Starting 5 for Basketball

[Suterman]

It really could go a LOT of different ways. Here is what I'm feeling.

If Jordan is ready.
G- Bakari Evelyn
G- Jordan Bohannon
F- Joe Wieskamp
F- Jack Nunge
C- Luka Garza

If no Jordan.
G- Joe Toussaint
G- Bakari Evelyn
F- Joe Wieskamp
F- Jack Nunge
C- Luka Garza

Thoughts?

 

[2432Hawk]

It really could go a LOT of different ways. Here is what I'm feeling.

If Jordan is ready.
G- Bakari Evelyn
G- Jordan Bohannon
F- Joe Wieskamp
F- Jack Nunge
C- Luka Garza

If no Jordan.
G- Joe Toussaint
G- Bakari Evelyn
F- Joe Wieskamp
F- Jack Nunge
C- Luka Garza

Thoughts?

Funny, after reading the Scrimmage thread I was about to post basically the same thing.

 

[mazda1]

If no Jordan I’d guess this group for the opener.

Bakari
Conner
Joe W
Kriener
Garza

They might not get the most minutes, but Fran will favor experience early on and let play on the court determine who gets the minutes as we get closer to B1G games. I would expect more Nunge, Joe T, Patrick and Pemsl minutes to expanded in the early games to determine who can be counted on in close contests. Hopefully Garza and Joe W get plenty of rest early as we’ll ride them hard later in the season.

 

[2432Hawk]

However, assuming Jordan is ready to go day 1, I'm going to go this way a bit.
Starters:
C-Luka Garza 6'11" 260lbs. Jr
PF-Jack Nunge 6'11" 250lbs. So
WG-Joe Wieskamp 6'6" 210lbs. So
SG-Jordan Bohannon 6'1" 185lbs. Sr
PG-Joe Toussaint 6'0" 185lbs. Fr
Bench:
PF-Cordell Pemsl 6'9" 248 lbs. Jr
PF-Ryan Kriener 6'10" 255lbs. Sr
SF-Patrick McCaffery 6'9" 190lbs. Fr
G/F-Connor McCaffery 6'5" 205lbs. So
SG-C.J. Fredrick 6'3" 195lbs. Fr
PG-Bakari Evelyn 6'2" 180lbs. Sr

 

[StormHawk42]

I know we’ve had media day but won’t there be like a gameweek press conference day coming up soon too?

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

It really could go a LOT of different ways. Here is what I'm feeling.

If Jordan is ready.
G- Bakari Evelyn
G- Jordan Bohannon
F- Joe Wieskamp
F- Jack Nunge
C- Luka Garza

If no Jordan.
G- Joe Toussaint
G- Bakari Evelyn
F- Joe Wieskamp
F- Jack Nunge
C- Luka Garza

Thoughts?

Spot on IMO.

 

[sober_teacher]

However, assuming Jordan is ready to go day 1, I'm going to go this way a bit.
Starters:
C-Luka Garza 6'11" 260lbs. Jr
PF-Jack Nunge 6'11" 250lbs. So
WG-Joe Wieskamp 6'6" 210lbs. So
SG-Jordan Bohannon 6'1" 185lbs. Sr
PG-Joe Toussaint 6'0" 185lbs. Fr
Bench:
PF-Cordell Pemsl 6'9" 248 lbs. Jr
PF-Ryan Kriener 6'10" 255lbs. Sr
SF-Patrick McCaffery 6'9" 190lbs. Fr
G/F-Connor McCaffery 6'5" 205lbs. So
SG-C.J. Fredrick 6'3" 195lbs. Fr
PG-Bakari Evelyn 6'2" 180lbs. Sr

Pretty sure Bohannon is almost certainly not going to play this year, and he shouldn't unless he's absolutely 100%.

For the opener I would expect
G - Bakari (I won't be surprised if Toussaint eventually passes him tho)
G - Fredrick
F - Wieskamp
F - Pemsl
C - Garza

Whether or not that's the lineup for B10 play I don't know. I potentially really like the possible depth, I think we should be able to score points - hopefully the defense is better.

 

[skydog0784]

It really could go a LOT of different ways. Here is what I'm feeling.

If Jordan is ready.
G- Bakari Evelyn
G- Jordan Bohannon
F- Joe Wieskamp
F- Jack Nunge
C- Luka Garza

If no Jordan.
G- Joe Toussaint
G- Bakari Evelyn
F- Joe Wieskamp
F- Jack Nunge
C- Luka Garza

Thoughts?

Agree, I on first on your first set if JBo plays (which now seems to be likely) but would swap out Joe T for CJF on the second set if JBo does not play this year.

Limited reports coming out of scrimmage and practices suggests that Evelyn has played his way into the Top 5 to at least begin the year; not to mention his experience.

 

[jasonrann]

Pretty sure Bohannon is almost certainly not going to play this year, and he shouldn't unless he's absolutely 100%.

For the opener I would expect
G - Bakari (I won't be surprised if Toussaint eventually passes him tho)
G - Fredrick
F - Wieskamp
F - Pemsl
C - Garza

Whether or not that's the lineup for B10 play I don't know. I potentially really like the possible depth, I think we should be able to score points - hopefully the defense is better.

This is also my guess.

 

[CanadaHawk]

It really could go a LOT of different ways. Here is what I'm feeling.

If Jordan is ready.
G- Bakari Evelyn
G- Jordan Bohannon
F- Joe Wieskamp
F- Jack Nunge
C- Luka Garza

If no Jordan.
G- Joe Toussaint
G- Bakari Evelyn
F- Joe Wieskamp
F- Jack Nunge
C- Luka Garza

Thoughts?

Note that if Jordan plays, you’re projecting a starting SENIOR backcourt in JBo and Bakari. I’d be totally onboard with that.

If JBo doesn’t play, we’re back to the Connor vs JoeT debate. But I still think Bakari starts. There will be depth! What a concept.

 

[Ronman]

If Jordan thinks he can play effectively, I suspect he will play in the exhibition and a couple of cupcake games to see how it goes. Then he can decide whether to continue or opt for the redshirt.

 

[Hawkeye Marching Band]

I doubt Pemsl begins the season as a starter because of his OWI. He's an energy guy, so for that reason he may come off the bench all season.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

My info has been drying up but the last intel seems to indicate Bakari and Jordan start. Jordan playing is remarkable.

 

[jasonrann]

My info has been drying up but the last intel seems to indicate Bakari and Jordan start. Jordan playing is remarkable.

That is my read on the situation too. I think they've handled it well. When they first announced the issue, made it very clear from the start he wouldn't play unless healthy. It seems they have prepared well for that. If JBo plays and is healthy, this year will be even more fun.

 

[Mohawkeye]

My info has been drying up but the last intel seems to indicate Bakari and Jordan start. Jordan playing is remarkable.

I’m really hoping we get to see JBo and Bakari play together. I think their skills will compliment each other and having two senior guards is a recipe for the NCAAs.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

If no Bohannon, I'm most interested in seeing what an Evelyn-Toussaint-Wieskamp perimeter lineup can do.

 

[Suterman]

If no Bohannon, I'm most interested in seeing what an Evelyn-Toussaint-Wieskamp perimeter lineup can do.

Yeah me too and we haven't talked much about CJ Fredrick either. I am excited for next week.

 

[Ballhawk1221]

That is my read on the situation too. I think they've handled it well. When they first announced the issue, made it very clear from the start he wouldn't play unless healthy. It seems they have prepared well for that. If JBo plays and is healthy, this year will be even more fun.

I'm shocked at how quickly we've gone from "Bohannon has no chance to play" to "Bohannon might play the entire season." His recovery has been impressive. Whatever he decides, I hope Jordan stays healthy for the entire year. For everything he's given this program, all the shit that's been directed at him, he deserves nothing less than to go out playing the best ball of his career, with no nagging injuries holding him back.

 

[soowon]

Its hard to believe that bohannon will be better than Evelyn. I doubt Toussaint would start over Evelyn.

 

[David1979]

It really could go a LOT of different ways. Here is what I'm feeling.

If Jordan is ready.
G- Bakari Evelyn
G- Jordan Bohannon
F- Joe Wieskamp
F- Jack Nunge
C- Luka Garza

If no Jordan.
G- Joe Toussaint
G- Bakari Evelyn
F- Joe Wieskamp
F- Jack Nunge
C- Luka Garza

Thoughts?

if Jordan is ready to gol

Bohannon
McCaffery
Wieskamp
Nunge
Garza

if not, then Frederick will start.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Its hard to believe that bohannon will be better than Evelyn. I doubt Toussaint would start over Evelyn.

you don’t think we have guys better than an MVC role player?

 

[perryhawk]

If no Jordan I’d guess this group for the opener.

Bakari
Conner
Joe W
Kriener
Garza

They might not get the most minutes, but Fran will favor experience early on and let play on the court determine who gets the minutes as we get closer to B1G games. I would expect more Nunge, Joe T, Patrick and Pemsl minutes to expanded in the early games to determine who can be counted on in close contests. Hopefully Garza and Joe W get plenty of rest early as we’ll ride them hard later in the season.

I think this is correct (except Nunge for Kriener).....experience will be very important and that lineup provides it. Against the tougher teams this will most certainly be A KEY lineup....against the chump teams we could see about anything.

It APPEARS that Jordan will play....even if he is not in top basketball condition I think Fran will defer to his experience and productivity and have him start...then play him whatever minutes are best. That would look like:

Bakari
JBO
Joe W
Nunge
Garza

Joe T will get significant minutes if the reports of his play are correct, and CJ is in the same boat. Connor (my guess) will be the utility guy and play the 1-3 dependent upon a variety of circumstances.

 

[sober_teacher]

you don’t think we have guys better than an MVC role player?

? Bakari started at Valpo for a couple of years. Lost his position due to injury.

 

[perryhawk]

Post Press Conference.....

Nunge...seems pretty certain that he will start at PF....Fran didn't specifically say THAT, but he said that he has been consistently good in practice. Fran singled him out for that level of performance.

CJ sounds like he is making a bid for starting, BUT it is my gut feel that he will play significant minutes while others start...just JBO coming back, all the other guards playing well in practice, etc.

 

[Jumpshot00]

I am looking forward to watching this years guards, especially if Bohannon is back. In the Fran era we have consistently been guard poor..either in depth or complimentary skill sets. Bakari adds ball handling and experience, Joe T quickness, CJ Fredrick hopefully shooting and defense to go with Connor and JBo.

Looking back over the years with Moss- while a really good scorer at times, in the backcourt he struggled with ball skills, putting a lot of pressure on JBo to carry that load. Then McCaffrey could handle the ball but was limited offensively.

Before that, Gessel/Clemmons were nice players but essentially the same guy with the same strengths and weaknesses and Olgesby never being a consistent offensive threat. Dev Marble, clearly a really good guard, but could have used that ever elusive quick pg to be a running mate.

 

[todd_schisler]

1) Bohannon/CMAC
2) Fredrick
3) Wieskamp
4) Nunge
5) Garza

Book it!

 

[Hawkeye Marching Band]

I think this is correct (except Nunge for Kriener).....experience will be very important and that lineup provides it. Against the tougher teams this will most certainly be A KEY lineup....against the chump teams we could see about anything.

It APPEARS that Jordan will play....even if he is not in top basketball condition I think Fran will defer to his experience and productivity and have him start...then play him whatever minutes are best. That would look like:

Bakari
JBO
Joe W
Nunge
Garza

Joe T will get significant minutes if the reports of his play are correct, and CJ is in the same boat. Connor (my guess) will be the utility guy and play the 1-3 dependent upon a variety of circumstances.

This 5 sounds about right to me (assuming J-Bo is ready). Here's my best guess for backups to go with them. There will be 2-3 guys capable of playing point on the floor at the same time, so look for them to share the PG duties.

G1 - J-Bo, Joe T, CMac, Bakari
G2 - Bakari, CJF, J-Bo, Joe W
SF - Joe W, CMac, PMac, CJF
PF - Nunge, Pemsl, PMac, Kriener, Joe W
C - Garza, Kriener, Nunge

 

[perryhawk]

This 5 sounds about right to me (assuming J-Bo is ready). Here's my best guess for backups to go with them. There will be 2-3 guys capable of playing point on the floor at the same time, so look for them to share the PG duties.

G1 - J-Bo, Joe T, CMac, Bakari
G2 - Bakari, CJF, J-Bo, Joe W
SF - Joe W, CMac, PMac, CJF
PF - Nunge, Pemsl, PMac, Kriener, Joe W
C - Garza, Kriener, Nunge

I think that's pretty legit....but, I see Patrick getting significant playing time...he has reportedly played REALLY well in practice.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

The F McC interview echos a lot of what my boys in IC have told me about CJ. Now F McC is given to a lot of sales pitch hyperbole but he says CJ is the best guard defender. This is very consistent with what the guys that watched them play this summer and fall scrimmages have said about CJ and Joey T. They both get in the ball handlers face and harass the hell out of the ball handlers. Lots of talking to the ball handlers so probably getting a little free rent between the other guy's ears as well.

Continue to echo was I've been told. Joey T and CJ might not start this season but Hawk fans are going to love them for the next four years.

 

[seer_hawk]

If Bohannon is back, I think we see Bakari more at the 2 than PG. If you move Connor to the 3 behind Wieskamp, when does P-Mac get his opportunity to play? Unless we go small at PF, with Joe W or P-Mac, the guard court gets pretty crowded (assuming Evelyn, Joe T, CJ are as good as we've been hearing).

 

[unoHawkeye]

If Bohannon is back, I think we see Bakari more at the 2 than PG. If you move Connor to the 3 behind Wieskamp, when does P-Mac get his opportunity to play? Unless we go small at PF, with Joe W or P-Mac, the guard court gets pretty crowded (assuming Evelyn, Joe T, CJ are as good as we've been hearing).

I don’t know about his passing or ballhandling, but if Evelyn is as quick as advertised, wouldn’t it make more sense for him to be spending more time at PG and Bohannon off the ball?

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

If Jordan and Bak start I think you're looking at not discernible difference between the "1" and "2". It will just depend on gets the ball at the point of attack.

The true backcourt blue sky is two guys that just instinctively do what guards do. Good enough ball handlers with good enough floor vision that can shoot well enough to keep the defense honest that they don't need to be pigeon holed into a specific kind of position.

Two senior guards that have both played both positions is a good backcourt. Mikey G and AC were a strong backcourt. Connor and perhaps Joey T as well, on the other hand, has/have not shown that he/they can shoot well enough to be a starting shooter. Most point guards never learn how to float open on the break because they always have the ball and usually in the middle of the floor. I think both Jordan and Bakari may be better with the ball but both know exactly what to do without the ball. That is a huge advantage.

 

[BBHawk]

Just having the luxury of 4 pg-type players and 2 other wings who can handle the ball well will help Iowa a lot this year.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Patrick is going to play some at PF. I don’t get why this is hard to understand.

 

[seer_hawk]

Just having the luxury of 4 pg-type players and 2 other wings who can handle the ball well will help Iowa a lot this year.

Agreed. It wasn't that long ago we had a makeshift PG in Dailey.

It will be interesting to see how this season plays out, as Fran needs to balance out a team that's more guard oriented than his previous teams. IMO Wieskamp would probably be our best player at the 2-4, and P-Mac truly is a SF at 6'9"; Moreso than White or Uthoff.

 

[hawkland14]

Patrick is going to play some at PF. I don’t get why this is hard to understand.

It's hard to understand because he weighs 190 pounds and will get eaten alive by Michigan State and Maryland bigs. It happened to Nunge two years ago. I can't believe you are in favor of Patrick playing PF?

 

[BBHawk]

It's hard to understand because he weighs 190 pounds and will get eaten alive by Michigan State and Maryland bigs. It happened to Nunge two years ago. I can't believe you are in favor of Patrick playing PF?

I believe the poster means in certain situations.

 

[jasonrann]

It's hard to understand because he weighs 190 pounds and will get eaten alive by Michigan State and Maryland bigs. It happened to Nunge two years ago. I can't believe you are in favor of Patrick playing PF?

It would be a situational thing. If we get a team like Michigan last year that played four guards/wings along with one big, you could stick PMac at the #4 along with Nunge or Garza at the #5.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

It's hard to understand because he weighs 190 pounds and will get eaten alive by Michigan State and Maryland bigs. It happened to Nunge two years ago. I can't believe you are in favor of Patrick playing PF?

Did you miss Aaron whites career?

 

[perryhawk]

It would be a situational thing. If we get a team like Michigan last year that played four guards/wings along with one big, you could stick PMac at the #4 along with Nunge or Garza at the #5.

I agree with this 100%......I think of zone defense and all of those long and sometimes skinny athletes that Syracuse uses (successfully against physical teams) and I think of Patrick's lateral quickness, his ability to dribble drive, and his ability to handle on the break.....in those situations he could be VERY effective.

That said, we will have to see how he performs once real games hit.