like a step back in time to 2002 or even Hayden's first Rose Bowl in 1982. HOW COULD YOU NOT HAVE THE PROPER CLEATS READY FOR THE PLAYERS!? Running the table in the Big Ten regular season avoiding the three best teams just doesn't mean what it did in, for example, 2002.

In this case, because of the resources that Iowa provides, recruiting the players, training and them in the off-season, putting the right ones on the field, and coaching them in the game so that they have the best chance to succeed (e.g., not calling three straight runs with 3:30 left up by less than a field goal) is the RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HEAD COACH.

I'm one to let the results speak for themselves. Having blown a lead to lose AT HOME to a DIRECTIONAL SCHOOL FROM NORTH DAKOTA in pathetic fashion, if this team doesn't win at least 9-10 games (at least 6-2 the rest of the way) in this regular season, there needs to be a serious discussion about who ought to be our head coach. And if they can't win 8, barring serious injuries occurring on both sides of the ball and depending on the circumstances of the games, a buyout of this obtuse contract that Kirk just signed may be in order. At the very least, the pressure on Kirk's job had better get ratcheted up to the max for next year if they don't win most of these remaining games (many of them convincingly).

Change in life is sometimes necessary and I've heard that this is sort of the way that the Hayden era ended - the program just kind of withered away until Kirk resuscitated it. Is there such thing as a "mercy firing"?
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I talk with Barta and various coaches at events, I also only renewed some of my season tickets several years back. It's just a game, no point in being miserable. Of course, if I enjoyed mediocrity I'd do nothing like you and I'd be miserable.

If you were anything like me you would deliriously happy all the time! ;)
 
It isn't about accepting mediocrity.

It's about acknowledging that chances are, the current ID is more capable of hiring a coach that drives the program back into the ground like it was in those infernal olden days, than make a great hire to take Iowa to such a lofty perch that has NEVER been done in their entire history.

The next head coach at Iowa, I will bet my retirement money on it - will have not won a goddam thing in his entire career that even remotely compares to what Ferentz has achieved at Iowa.

Jebus...do you even look at the surrounding college football world? If programs like LSU, USC, Texas, Florida, Auburn, Nebraska, Penn State Notre Dame...I could go on and on - if THEY cannot sustain success, what in the wide wide world of sports makes you think that merely by firing Kirk Ferentz, Iowa would achieve what the program has NEVER achieved before?

If you look at his Iowa resume, anybody with one ounce of objectivity can see that he has kept Iowa at a spot that is as good as any coach they've ever had in their history.

The Fire Ferentz crowd accepts as truth that Iowa can merely fire him and get just about ANYBODY and get better overall output, while not realizing that because of Ferentz, Iowa has sustained more long term success than any coach in the school's history. They see "brite shiny object". Only Brite Shiny Object pretty much hasn't also cracked into the vaunted lofty status that these morons seem to think is so goddam easy to achieve here.

It's harder to do here. Harder than it is at...oh...at the very least 30-35 programs nationally, but in reality it's probably more like 50. Always has been, always will be. And when you compare us to actual even comparisons and most of our neighbors...Iowa stands above them all, provided by none other than Kirk Ferentz.

The last 15 or so years, name another program better than Iowa in what I would term the upper midwest. Wisconsin, I'll give you. The gap there ain't so far apart as some might think.

Minnesota? Illinois? Nebraska? Northwestern? Indiana? Purdue? Notre Dame? Missouri? K-State? Kansas?

Those that cannot recognize and accept these things...it's a YOU problem, not a WE problem. Our ceiling as a program will ALWAYS be a lot harder to achieve than probably 30 to 50 different programs out there today. Our floor as a program is easily one bad hire away.

Iowa is one bad hire away from becoming Iowa State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, etc...why do I know this? Because it has happened multiple times in our history, that's why.

And a lot of us Iowa fans LEARN from that history. My advice to you is to toughen the hell up. There's 8 games yet to play, most likely 9. Maybe 10. Enjoy it, because it can go away with one back f'n hire.
Do not become good friends with mediocrity
 
Dude, it's just a game. Sounds to me like you need to take a break for a while.

That's the difference between Nebraska and Iowa over the years. NU fans expect excellence and have 5 national titles to back that up.......Iowa? Well, yea, "it's just a game". If the fans don't demand teams that compete for national championships, the program will be mediocre.......the Hawks have proven that (other than the 2k9/10 season).........I as an Iowa fan demand that........It is pretty telling that Iowa bought rings for a team that got so thoroughly dominated in the Rose Bowl last year that it really does put the whole season in question........Sorry but until the Iowa fans ramp it up, nothing will change. Again, that's what this board is for........to give your thoughts........It's ok to be a passionate fan and to want excellence.
 
You always know when you got 'em when they have to resort to the 'oh yeah, well I know so and so' or my favorite 'I make millions and live in a mansion.... (where did suburban or whatever he called himself disappear to now?) that they are out of any substance.


So you'd rather flap your gums on this board to people that don't know you rather than interface with the staff if you have concerns? That takes balls! Oh, you don't have to "make millions and live in a mansion" to meet them. There are many IClub events and other alumni events. Do you think Ferentz' adjustments between 2014 and 2015 were coincidence? The fan bitching he heard didn't come from these pages, some if was directed straight at him. I doubt he knows this site's URL.
 
So you'd rather flap your gums on this board to people that don't know you rather than interface with the staff if you have concerns? That takes balls! Oh, you don't have to "make millions and live in a mansion" to meet them. There are many IClub events and other alumni events. Do you think Ferentz' adjustments between 2014 and 2015 were coincidence? The fan bitching he heard didn't come from these pages, some if was directed straight at him. I doubt he knows this site's URL.


Read what you just posted because, as impossible as it might seem, you just contradicted yourself in a matter of what... four or five sentences.

If YOU truly think that you are that influential then why are you wasting your precious time here with us peons? Pick up your phone and direct dial Gary and or Kirk and tell them how really perturber YOU are. NO doubt, each of them will immediately recognize YOU by your voice and will do anything and everything to please YOU.

Like was stated previously, most people that have made handsome livings do not have to boast about it on an anonymous message boards. Same applies to those that have met/visited withvarious staff/players/others close to the program. Good to know that we now know someone with direct access though - just in case we ever neeed YOU.
 
That's the difference between Nebraska and Iowa over the years. NU fans expect excellence and have 5 national titles to back that up.......Iowa? Well, yea, "it's just a game". If the fans don't demand teams that compete for national championships, the program will be mediocre.......the Hawks have proven that (other than the 2k9/10 season).........I as an Iowa fan demand that........It is pretty telling that Iowa bought rings for a team that got so thoroughly dominated in the Rose Bowl last year that it really does put the whole season in question........Sorry but until the Iowa fans ramp it up, nothing will change. Again, that's what this board is for........to give your thoughts........It's ok to be a passionate fan and to want excellence.

You think Nebraska fans demanding excellence is how they won 5 national championships? Did Nebraska fans stop demanding excellence about 20 years ago?
 
Read what you just posted because, as impossible as it might seem, you just contradicted yourself in a matter of what... four or five sentences.

If YOU truly think that you are that influential then why are you wasting your precious time here with us peons? Pick up your phone and direct dial Gary and or Kirk and tell them how really perturber YOU are. NO doubt, each of them will immediately recognize YOU by your voice and will do anything and everything to please YOU.

Like was stated previously, most people that have made handsome livings do not have to boast about it on an anonymous message boards. Same applies to those that have met/visited withvarious staff/players/others close to the program. Good to know that we now know someone with direct access though - just in case we ever neeed YOU.


Never said I personally new them you dink. Never said I made a handsome living. My access is the same as everyone else's, never claimed differently. Do you routinely have auditory hallucinations or do you just like to put words in other peoples mouths to make yourself feel like less of a loser?
 
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