I could probably ask Coleman Scott's dad about the rumors. I see him at the gym quite frequently and we talk about wrestling quite a bit. I asked him if he was going to NYC and he said no because he doesn't do well in big cities. Wears boots and a cowboy hat everywhere he goes. He's very pleasant to talk to.
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I could probably ask Coleman Scott's dad about the rumors. I see him at the gym quite frequently and we talk about wrestling quite a bit. I asked him if he was going to NYC and he said no because he doesn't do well in big cities. Wears boots and a cowboy hat everywhere he goes. He's very pleasant to talk to.
I felt we had no chance at landing Spencer about the same time you started proclaiming he was a lock to Iowa.
In Sanderson's defense, I don't do this often, it's kind of hard to have a team full of p4p #1's considering there is only 1 per year. It would take 10 years to get 10 and I am pretty sure you only have 5 years of eligibility with the rare chance at 6 with some form of medical hardship or Olympic redshirt. The only other option would be military or a church mission.
Now I wouldn't be surprised if they find some way for him to do so, but for now, they are stuck at having 4 or 5 p4p #1's!!
You're hilarious.
Without parity, this sport is screwed.
I don't mind Iowa not landing every whale out there, but for one school to hord all that talent isn't ok.
I'm liking the rise of Rutgers, Nebby, V Tech, NC St, and AZ St.
You cant even get 4 #1 P4P'ers on a team if you wanted because Mark Hall held the #1 spot for over few years. Now if were are talking about SR class #1 overall you could have 5 maybe even 6 on a team if they played the OTC card correctly or a Mormon mission type thing like Tanner Hall, but don't believe he was #1.
Really the P4P PSU chart is way impressive because you gotta figure guys like Spencer Lee and Mark Hall or Valencia, Myles Marin, Bo Nickal held put in the top 5 or top 10 for at least 2-3 years. Its not like you get 10 new guys a year.
Obviously I was doing it for comedy relief. We didn't even cover the possibility of the #1 p4p guys being at the same weight class or at a weight that Sanderson already had a young key starter at.
But, all joking aside, If you keep getting top 10, especially top 5 p4p guys, you are at a starting point no one else can touch. Over the past 10 years or so, the p4p guys are more college ready than every before. They have been to the major tournament, clinics, clubs and usually wrestled at the best prep schools. The ranking systems are much more accurate because of this as well. Social media and internet access allows the rankers to so much data to get a true assessment of these kids abilities. They should know, for the most part, if they have the makeup to pursue and succeed at the highest level of DI.
Each year Sanderson can look at his needs, look at rankings, look at video and then decide who he wants to go after. That doesn't even include all the wrestlers in his own backyard. The actual recruiting is an art that he is a master at, but identifying the talent isn't near as hard as it used to be. He is the best salesman in the game and has proven to be one of the best on the mat coaches as well.
Ryan and Smith are probably the 2 closest recruiting coaches, along with Zeke showing potential at ASU. As much as I am a huge fan of Brands, I think it is time to drop the old Gable methodology of recruiting the guy that best fits our program, and to start recruiting the best talented guy and coaching him to be the best at what HE is good at!
But, all joking aside, If you keep getting top 10, especially top 5 p4p guys, you are at a starting point no one else can touch. Over the past 10 years or so, the p4p guys are more college ready than every before. They have been to the major tournament, clinics, clubs and usually wrestled at the best prep schools. The ranking systems are much more accurate because of this as well. Social media and internet access allows the rankers to so much data to get a true assessment of these kids abilities. They should know, for the most part, if they have the makeup to pursue and succeed at the highest level of DI.
Each year Sanderson can look at his needs, look at rankings, look at video and then decide who he wants to go after. That doesn't even include all the wrestlers in his own backyard. The actual recruiting is an art that he is a master at, but identifying the talent isn't near as hard as it used to be. He is the best salesman in the game and has proven to be one of the best on the mat coaches as well.
Ryan and Smith are probably the 2 closest recruiting coaches, along with Zeke showing potential at ASU. As much as I am a huge fan of Brands, I think it is time to drop the old Gable methodology of recruiting the guy that best fits our program, and to start recruiting the best talented guy and coaching him to be the best at what HE is good at!
Article from the guy that did the interview with Spencer Lee, his thoughts from this past weekend.
http://true-wrestling.com/2016/03/takeaways-for-the-ncaas-championships-2016/
http://true-wrestling.com/2016/03/takeaways-for-the-ncaas-championships-2016/
I agree with most what you're saying here. But Cael isn't a master of scouting talent. He's a master of using his name and connecting with these kids. Cael scouts talent by bellying up next to local news writers and coachs at tournaments and looking on rankings. That's it. He's far from a genius when it comes to this.
Here is Caels keys to success. it's real simple.
Recruit at least one top ten pfp guy every year. Get said kid.
Set the lineup. Done.
So now you want parity?? When Iowa was winning all their championships, did you want parity?? Did Iowa screw the sport??
Or is it only when Penn State is winning that you want parity??
The number of college ready studs straight from High School is unprecedented. I want recruiting parity. Iowa was dominating in the 80s and 90s cause development was still a huge part of the game. They didn't have these Clubs, countless national tournys, and countless camps.
The game has changed, so your argument doesn't apply here.
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Spot on MSU! If you look at guys who make it to the finals as RS fr or soph, they usually come from the "top 10" not the 7th decile. To be reloading with those kinds of guys give a team a lot of firepower.
So those articles that have kids mention that Cael remembered them by name from junior meets from years ago is all a lie? OK, got it.
It's more like "shielding his son" who probably already knows where he wants to wrestle. "IOWA"
I read it as taking a burden off of his head. Have someone else take the daily phone calls etc etc.
Cael's Mom still needs a little work on her journalistic chops I guess.........
Maybe next Greco Gilligan can post an article that enlightens us on what Al Sharpton thinks about Whitey........
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but didn't Coleman Scott wrestle in Times Square for the Olympic Trials a few years ago? I thought I remember a ton of family members running around with "Team Coleman" t-shirts, but I could be mistaken. None of them seemed to mind running around in the middle of NYC.
I think a kid should handle where he goes to college.
In my mind the "Crazy Wrestling Helicopter Dad!" alert is going off.
I could be wrong but I seriously doubt you had every college in the country knocking on your door to recruit you. You have a highschool Junior that's trying to keep his studies in line, compete not only at the highschool level, not only the national level but also competing internationally... he's being harassed by recruiters, fans, the media nonstop and probably also tries to have some sort of life outside of wrestling that other normal highschool kids enjoy. Trust me, I'd consider it bad parenting if his dad didn't help him keep things in order. I'm sure it's his own choice where he will go to college but there isn't anything wrong with a father trying to help his son keep priorities in check and fend off the circus that is all around him.
Hey now! Just to let you know, I got letters from what seemed like every D3 wrestling programs vying for my wrestling services. Don't disrespect my talent, (I was in 3A so you know I was good.) I made the right decision to go D1 drinking at Iowa though.
If Spencer Lee isn't running point on his own college decision, I think that's a definite problem. You guys interpreted that interview differently than I did, which was daddy is calling the shots.
LOL wait till JR gets tired of Stroker old man and Cael gets tired of Halls old man some of u might just have a different look.
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Wow, you call what I said a hissy fit? Iowans are a super sensitive people.
Spencer's not super sensitive, so that will work against Iowa.
In that article who in the hell is Jim Zaleski ? Never heard of this guy ..
Also Iowa State never let Sanderson leave he left them after he got Bobby D. fired so he could have the job there. How long has this dude been around wrestling?
Also Iowa State never let Sanderson leave he left them after he got Bobby D. fired so he could have the job there. How long has this dude been around wrestling?
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As for Spencer's Dad running point, it lets Spencer focus on what's important...scoring points and school. Every college coach has to give it a try or else they won't respect themselves in the morning. Imagine you're 17 and have to tell all of these adult coaches, some who have credentials that Spence respects and admires...No. Let his Dad be the bad guy...I'm sure that Spencer will (or has) make the decision himself but sounds like he just wants to win another World championship for now. After hearing that interview, do you think Tom Brands approach for Gilman (giving him space, not being pushy) would be appreciated and respected by Spencer and his Dad? I think Spence already knows that TnT would give M*'s left nut to get him at Iowa. Also, don't forget that Spencer's Dad was a world level coach in another sport.
BTW, I am very critical of the helicopter parenting that is going on these days. Don't think Mr. Lee is one of those. Why? Sounds like Spence went to Brazil w/o his parents.
EDIT: BTW...read an older article on Lee. “After he lost to Nick in 2012, he tossed his silver medal in the trash,” said Larry Lee, Spencer's father. “I fished it out, and then one day my wife (Cathy) called me to tell me that Spencer took the medal out of the drawer and hung it out the back of the door."
Sounds like a kid that knows how to have "fun."
BTW, I am very critical of the helicopter parenting that is going on these days. Don't think Mr. Lee is one of those. Why? Sounds like Spence went to Brazil w/o his parents.
EDIT: BTW...read an older article on Lee. “After he lost to Nick in 2012, he tossed his silver medal in the trash,” said Larry Lee, Spencer's father. “I fished it out, and then one day my wife (Cathy) called me to tell me that Spencer took the medal out of the drawer and hung it out the back of the door."
Sounds like a kid that knows how to have "fun."
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I know you guys think these kids read these boards, but I'm the only one who thinks he sounds a tad like a prima donna??
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Agree. A short write up praising PSU, tOSU, Okla St and VT. Then a lengthy rag on Iowa. Noticed the author was from PA.... let me guess... a PSU fan?
What a steaming pile.
^^^^Gopher Fan...just thought I'd get that out of the way
Spence sounds confident in his interviews...has in most every interview I've seen. Also holds himself accountable too. When he does something dumb, he calls it out. But I'll say this...he has been asked the same questions in different forms from a crapload of interviewers who just really want to ask him one question..."Which college you choosing?"
