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Sour grapes thread

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1. Kittle's turnover in the endzone was a helmet to helmet....except they didn't call it. Unacceptable.
2. We have replay technology in place but have rules that won't allow us to utilize it to get certain calls right (I.e. Cuz the ref didn't call it...see #1)
3. Iowa can't lose to MSU in a game of inches but OU can lose embarrassingly to Texas and be ranked over a one loss Iowa and even an undefeated Iowa?
 
My sour grapes are...
1) PI on play before Iowa's first FG. DB was holding Smith's left arm. Four more points on the board early on would have been huge.
2) Calling 15-yard PF roughing instead of 5-yard running into the punter. Shaped the entire 3rd quarter.
3) Chop block against Fisher on the 4th and 2 play. Would have set up 4th and 15 for the ballgame. Iowa would have needed a first down to run out the clock, but MSU would have still needed to drive at least half the field with little time.
4) Hold against Jewell on the touchdown. He would have almost certain made the play at the 2 or 3 yard line. MSU would have had two shots from the 11.
 
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mthawkeyes, #2 was the game changer. And then probably some calls on the goal line stand attempt.
 
Definitely wasn't roughing I didn't think. I think it was a 4th and 5 though, correct? Would that still have given them a 1st down if it was just running into??
 
Definitely wasn't roughing I didn't think. I think it was a 4th and 5 though, correct? Would that still have given them a 1st down if it was just running into??
Edit to say it was 4th and just more than 5. Would have been 4th and inches. They probably still punt at that point in the game.
 
Dang, absolute dagger. Would have got the D off the field and saved us 3 points off the board. Huge play. We beat MSU 6 out of 10 games I think. No doubt Iowa is a top 4 team in the nation, IMO.

And I also believe (if it went Clemson 1, Bama 2, Oklahoma 3, Iowa 4) then we could have beat Clemson and I think we would have played Bama in the NC. Devastating how close we were but so proud of the team!
 
Dang, absolute dagger. Would have got the D off the field and saved us 3 points off the board. Huge play. We beat MSU 6 out of 10 games I think. No doubt Iowa is a top 4 team in the nation, IMO.

And I also believe (if it went Clemson 1, Bama 2, Oklahoma 3, Iowa 4) then we could have beat Clemson and I think we would have played Bama in the NC. Devastating how close we were but so proud of the team!

Saved 3 points? MSU ended up punting on that drive, so the only thing that changed was field position
 
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It was a terrible decision to go after that punt. Just started the 3rd quarter and got a 3-and-out and will get the ball with good field position and you decide to go after the punt? I usually don't complain about officiating but the 4th and 2 chop block on Fisher was so obvious. That was the ballgame right there. And then the hold on Jewell on the TD was obvious as well. #75 grabbed him and tackled him for God's sake. And it was right in front of the ball carrier. How could officials not see or call that one?
 
Through all the sour grapes, it comes down to Greg Davis and the play calling. Wouldn't say we played scared, but it was far too conservative in quarters 1-3. Tried to establish the run early, didn't really work. Needed to throw down the field earlier in the game to open it up a bit instead of the 2-5 yard routes. It was a flashback of last year's offense. To think what it could be if we could have another shot at them.
 
Through all the sour grapes, it comes down to Greg Davis and the play calling. Wouldn't say we played scared, but it was far too conservative in quarters 1-3. Tried to establish the run early, didn't really work. Needed to throw down the field earlier in the game to open it up a bit instead of the 2-5 yard routes. It was a flashback of last year's offense. To think what it could be if we could have another shot at them.

Can't take shots if you can't pass protect. There were some deeper passes called... Calhoun and co. Didn't let those plays develope
 
Call it whatever you want sour grapes or whatever but Iowa had that game taken away. The chop block and the hold at the end were obvious on the open penalties that simply can't be missed in a game of that magnitude. The whole drive had plays that should've been called. I counted 6 out of 22 with blatant holds that were not called. ANY one of them derails that drive and the outcome of the game is likely very different. This whole thing is soured now because of that. I don't feel like we lost. I feel like it was taken from us.
 
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There were probably bad calls going against Sparty too. They even out throughout the game unless it's the 2006 outback bowl, or 13 BTT vs sparty.(still salty about both)
 
On Michigan State's game winning play, the fullback had a false start. There was a Vine clearly showing he moved early.
Had this and was shared many times on Facebook. Somebody took it down. It was a false start on 66 on the TD. Nottt that they wouldn't have made it. But another 5 yards would have helped.
 
Through all the sour grapes, it comes down to Greg Davis and the play calling. Wouldn't say we played scared, but it was far too conservative in quarters 1-3. Tried to establish the run early, didn't really work. Needed to throw down the field earlier in the game to open it up a bit instead of the 2-5 yard routes. It was a flashback of last year's offense. To think what it could be if we could have another shot at them.
Totally disagree with your complaints about the play calling. The early fumble and the fluke interception were killers, and yes the MSU fullback had a false start on their winning TD that the officials missed.
Through all the sour grapes, it comes down to Greg Davis and the play calling. Wouldn't say we played scared, but it was far too conservative in quarters 1-3. Tried to establish the run early, didn't really work. Needed to throw down the field earlier in the game to open it up a bit instead of the 2-5 yard routes. It was a flashback of last year's offense. To think what it could be if we could have another shot at them.
 
Sorry guys...line of scrimmage was dominated by Sparty. Iowa ran for 52 yds. Take away the bomb, and Hawks
had zero yardage in the second half. Great game, special season.
 
Sorry guys...line of scrimmage was dominated by Sparty. Iowa ran for 52 yds. Take away the bomb, and Hawks
had zero yardage in the second half. Great game, special season.
But you can't take away the bomb. The bomb happened because MSU was committing to the LOS. They were committed to the extent that that Smith was one-on-one on 2nd and 20.
 
But you can't take away the bomb. The bomb happened because MSU was committing to the LOS. They were committed to the extent that that Smith was one-on-one on 2nd and 20.
Sparty front four dominated the LOS. Not discounting the bomb...but you have to be honest with yourself.
MSU lines controlled the second half completely...a 22 play drive to end it soeaks volumes...Hoping the Hawks get the Rose.
 
Sorry guys...line of scrimmage was dominated by Sparty. Iowa ran for 52 yds. Take away the bomb, and Hawks
had zero yardage in the second half. Great game, special season.
Take Away the 4th down conversion due to a chop block on Fisher and the touchdown due to a blatant hold on an offensive lineman literally tackling him from behind, and Michigan State isn't winning that game. Iowa wins 13-9 and is playing Clemson in the cotton bowl. That game and the opportunity to compete and win was taken from the Hawks by officials choosing to swallow they whistles instead of calling the game until the final gun.
 
Call it whatever you want sour grapes or whatever but Iowa had that game taken away. The chop block and the hold at the end were obvious on the open penalties that simply can't be missed in a game of that magnitude. The whole drive had plays that should've been called. I counted 6 out of 22 with blatant holds that were not called. ANY one of them derails that drive and the outcome of the game is likely very different. This whole thing is soured now because of that. I don't feel like we lost. I feel like it was taken from us.
And, YET AGAIN, Iowaaah has NEVER lost a game. It's ALWAYS because the refs screw them out of the win.
 
Sparty front four dominated the LOS. Not discounting the bomb...but you have to be honest with yourself.
MSU lines controlled the second half completely...a 22 play drive to end it soeaks volumes...Hoping the Hawks get the Rose.
I disagree. They didn't string 22 clean plays in a row together. It was bullshit. Our defense played phenomenally all night and When it was crunch time, the ability to play the game and compete was taken by Michigan State players playing illegally and officials swallowing their whistles.
 
Rewarching their scoring play is maddening!

First, their FB flinched. Causing our LBs to take a step in wrong direction. It was subtle, so understand refs missing it.

Second, Jewell (43) was in position to tackle RB at 3, but was blatantly TACKLED. I do not understand how this blatant tackle at that location, not in the scrum, was missed. Horrible.

Third, Fisher stops him at 1, but 3 Iowa defenders miss cleaning it up with a direct hit. 2 struck glancing blows and Spears (49), who had the best and 3rd shot, could have stripped the ball or at a minimum knocked him back, whiffed!

 
Congrats to Iowa for a great game. That team certainly earned a lot of respect last night.

I've enjoyed reading some Iowa fan perspective. I finally couldn't take it anymore ready this particular thread. I get the title and concept but come on people. There is 20 posts here complaining about the refs and every nitpicking call. Do you not think MSU could go back and find the same amount of plays they disagreed with ref calls? Your O-Line held all night against a D-Line that they and everyone else couldn't block. Your D-backs were the best I've seen this year BUT every replay showed a lot of physical contact while the ball was in the air. I could ask for PI on almost every play last night.

This was an incredible physical battle that was fairly officiated (i.e. there was surely missed calls both ways but the refs did not determine the outcome) The players decided the game. It is too bad anyone had to lose but thats what makes a great game great.

Best of luck in the Rose Bowl. Your team deserves to be there and Im really happy OSU didn't jump you guys.
 
I don't disagree about the plays that you pointed out, but am willing to bet there would be just as many that weren't called against us if broke down the film closely. Bottom line, we needed a few first downs in 2nd half to alter field position and give the D a blow.
 
As much as you want that holding call, you're never going to get that call. Fisher had a chance to finish him, but used bad form and ended up trying to pull him away instead of push away. Spears lowered his head instead of keeping it up and hitting the carrier, completely miffing.

Strength of Iowa this year on D was lb and dbs. A game like this is when we really could have used Ott. By the fourth quarter the D line was gassed and our undersized de's struggled against a physical line.

Hawks played a great game, but the game was lost with the lack of points on the end zone int and the lack of any offense in the third quarter. MSU figured out the weren't going to win with Cooks arm, and figured they could run it down the middle...and did
 
They did but not legally. And yes you should get Thst holding call EVERY time. That was blatant. If they were marginal I wouldn't say a thing. They weren't marginal.
 
1. That was not a false start on the MSU FB/linemen. The guy never has to get set, he just can't be moving forward. He leans, but technically is not moving forward so no call. There was no hold on Jewell, if they call that a hold, then every play in football will need to be penalized.

2. The play on Smith was not PI, he made a great play. Yes he had his hands on him, but he didn't impede smith from catching the ball. He caught the one bomb, the other deep throw we had to him, he could of caught it, instead he threw one hand up and tried putting the other one out? Seemed odd, he could of tried catching it and didn't?

3. Special Teams- Punting did not do us any favors. We had some bad punts tonight and it costed us field position. Need to be able to punt the ball farther than 25-30yds indoors.

4. Playcalling- Yeah we seemed tentative early on, but we just got out manned at the LOS. They were physical and I liked the fact we started to throw some screens and sweeps to get to the edge. Just wish we could of converted in the 4th quarter.
 
I didn't read any of the replys to this thread...TLDR...Iowa got a great Bowl...the Rose Bowl ! a high profile Bowl ! I know you wanted more...Iowa did what it had to do to win last night, so did MSU...
 
I'll only add my 2 cents because of the title of the thread and this has not been mentioned. The hold call on Vande MAY have cost us a TD as his double move clearly left the MSU DB flatfooted and CJ put the ball on the money. Back to back long TD throws may have broken their back but instead its just a 10 yard penalty instead of a TD.
 
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The refs did not cost us the game. Three critical self inflicted issues really made the difference in the game.

Interception that should have been a TD
Going for a block punt after a 3 and out
Early fumble giving an early 3

We were also fortunate the sack/fumble did not cost us points. Their D line was the story of the game for me. Our guys battled like hell. Great game to be at
 
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It was a terrible decision to go after that punt. Just started the 3rd quarter and got a 3-and-out and will get the ball with good field position and you decide to go after the punt? I usually don't complain about officiating but the 4th and 2 chop block on Fisher was so obvious. That was the ballgame right there. And then the hold on Jewell on the TD was obvious as well. #75 grabbed him and tackled him for God's sake. And it was right in front of the ball carrier. How could officials not see or call that one?
I'm actually going to take the time to do this, but referees had a penchant for swallowing their whistles when it came to opponent's O-lines holding our defensive rushers. We probably had to have the least amount of holding penalties called against teams we faced of any team in the Big Ten (like I said, I'm going to actually check this out).

And there's a reason I'm so adamant about this. I understand there's the phony notion that refs could "call holding on every play if they wanted"...but I'm talking about refs missing pretty blatant holds time and time again, and by blatant I mean one on one blocks in open space (think of OT vs DE away from the interior pile of bodies), where officials should be able to see that and not just watch the play (which happens way too much IMHO, or if we're talking about the NFL, they're watching the play way too much to anticipate a flag, as evident by the rash of horrible calls in recent weeks, including some game-deciding calls). Those kind of calls are still being missed with enough frequency to certainly make you scratch your head and wonder what exactly constitutes holding, if not that, and how much (especially in games like yesterday) are the refs gonna let go because of some misguided notion requiring them to "let the players play".

And there's nothing wrong with that, but there's a reason we have rules, and looking the other way on certain plays when violations actually do in fact occur devalues the purpose for having such rules in the first place, and in fact encourages teams to push the limit of what officials are willing to let go in certain situations, more and more. It's basically the Michigan State/Louisville basketball approach, although in the case of the hold/chop block at the end of the game, it would be more akin to officials swallowing their whistles on the final shot of a bball game where the shooter gets hammered and nothing is called, because after all................gotta f***ing let the players make plays at the end of the game.

That's my sour grapes.


That and Josey Jewell had the angle to stuff the 4th and 2 play and missed it......unfortunately.
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