Spencer Lee loses...

[StParis]

The ref decided to make the match about him. An angry Lee fits the Iowa way.
How it sounds Spencer's ACL is blown out. He will RS next year, get repaired and will end his Hawkeye career as a new addition to Iowa's list of top 10 ever.

 

[gonegolfing]

So to clear things up, Iowa's best recruit in recent history already tore an ACL in high school? Time to drop wrestling. Iowa is cursed right now.

 

[Grip220]

Wait an injured wrestler no never !!! Its unfortunate and bad timing for an major injury to happen for Spencer but most of us have been there look at what CC is trying to overrcome.. Some very high quality wrestlers have had there careers stopped completely some of us never came even close to our goals(myself being one) this is just a new beggining for Mr Lee. Im more excited right now than ever to be a Hawk fan looking forward to a really good showing next week and super amped up about these guys coming in ...

 

[CumberlandHawk]

My god. This is so embarrassing.

Why is that embarrassing?

 

[lookleft goright]

The fact that your recruit (with a recently torn ACL) went out and wrestled the number 4 kid in the country to a virtual tie and wrestled like a warrior giving everything he had, is pretty amazing. It is obvious that this Lee kid is fueled with an incredible passion for wrestling and If I were a Hawk fan, I would have no concerns about this kid.

WHAT A STUD!!

In all honesty, as a neutral fan, I can't wait to see what he does in college. If you guys like Gilman, I think you are going to have to multiply that by 10 with Lee. He is just amazing!

 

[Abro1975]

Full match :
https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/17958

That's quite the big knee brace Lee is wearing. But congrats to the winner, he dropped down to avenge his loss last year, and pulled it off.
2 great wrestlers.

 

[Huck]

Thanks for the full match link.
Appears time was out though, you can see the clock at zero as Lee starts to try and Granby out of the takedown attempt. The replay with the clock in the background starts at about the 12:05 mark.

That being said, congrats to DeSanto. Great match and I have to admire a kid that is chasing a dream of taking down someone like Lee.

Lee's a warrior though and I'm sure glad he's going to be a Hawkeye!!

 

[Stanley75]

Hey I'm bummed out to the max, can't imagine how Spencer feels. Stinking injuries anyway. Hate when that happens. All we can do is offer our support to help Spencer through these tough times.

 

[jvclark]

You are wrong. If you were there you would know. I was and it was the crowd rooting for an underdog to a local kid and the crowd cheered plenty when Lee took the stand.

When a kid, a historically good kid takes the stand, especially after taking a historic loss(at least to him and his family, if not to the whole state), the ENTIRE crowd should be cheering out of respect, not to mention to thank him for what he has done through all his hard work.

It happens here in Iowa and as PA is a good wrestling state,I would like to think it happens there too.

 

[CumberlandHawk]

The fact that your recruit (with a recently torn ACL) went out and wrestled the number 4 kid in the country to a virtual tie and wrestled like a warrior giving everything he had, is pretty amazing. It is obvious that this Lee kid is fueled with an incredible passion for wrestling and If I were a Hawk fan, I would have no concerns about this kid.

WHAT A STUD!!

In all honesty, as a neutral fan, I can't wait to see what he does in college. If you guys like Gilman, I think you are going to have to multiply that by 10 with Lee. He is just amazing!

Great post! How good is Lee to do what he did with basically one leg.

 

[21Guns]

I think Spencer takes a redshirt year next year. And I am NOT wanting that, as I want him to wrestle his first year out of the gate. I do NOT like redshirting elite kids, but an operation in April, too soon to come back in November, coming off an ACL, and a Labrum from the year before. Get him healthy with a redshirt year and start him in 2018 with Teasdale coming in at 133 the same year and make a run for the championship.

 

[24 so far]

I think Spencer takes a redshirt year next year. And I am NOT wanting that, as I want him to wrestle his first year out of the gate. I do NOT like redshirting elite kids, but an operation in April, too soon to come back in November, coming off an ACL, and a Labrum from the year before. Get him healthy with a redshirt year and start him in 2018 with Teasdale coming in at 133 the same year and make a run for the championship.

Tom will call if he needs your help.

 

[Gobblin]

I think Spencer takes a redshirt year next year. And I am NOT wanting that, as I want him to wrestle his first year out of the gate. I do NOT like redshirting elite kids, but an operation in April, too soon to come back in November, coming off an ACL, and a Labrum from the year before. Get him healthy with a redshirt year and start him in 2018 with Teasdale coming in at 133 the same year and make a run for the championship.

If you were the so called "expert" or "insider" you claim to be you'd know that a red shirt has been the plan for Spencer since the day he verballed.

 

[Pennstate1985]

If you were the so called "expert" or "insider" you claim to be you'd know that a red shirt has been the plan for Spencer since the day he verballed.

Hush now, he's on a roll. Maybe he can teach us something we don't already know like the ins and outs of acl surgery from the surgeon's point of view.

 

[Pennstate1985]

I will never understand why middle aged men troll other middle aged men over the exploits of boys. Talk about creepy.

 

[T8KUDWN]

How did the ref not award Spencer a point in the first period when Disanto fleed the mat to avoid being taken down?

 

[Abro1975]

How did the ref not award Spencer a point in the first period when Disanto fleed the mat to avoid being taken down?

High School rules in regards to scoring outside the circle are very, very different than College. Pretty much BOTH wrestlers have to be INSIDE the circle. In college, the scoring wrestler only needs a toe in.

 

[jerot]

I think Spencer takes a redshirt year next year. And I am NOT wanting that, as I want him to wrestle his first year out of the gate. I do NOT like redshirting elite kids, but an operation in April, too soon to come back in November, coming off an ACL, and a Labrum from the year before. Get him healthy with a redshirt year and start him in 2018 with Teasdale coming in at 133 the same year and make a run for the championship.

Mr. Gibberish!

 

[T8KUDWN]

High School rules in regards to scoring outside the circle are very, very different than College. Pretty much BOTH wrestlers have to be INSIDE the circle. In college, the scoring wrestler only needs a toe in.

I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. In the first period they have fingers clasped & Spencer hits a wrap single with his free arm. Disanto puts in a whizzer, pulls & slides 3 or 4 times until he is out of bounds to avoid being scored on. That is a 1 point penalty.

 

[Abro1975]

I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. In the first period they have fingers clasped & Spencer hits a wrap single with his free arm. Disanto puts in a whizzer, pulls & slides 3 or 4 times until he is out of bounds to avoid being scored on. That is a 1 point penalty.

Maybe we aren't. Take another look and let us know at what minute/second of the 1st period you think he scored. I'm no expert but I'd like to see what your are talking about.:

Full match :
https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/17958

Edit- I think you are referring to a missed 'fleeing the mat' call around the :54 second mark of the first. DeSanto was trying to pull his ankle from Lee, and seemed to be heading in the direction of the circle perimeter when Lee first gets hold of the ankle. That would be a very difficult call for the ref to make (intentionally fleeing). But I do see your point.

 

[T8KUDWN]

Maybe we aren't. Take another look and let us know at what minute/second of the 1st period you think he scored. I'm no expert but I'd like to see what your are talking about.:

Full match :
https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/17958

It's around the 1:50 mark in the video. I was wrong on the whizzer part, Disanto just lunges away until he gets out of bounds. Lee does not score, but that is text book fleeing the mat & Spencer should have been awarded a point for it.

 

[smalls103]

Obvious flee call. Egregious. If that's not a flee, nothing is.

The officiating in that match was poor. On both sides. Some things went against DeSanto, some against Spencer. But the flee chapped my ass the most tbh.

 

[championhawk]

High School rules in regards to scoring outside the circle are very, very different than College. Pretty much BOTH wrestlers have to be INSIDE the circle. In college, the scoring wrestler only needs a toe in.

Can you explain how it was a takedown with 20 or 30 seconds left and one wrestler was standing outside the circle when it was awarded?

 

[Abro1975]

Can you explain how it was a takedown with 20 or 30 seconds left and one wrestler was standing outside the circle when it was awarded?

What are you referring to ? I was talking about the NON - Take down call, and how HS rules are different than College. I'm not being arguementative, just want to know exactly what you are talking about. 20 or 30 seconds left when, in first period ? Thanks

 

[championhawk]

What are you referring to ? I was talking about the NON - Take down call, and how HS rules are different than College. I'm not being arguementative, just want to know exactly what you are talking about. 20 or 30 seconds left when, in first period ? Thanks

I'm not being argumentative either. I think it was an obvious flee in the first period. You mentioned about both wrestlers being inside the circle for a TD in HS. 20-30 seconds left in the 3rd period one wrestler appeared to be standing OOB when the TD was awarded. Maybe it was awarded earlier?

 

[BDB57]

I watched the AA finals at my sister-in-law's and saw Teasdale get his 3rd....a real talent! I heard during the AAs that Spenser looked almost human in the semis but didnt hear he was injured. My heart goes out to him. I was disappointed that some said he gassed.....gotta consider how much he could do anything cardio on one leg!

Anyway, I hope that he comes to Iowa healthy and ready to wrestle. Will root against him vs Penn State but that is expected. Will love to root for him during his internation/Olympic run!

For what it's worth Austin DeSanto acknowledged Lee was injured and gave him credit for still coming to wrestle. Would have loved to have DeSanto at PSU also.

To hell with those posting anything negative about Spenser!

 

[niteowlgt]

The clock showing zero was on the other mat, not the Lee-DiSanto extravaganza.

 

[UndercoverHawk]

The clock showing zero was on the other mat, not the Lee-DiSanto extravaganza.

The clock in the picture right by Spencer's mat was for the other mat with the same exact score?

 

[LaxHawk174]

The clock in the picture right by Spencer's mat was for the other mat with the same exact score?

Fake news. Sad!

 

[Abro1975]

This is too funny, lol. Slow weekend for wrestling I guess. After next weekend, ugh, a long time until College Football starts up.

 

[24 so far]

The clock in the picture right by Spencer's mat was for the other mat with the same exact score?

That's one hell of a coincidence isn't it? Time must have been running right along with the Lee-DeSanto match too! LOL!

 

[21Guns]

I will never understand why middle aged men troll other middle aged men over the exploits of boys. Talk about creepy.

Comical that you jump on the pile on this board and don't have the sack to even respond to me on our own board. LMAO.

 

[spm51567]

I just watched the match on Flo and noticed that after the first period when Spencer won the flip he wanted to start on top, but his coaches told him to defer. In the third period, I know they figured Desanto would release him for an easy point, but if Spencer would of taken top, (like he wanted to) maybe he could of rode him out and won. He did ride him for 41 seconds after his takedown.

 

[Pennstate1985]

Comical that you jump on the pile on this board and don't have the sack to even respond to me on our own board. LMAO.

Because I have you on ignore there numbnutz. Both you and Spyker. The only reason you're not on ignore here is that you don't post often enough for me to waste the 15 seconds putting you on ignore. Any other questions you need to ask before you go bye-bye?

 

[moosemonster]

Because I have you on ignore there numbnutz. Both you and Spyker. The only reason you're not on ignore here is that you don't post often enough for me to waste the 15 seconds putting you on ignore. Any other questions you need to ask before you go bye-bye?

I am so old that I never spelled numbnutz with a Z. But I like it.

 

[dicemen99]

A couple of things from someone who was in the stands up close there:

1) The couple of guys on here who are ripping the PA fans are clueless. It was the most anticipated bout of the night (maybe the decade) by a large margin. The crowd was cheering everything - even non-scoring action that went out of bounds. It was almost impossible not to root for DeSanto. I mean, 4 year undefeated state champs don't grow on trees. Despite some gobbly-gook posted on other boards, this was the greatest upset in PA state tournament history. As one of my best friends put it after the finals - "Spencer Lee is my favorite wrestler (he has 3 young boys who idolize Spencer). But I had to cheer for DeSanto. It was amazing. Vision Quest."

2. Initial knee jerk reaction like Teasdale's post is very understandable. It is very difficult to have everyone cheering for the opponent of a family member or close friend. I have experienced this myself. Small example - I have a boy who I consider to be part of my family who is an excellent wrestler (he also won a state title on Saturday night, woo-hoo). Brought him to a dual event this fall. He was in a tight match with a kid who he had beaten 3 or 4 times before. Everyone on the other side was going crazy. His opponent's coach (who has also coached my guy many times) was going crazy on from the bench exhorting his wrestler. We lost. I came home and told his mother that the coach was a dick, and the kid's family and friends were jerks. I'm 52 and still I was butthurt. Guess what? The coach is a great guy. I've seen him multiple times since and can't believe I even had my ridiculous reaction for a second. Met the family of the other kid at another event later and they were great people and had nothing but respect for us. They were excited that their boy had gotten such a big win. In retrospect, everyone is competitive and fiercely loyal to their family and close friends.

3) DeSanto acknowledged as much that the injury affected Lee. I would as well. I think a healthy Lee would have maybe majored DeSanto, or at least won a controlling decision. But they both went on the mat and some of the posts on here diminish DeSanto. IMO, the mobility was affected but he still controlled the early part of the match. What cost him the match was conditioning. He had nothing left midway through the second. Very slow to come back to the center, could have gotten hit with stalling a few times, etc. And when you can't practice for a month and the few matches you get last about a minute - guess what? You can't wrestle six minutes. Impossible. My boy has an endless tank and I've seen the same thing happen to him. Last postseason he was dealing with multiple issues and he had about 2 minutes of good wrestling in him each match.

 

[championhawk]

A couple of things from someone who was in the stands up close there:

1) The couple of guys on here who are ripping the PA fans are clueless. It was the most anticipated bout of the night (maybe the decade) by a large margin. The crowd was cheering everything - even non-scoring action that went out of bounds. It was almost impossible not to root for DeSanto. I mean, 4 year undefeated state champs don't grow on trees. Despite some gobbly-gook posted on other boards, this was the greatest upset in PA state tournament history. As one of my best friends put it after the finals - "Spencer Lee is my favorite wrestler (he has 3 young boys who idolize Spencer). But I had to cheer for DeSanto. It was amazing. Vision Quest."

2. Initial knee jerk reaction like Teasdale's post is very understandable. It is very difficult to have everyone cheering for the opponent of a family member or close friend. I have experienced this myself. Small example - I have a boy who I consider to be part of my family who is an excellent wrestler (he also won a state title on Saturday night, woo-hoo). Brought him to a dual event this fall. He was in a tight match with a kid who he had beaten 3 or 4 times before. Everyone on the other side was going crazy. His opponent's coach (who has also coached my guy many times) was going crazy on from the bench exhorting his wrestler. We lost. I came home and told his mother that the coach was a dick, and the kid's family and friends were jerks. I'm 52 and still I was butthurt. Guess what? The coach is a great guy. I've seen him multiple times since and can't believe I even had my ridiculous reaction for a second. Met the family of the other kid at another event later and they were great people and had nothing but respect for us. They were excited that their boy had gotten such a big win. In retrospect, everyone is competitive and fiercely loyal to their family and close friends.

3) DeSanto acknowledged as much that the injury affected Lee. I would as well. I think a healthy Lee would have maybe majored DeSanto, or at least won a controlling decision. But they both went on the mat and some of the posts on here diminish DeSanto. IMO, the mobility was affected but he still controlled the early part of the match. What cost him the match was conditioning. He had nothing left midway through the second. Very slow to come back to the center, could have gotten hit with stalling a few times, etc. And when you can't practice for a month and the few matches you get last about a minute - guess what? You can't wrestle six minutes. Impossible. My boy has an endless tank and I've seen the same thing happen to him. Last postseason he was dealing with multiple issues and he had about 2 minutes of good wrestling in him each match.

Overall I don't have a problem with your post but I woudn't say DeSanto controlled the early part of the match. He ran out of bounds to avoid a takedown which may have led to a ride out. In that situation Spencer may have chosen top and had DeSanto gassed or turned in the 2nd period. DeSanto was also very slow to get to center on at least 1 occasion. I think De Santo knew Spencer was hurt and knew his gas tank couldn't be 100%
. Also, I haven't seen a single post on here diminishing DeSanto so please don't make stuff up. Everyone has acknowledged the obvious.
1. DeSanto won fair and square
2. The result would have been different had Spencer been 100%.

 

[dicemen99]

Overall I don't have a problem with your post but I woudn't say DeSanto controlled the early part of the match. He ran out of bounds to avoid a takedown which may have led to a ride out. In that situation Spencer may have chosen top and had DeSanto gassed or turned in the 2nd period. DeSanto was also very slow to get to center on at least 1 occasion. I think De Santo knew Spencer was hurt and knew his gas tank couldn't be 100%
. Also, I haven't seen a single post on here diminishing DeSanto so please don't make stuff up. Everyone has acknowledged the obvious.
1. DeSanto won fair and square
2. The result would have been different had Spencer been 100%.

You misinterpreted my post (probably my fault) - I meant to convey that Spencer controlled the match up to that point.

I'm not making things up - couple of guys on here posted things to the effect "big whoop, beat a guy wrestling on one leg." Certainly not everyone, nor the majority - as I pointed out in my post. To do so, diminishes DeSanto. As you state, Spencer took the mat, and DeSanto won fair and square. DeSanto went on record back in November that he was going 126 because he "didn't care about winning state titles, wanted to win national titles." He backed it up. Not his fault that Lee was not 100%. I also stated I think at 100% Lee wins, maybe by major, maybe by controlled decision. But matches are wrestled as they are - and usually not at 100% in March.

 

[championhawk]

You misinterpreted my post (probably my fault) - I meant to convey that Spencer controlled the match up to that point.

I'm not making things up - couple of guys on here posted things to the effect "big whoop, beat a guy wrestling on one leg." Certainly not everyone, nor the majority - as I pointed out in my post. To do so, diminishes DeSanto. As you state, Spencer took the mat, and DeSanto won fair and square. DeSanto went on record back in November that he was going 126 because he "didn't care about winning state titles, wanted to win national titles." He backed it up. Not his fault that Lee was not 100%. I also stated I think at 100% Lee wins, maybe by major, maybe by controlled decision. But matches are wrestled as they are - and usually not at 100% in March.

I bet the number of posters on your forum and this forum who did that are about equal. I know for certain at least 2 have on your forum. I don't think there have been anyone actually diminishing his accomplishment any more than DeSanto did. You could feel the disappointment in his interview that Spencer wasn't 100%. DeSanto seemed to have felt robbed knowing that he beat a watered down version of Spencer which naturally does diminish the win in everyone's eyes. He should still be proud of putting himself in that position. It is ironic how Spencer's injury hurt DeSanto also.

 

[dicemen99]

I bet the number of posters on your forum and this forum who did that are about equal. I know for certain at least 2 have on your forum. I don't think there have been anyone actually diminishing his accomplishment any more than DeSanto did. You could feel the disappointment in his interview that Spencer wasn't 100%. DeSanto seemed to have felt robbed knowing that he beat a watered down version of Spencer which naturally does diminish the win in everyone's eyes. He should still be proud of putting himself in that position. It is ironic how Spencer's injury hurt DeSanto also.

I would agree with this. There are posters that are butt-hurt about this all over PA whether Spencer is an Iowa recruit or not. Posted on another thread that this is a natural reaction, I've done it myself when you are emotionally invested in a wrestler.

My actual point on this is that I think the effect of the injury on Spencer's conditioning was more the factor in the loss than the effect on mobility - although that was certainly affected to some effect as well. In truth, many guys are not operating at 100% at this point in the season and have something limiting them. But you can get through a match minimizing that. What you can't get through a match with is no conditioning. When you can only go 2 or 3 minutes, it's really difficult to win against elite guys.