Steele Dossier #2: Trump Org. Paid the Russian Hackers

[cigaretteman]

From The Guardian (UK):

The UK government was given details last December of allegedly extensive contacts between the Trump campaign and Moscow, according to court papers.

…

The December memo alleged that four Trump representatives travelled to Prague in August or September in 2016 for “secret discussions with Kremlin representatives and associated operators/hackers”, about how to pay hackers secretly for penetrating Democratic party computer systems and “contingency plans for covering up operations”.

Between March and September, the December memo alleges, the hackers used botnets and porn traffic to transmit viruses, plant bugs and steal data online from Democratic party leadership. Two of the hackers had been “recruited under duress by the FSB” the memo said. The hackers were paid by the Trump organisation, but were under the control of Vladimir Putin’s presidential administration.

(my bold)

www.theguardian.com/…

This information comes from a second, less known-about dossier submitted by the former MI6 agent Christopher Steele. As we are now aware, his first dossier was so reliable that the FBI are using it as a sort of road map to their investigation.

For the record, it doesn’t get much more collusive than Trump’s literally paying for the Russian hacking. Follow the money!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657181/-Steele-Dossier-2-Trump-Org-Paid-the-Russian-Hackers

 

[Huey Grey]

If true, whoever was involved belongs in jail.

 

[ICHawk-I]

Bombing of North Korea in 3...2...1...

 

[Huey Grey]

Bombing of North Korea in 3...2...1...

Come on. You're telling me the same man who conned $150 million out of Americans with a scam university would try conning us this way? Impossible.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Fake news

 

[Boris_Badenov]

It's still gotta sting that your party cheated a candidate that a lot of people would have supported, for the worst, and easily most corrupt, presidential candidate in the history of the United States.

 

[Huey Grey]

It's still gotta sting that your party cheated a candidate that a lot of people would have supported, for the worst, and easily most corrupt, presidential candidate in the history of the United States.

You'll just never call out Trump, will you? Keep on suckin'

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Trump put the russia crap to rest when he bombed their migs. Now he's trying to make a coalition with china to wipe out the idiot in nk. Russia tried and failed to get hills installed -thank goodness they failed

 

[naturalmwa]

Lol, Putin built a "wall" and got Trump to pay for it. You cons are a bunch of amateurs.

 

[Joes Place]

...AND....tell us which Dem campaign officials or workers got hacked by using the "porn traffic" method!!!

 

[ottumwan in tx]

...AND....tell us which Dem campaign officials or workers got hacked by using the "porn traffic" method!!!

podesta

 

[Boris_Badenov]

You'll just never call out Trump, will you? Keep on suckin'

You mean like I did in that net neutrality thread the other day?

How about this?

You'll just never admit that your party walking away from the working class, it's corruption in the primary, it's rampant corporatism, it's anti-liberty stance, and running the worst candidate in the history of the US led you to losing to Donald Trump.

 

[ICHawk-I]

Trump put the russia crap to rest when he bombed their migs. Now he's trying to make a coalition with china to wipe out the idiot in nk. Russia tried and failed to get hills installed -thank goodness they failed

I assume you're talking about the Syrian airstrip? The one we called Russia to warn them about it? None of their plans damaged. Maybe old ones they sold Assad.

I'm sure it's worth it to Putin to lose a few migs if he could cast doubt on his relationship with Trump.

 

[Huey Grey]

You mean like I did in that net neutrality thread the other day?

How about this?

You'll just never admit that your party walking away from the working class, it's corruption in the primary, it's rampant corporatism, it's anti-liberty stance, and running the worst candidate in the history of the US led you to losing to Donald Trump.

Yeah, you really busted Trump's balls in that thread. One comment that people should go after their representatives instead of Trump. Damn, that was viscious.

 

[Boris_Badenov]

Yeah, you realky busted Trump's balls in that thread. One comment that people should go after their representatives instead of Trump. Damn, that was viscious.

You should probably go back and read that thread again, especially the part where I called him out for signing that bogus FCC bill that allowed the internet providers to sell your search history to the corporations.

 

[Huey Grey]

You should probably go back and read that thread again, especially the part where I called him out for signing that bogus FCC bill that allowed the internet providers to sell your search history to the corporations.

This is all you wrote in that thread. Perhaps your memory is faulty.

"He already signed that GD FCC bill. I wouldn't be surprised if he signed this if put before him. The bottom line is that you need to bust your representatives balls about this and not let it get to Trump."

Pretty softball criticism of the orange one.

 

[Boris_Badenov]

This is all you wrote in that thread. Perhaps your memory is faulty.

"He already signed that GD FCC bill. I wouldn't be surprised if he signed this if put before him. The bottom line is that you need to bust your representatives balls about this and not let it get to Trump."

Yeah...you see that part where I wrote "he already signed that GD FCC bill?" Well, the GD stands for "goddamn." That isn't an endearing term where I come from. I don't know how you couldn't understand that I didn't approve of that bill, but I'll tell you once again that I didn't approve of that bill.

Does anyone know how to translate the quoted line into grunts for Huey?

 

[Huey Grey]

Yeah...you see that part where I wrote "he already signed that GD FCC bill?" Well, the GD stands for "goddamn." That isn't an endearing term where I come from. I don't know how you couldn't understand that I didn't approve of that bill, but I'll tell you once again that I didn't approve of that bill.

Does anyone know how to translate the quoted line into grunts for Huey?

If the best you can do with all the bullshit Trump has put us through is one lowgrade criticism of him, then you've got problems.

Even you have to admit, you've been excusing his bad behavior a lot by trying to shift the blame on others.

We see it in this thread. Team Trump might have paid the Russians to hack the Democrats and your response is that the Dems are the ones to blame for not running a candidate who could beat Trump even with this Russian hacking.

Pretty lame deflection on your part for possible treason by Trump.

 

[BGHAWK]

Trump put the russia crap to rest when he bombed their migs. Now he's trying to make a coalition with china to wipe out the idiot in nk. Russia tried and failed to get hills installed -thank goodness they failed

fake news

 

[Boris_Badenov]

If the best you can do with all the bullshit Trump has put us through is one lowgrade criticism of him, then you've got problems.

Even you have to admit, you've been excusing his bad behavior a lot by trying to shift the blame on others.

We see it in this thread. Team Trump might have paid the Russians to hack the Democrats and your response is that the Dems are the ones to blame for not running a candidate who could beat Trump even with this Russian hacking.

Pretty lame deflection on your part for possible treason by Trump.

What all has he put us through? Crazy tweets? I don't care about those. I don't care for his posturing against North Korea or the Syria bombing, but they're still better than the foreign policy of "drone whack-a-mole" we've had over the last sixteen years. He hasn't bailed out the corporations multiple times, he hasn't killed tens of thousands of innocents, and he hasn't sold us out to the insurance industry yet, so I still hold out some hope.

 

[Huey Grey]

What all has he put us through? Crazy tweets? I don't care about those. I don't care for his posturing against North Korea or the Syria bombing, but they're still better than the foreign policy of "drone whack-a-mole" we've had over the last sixteen years. He hasn't bailed out the corporations multiple times, he hasn't killed tens of thousands of innocents, and he hasn't sold us out to the insurance industry yet, so I still hold out some hope.

Thanks for proving my point that you see very little wrong with Trump. Thank god the nation disagrees with you. Obamacare is more popular than Trump. He's been a complete joke.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

I assume you're talking about the Syrian airstrip? The one we called Russia to warn them about it? None of their plans damaged. Maybe old ones they sold Assad.

I'm sure it's worth it to Putin to lose a few migs if he could cast doubt on his relationship with Trump.

yeah this makes sense. Putin fighting proxy war thru syria. He gets his arse handed to him by trump. Who soppesedly warned putin out of love, before bombing putin's assets. Then putin sacrifices migs to cover up he and trump's relationship, when it is trump who should be covering, instead trump publicly punks putin. Makes sense.

 

[Boris_Badenov]

Thanks for proving my point that you see very little wrong with Trump. Thank god the nation disagrees with you. Obamacare is more popular than Trump. He's been a complete joke.

I asked you what he's done. You're so convinced that he's pure evil, well why don't you come up with something concrete. I'm not interested in what you think, I'm interested in what has actually happened. That's the difference between us. I think logically and you think emotionally.

 

[BGHAWK]

What all has he put us through? Crazy tweets? I don't care about those. I don't care for his posturing against North Korea or the Syria bombing, but they're still better than the foreign policy of "drone whack-a-mole" we've had over the last sixteen years. He hasn't bailed out the corporations multiple times, he hasn't killed tens of thousands of innocents, and he hasn't sold us out to the insurance industry yet, so I still hold out some hope.

He has continued with hundreds of drones and he has killed an unknown amount of innocents. Do you remember the 59 missiles
he sent to Syria? His big mouth, you call it posturing, is something you should care about with regards to NK.

 

[Boris_Badenov]

He has continued with hundreds of drones and he has killed an unknown amount of innocents. Do you remember the 59 missiles
he sent to Syria? His big mouth, you call it posturing, is something you should care about with regards to NK.

Again, I don't care what he says. I care about what he does.

And yeah, I'm not big on the bombings, like I said in my earlier post. Now, if you agree that you're against the bombings, can we at least agree that Obama was a complete scumbag who did that for eight years straight?

 

[Huey Grey]

I asked you what he's done. You're so convinced that he's pure evil, well why don't you come up with something concrete. I'm not interested in what you think, I'm interested in what has actually happened. That's the difference between us. I think logically and you think emotionally.

• Outright lying to the public on a daily basis
• Filling his cabinet with completely unqualified candidates
• Trying to destroy the press
• Setting us backwards on Climate Change
• Incorrectly threatening war with North Korea
• Causing wild swings in the market with factually incorrect tweets
• Trying to sell his product lines on government websites
• Threatening to break up federal courts who rule against him
• Attempting to ban Muslims
• Trying to muzzle scientifically based agencies
• Hiring National Security Advisers who colluded with Russia
• Holding national security meetings in public

I can keep going if you want?

 

[Boris_Badenov]

• Outright lying to the public on a daily basis
• Filling his cabinet with completely unqualified candidates
• Trying to destroy the press
• Setting us backwards on Climate Change
• Incorrectly threatening war with North Korea
• Causing wild swings in the market with factually incorrect tweets
• Trying to sell his product lines on government websites
• Threatening to break up federal courts who rule against him
• Attempting to ban Muslims
• Trying to muzzle scientifically based agencies
• Hiring National Security Advisers who colluded with Russia
• Holding national security meetings in public

I can keep going if you want?

I already mentioned NK, so I'll skip that one.

-Lying to the public? I'm guessing you don't like any politician if you're against this one. Again, I don't care what they say, I care what they do.
-His cabinet? He hasn't even totally filled out his cabinet yet because the Dems keep pitching a fit. Again, I don't worry about stuff like this. I wonder what policies are getting passed. These arguments are purely subjective and have no basis in a logical argument.
-Trying to destroy the press? How? I've seen no anti-press legislation yet.
-Setting us back on Climate Change? Why? Because he doesn't follow every single little policy that you climate Nazis want? I'll tell you what, when you totally give up fossil fuels, get back to me, you hypocrite.
-The market? Really? The market is complete speculation. It's also a massive bubble that's due to burst. I'm sure you'll blame that on Trump as well.
-What is he trying to sell on government websites? This is the first that I've heard of this.
-Threatening to break up federal courts? This is a Republican Congress thing, and it needs to be done because the 9th circuit court represents an disproportionate amount of people and needs to be brought back in line...or are you against the courts be proportional. Let's not forget that this court also gets overturned by SCOTUS at an alarming rate, which means they are trying to legislate from the bench.
-Banning Muslims? You mean like Obama did in 2011? Let me ask you this. Do you think we would have been importing Germans, Japanese, and Italians during WWII?
-Muzzle scientifically based agencies? Again, do you have any proof of this?
-Russia? Yeah, there are lobbyists and contractors out there. Evidently Flynn passed a security test by the Obama administration as well. Funny how you would be upset about this while trying to defend a person who was influenced much more while being the Secretary of State.
-Holding NSA meeting in public? Good, I like the transparency. I can understand that you wouldn't like it, being an Obama/Clinton supporter.

So yeah, keep going if you want, or you could support a couple of these accusations that I'm a little fuzzy on.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

climate change is a hoax so I'd hope he would turn that around for sure

 

[Huey Grey]

I already mentioned NK, so I'll skip that one.

-Lying to the public? I'm guessing you don't like any politician if you're against this one. Again, I don't care what they say, I care what they do.
-His cabinet? He hasn't even totally filled out his cabinet yet because the Dems keep pitching a fit. Again, I don't worry about stuff like this. I wonder what policies are getting passed. These arguments are purely subjective and have no basis in a logical argument.
-Trying to destroy the press? How? I've seen no anti-press legislation yet.
-Setting us back on Climate Change? Why? Because he doesn't follow every single little policy that you climate Nazis want? I'll tell you what, when you totally give up fossil fuels, get back to me, you hypocrite.
-The market? Really? The market is complete speculation. It's also a massive bubble that's due to burst. I'm sure you'll blame that on Trump as well.
-What is he trying to sell on government websites? This is the first that I've heard of this.
-Threatening to break up federal courts? This is a Republican Congress thing, and it needs to be done because the 9th circuit court represents an disproportionate amount of people and needs to be brought back in line...or are you against the courts be proportional. Let's not forget that this court also gets overturned by SCOTUS at an alarming rate, which means they are trying to legislate from the bench.
-Banning Muslims? You mean like Obama did in 2011? Let me ask you this. Do you think we would have been importing Germans, Japanese, and Italians during WWII?
-Muzzle scientifically based agencies? Again, do you have any proof of this?
-Russia? Yeah, there are lobbyists and contractors out there. Evidently Flynn passed a security test by the Obama administration as well. Funny how you would be upset about this while trying to defend a person who was influenced much more while being the Secretary of State.
-Holding NSA meeting in public? Good, I like the transparency. I can understand that you wouldn't like it, being an Obama/Clinton supporter.

So yeah, keep going if you want, or you could support a couple of these accusations that I'm a little fuzzy on.

I'll take a stab at the last one. Holding national security meetings in public.

Do you know what kind of information is shared during these meetings? Classified information. Classified information pertinent to the safety and security of the nation.

This is need to know information. It is not for public consumption. So for Trump to hold these meetings while guests in Mar a Lago wandered around in the background is not just completely unacceptable, is is a severe violation to the security of the nation.

So for you to excuse this as necessary to transparency is ridiculous. The United States is not, nor has ever, been in the business of sharing classified national security information with anyone, including our enemies, to know.

 

[Boris_Badenov]

I'll take a stab at the last one. Holding national security meetings in public.

Do you know what kind of information is shared during these meetings? Classified information. Classified information pertinent to the safety and security of the nation.

This is need to know information. It is not for public consumption. So for Trump to hold these meetings while guests in Mar a Lago wandered around in the background is not just completely unacceptable, is is a severe violation to the security of the nation.

So for you to excuse this as necessary to transparency is ridiculous. The United States is not, nor has ever, been in the business of sharing classified national security information with anyone, including our enemies, to know.

Still don't care, dude. We shouldn't have any enemies, and the only reason we do is because both Republicans and Democrats wage war on anyone who just doesn't give us what we want, or tries to defy the western banking system. We shouldn't even need an NSA, and I don't trust an organization that illegally spies on its own citizens. So, support it all the way, comrade. I choose not to, and I want to know what they're doing.

 

[Huey Grey]

Still don't care, dude. We shouldn't have any enemies, and the only reason we do is because both Republicans and Democrats wage war on anyone who just doesn't give us what we want, or tries to defy the western banking system. We shouldn't even need an NSA, and I don't trust an organization that illegally spies on its own citizens. So, support it all the way, comrade. I choose not to, and I want to know what they're doing.

Not to be a dick about this, but if you think that we should hold national security meetings in public under this misguided notion that the US shouldn't have enemies only proves that you are out of your depth in these discussions.

And to further prove how little you understand what you say, it is also a stance completely contrary to Trump's entire vision of America First. Trump has based this vision on the idea that there are many enemies to the US, both financially and militarily.

So it really shoots a cannon ball into the side of your argument that Trump isn't putting us under a precarious pathway when you simultaneously argue that he is doing a decent job, but then conveniently forget that Trump has invented countless enemies which is an idea you apparently abhor.

It's getting really hard to give you the benefit of the doubt that you understand much of anything of what after such poorly thought out arguments.

 

[DogBoyRy]

From The Guardian (UK):

The UK government was given details last December of allegedly extensive contacts between the Trump campaign and Moscow, according to court papers.

…

The December memo alleged that four Trump representatives travelled to Prague in August or September in 2016 for “secret discussions with Kremlin representatives and associated operators/hackers”, about how to pay hackers secretly for penetrating Democratic party computer systems and “contingency plans for covering up operations”.

Between March and September, the December memo alleges, the hackers used botnets and porn traffic to transmit viruses, plant bugs and steal data online from Democratic party leadership. Two of the hackers had been “recruited under duress by the FSB” the memo said. The hackers were paid by the Trump organisation, but were under the control of Vladimir Putin’s presidential administration.

(my bold)

www.theguardian.com/…

This information comes from a second, less known-about dossier submitted by the former MI6 agent Christopher Steele. As we are now aware, his first dossier was so reliable that the FBI are using it as a sort of road map to their investigation.

For the record, it doesn’t get much more collusive than Trump’s literally paying for the Russian hacking. Follow the money!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657181/-Steele-Dossier-2-Trump-Org-Paid-the-Russian-Hackers

Thanks ciggy.
More overwhelming evidence.
The money transfers, photos, deposits, sworn tesimonies/ interviews, etc, etc.
Couldnt possibly be dnc losers giving them bshiy.

 

[Boris_Badenov]

Not to be a dick about this, but if ypu think that we should hold national security meetings in public under this misguided notion that the US shouldn't have enemies only proves that you are out of your depth in these discussions.

And to further prove how little you understand what you say, it is also a stance completely contrary to Trump's entire vision of America First. Trump has based this vision on the idea that there are many enemies to the US, both financially and militarily.

So it really shoots a cannon ball into the side of your argument that Trump isn't putting us under a precarious pathway when you simultaneously argue that he is doing a decent job, bit then conveniently forget that Trump has invented countless enemies which is an idea yiu apparently abhor.

It's getting really hard to give you the benefit of the doubt you understand much of anything of what is actually happening in reality when you make such contrary arguments.

First of all, what proof do you even have that this happened? Did it happen once? Is it happening every day? I don't care either way, but you're trying to make it sound like Trump is giving away all of our secrets, and I'm going to need to see some proof of this.

 

[Huey Grey]

First of all, what proof do you even have that this happened? Did it happen once? Is it happening every day? I don't care either way, but you're trying to make it sound like Trump is giving away all of our secrets, and I'm going to need to see some proof of this.

It was a well known story posted on here abundantly. During Trump's first weeks, he held national security meetings in the open public spaces of his resort in Florida.

You certainly won't believe me, so look it up yourself.

 

[Boris_Badenov]

It was a well known story posted on here abundantly. During Trump's first weeks, he held national security meetings in the open public spaces of his resort in Florida.

You certainly won't believe me, so look it up yourself.

I wasn't on this board at that time. You're also right, I don't believe you, which is why I asked for proof. I've been constantly asked for proof since I've gotten here, and I've been happy to oblige because I knew I was right. Now it's your turn to back this up. I have a feeling that at best your comment is an exaggeration, and at worst it is an outright lie.

Edit: Regardless, I think we can put to rest your accusation that I don't question anything Trump does. Just because I don't agree with every single thing a never-Trumper believes, doesn't mean that I'm pro-everything Trump does.

 

[joelbc1]

Fake news

LOL

 

[Huey Grey]

I wasn't on this board at that time. You're also right, I don't believe you, which is why I asked for proof. I've been constantly asked for proof since I've gotten here, and I've been happy to oblige because I knew I was right. Now it's your turn to back this up. I have a feeling that at best your comment is an exaggeration, and at worst it is an outright lie.

Here you go, dude. Mar a Lago guests even took pictures of it happening.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/13/trum...-club--and-a-paying-member-posted-photos.html

 

[ottumwan in tx]

so if he holds his meetings in public, we all know what his next move is with NK, right?

 

[Boris_Badenov]

Here you go, dude. Mar a Lago guests even took pictures of it happening.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/13/trum...-club--and-a-paying-member-posted-photos.html

So, someone saw him talking to the Japanese Prime Minister after North Korea launched a rocket? That's it?

I did especially like the part where a witness claimed, "saying in one caption that he saw the president "receiving the news about the missile incident" with Abe sitting next to him."

So, he couldn't hear what was discussed, he couldn't read anything they were given, but he knows for sure what it was all about? I'm just supposed to trust the guy? It's amazing that you guys can totally ignore actual physical emails, but something like this is obviously the truth.

Edit: Yeah, I absolutely positively couldn't even give the slightest eff about this. However, if you want to worry yourself about it, go right ahead. Enjoy the high blood pressure.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Here you go, dude. Mar a Lago guests even took pictures of it happening.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/13/trum...-club--and-a-paying-member-posted-photos.html

Why do you engage these morons? Serious question. Why? They bring nothing but stupidity to any discussion.