Steve Prohm?
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Only speculation...but I hope they keep him. I think he has been pretty good for the Hawkeyes (other than losing one big instate recruit to them).
He's a great coach! He just needs a little more talent and he will be fine at ISU!
Iowa State would owe Prohm a buyout of approximately $5 million if his contract were terminated this offseason. It would come at a time when the athletic department budget is under stress due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
They have a 6'0 point guard signed who's a 4-star. He's rated in the Top 50.
Id be surprised if prohm goes anywhere. If they have that high of a recruit signed, plus foster coming back from injury, plus adding in the $5mil buyout...i think they will let it ride another year
They're going to need a lot more than a decent pg recruit and the Xavier Foster project to turn things around. They weren't any good last season with a lottery pick pg. Their last two recruiting classes were busts.
Oh I don’t disagree. I just don’t think he will be gone after this season. And those were 3 reasons why i dont think he will. I mean, foster was a highly sought after recruit that showed pretty good promise in the limited games he played before being hurt. And when you have a top 50recruit signed it would be tough to jeopardize losing that kind of talent. But like you said, pretty doubtful it is enough to turn the program around.
So if they wait a year is the buyout really that different? I assume it would drop from $5m to $4m or so in a year so I’m not sure that really makes that much difference. Although maybe the overall financial picture for the university would be a lot better in a year, assuming we can have full stadiums for football next year.
I guess we could ask the clone fans here, but they seem to be pretty scarce lately for some reason....
There are their 2 commits coming in next season:
Then they lose those guys plus whoever decides to transfer. They have had a lot of attrition the last couple years so I would expect at least a couple transfers whether Prohm is let go or retained.
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I know some schools will pull the trigger, but I have to think that with budget crunches from COVID that there will be many schools giving coaches an extra year.
Prohm isn't a bad coach if you look at his record from his previous school. But something has happened in Ames this year that is unbelievable. They've been reasonably close in several games against top competition but can't complete the win. Three games left on the schedule, two against top 20 teams and at KSU. Doesn't bode well for avoiding a winless conference season.
Do you just take this season and throw it out the window? Prohm's record at ISU is 3 decent/good years, 2 bad years, and this monstrosity. He is trending in the wrong direction but I guess there is only one way to go from here. Question is, if he's gone who would they get to come in? I guess if fewer schools fire coaches this season because of COVID budget issues, it means less competition for hiring a coach. So maybe they take a shot at it.
Prohm isn't a bad coach if you look at his record from his previous school. But something has happened in Ames this year that is unbelievable. They've been reasonably close in several games against top competition but can't complete the win. Three games left on the schedule, two against top 20 teams and at KSU. Doesn't bode well for avoiding a winless conference season.
Do you just take this season and throw it out the window? Prohm's record at ISU is 3 decent/good years, 2 bad years, and this monstrosity. He is trending in the wrong direction but I guess there is only one way to go from here. Question is, if he's gone who would they get to come in? I guess if fewer schools fire coaches this season because of COVID budget issues, it means less competition for hiring a coach. So maybe they take a shot at it.
They’d have to be fools to fire a coach that just beat the University of Arkansas Pine Bluffs just a few months ago.
I hope they keep him for a long time and have a half full crowd pissed that there’s no “magic”. I’m some ways bringing Prohm back generates zero excitement which is a great thing in my view... ISU basketball just rots for at least one more year as their fans lose interest in hoops?
doesn’t matter though since ISU declares itself a “football school” now, although I swear just 5 years ago they insisted they were a basketball school?
doesn’t matter though since ISU declares itself a “football school” now, although I swear just 5 years ago they insisted they were a basketball school?
ISU is the defending Big 12 Tournament champs. I cannot see a school firing a coach one year removed from that.
I didn’t post this to troll. However, it is concerning for a coach who has 3 out 4 bottom finishes in the conference without Fred’s guys. His recruiting class with THT was solid but they have lost a lot of guys to the pros and haven’t had much stability like Iowa has had or ISU with Fred when both programs utilized solid 4 year players as their base roster construction. He has had plenty of misses with high school kids Lewis, Anderson, Leach, Griffen, Grill,etc which has hurt.
My personal opinion is that he can attract talent, but can he develop it? I don’t think he’s a great game coach and is strong with the x and o’s. If you watch the games it’s all dribble drive kicks outs, high ball screen.
My personal opinion is that he can attract talent, but can he develop it? I don’t think he’s a great game coach and is strong with the x and o’s. If you watch the games it’s all dribble drive kicks outs, high ball screen.
I'm wondering if the talent he gets is largely overinflated by the Rivals and 247 scouts.
Zion Griffin was a 4 star but is now averaging 7 ppg at 9-13 UIC in the Horizon League.
Jakolby Long was a 4 star who did nothing at his 2 mid major stops.
Luke Anderson averaged 2 ppg at USF.
It's hard to blame coaching when those guys sucked against lower level competition too.
ISU's scouting must suck. Tre Jackson is the only 2019 recruit remaining and he may be gone soon with this new pg coming in. Blackwell and Dubar don't look like much more than career role players. Dubar's ceiling might be Melsahn Basabe, and that's generous. Blackwell likely doesn't last there.
They were a play or two away from beating Oklahoma and getting in to the playoff, for God's sake.
Aren't they still trying to pump that well?
They lost in the Wednesday night play in game last year then the tournament was cancelled on Thursday due to covid. They won it two years ago.
Who is the defending Big 12 tourney champion if it isnt ISU?
They need to keep Prohm. No way you fire a coach that is the defending conference tourney champion.
That was the last completed B12 tournament thus their claim...
Oh, the Clowns are pumping all kinds of wells.
Did you know, according to them, that we lost to them last season in football?
Did you know that they were claiming BOTH a 2020 AND 2021 Big 12 Football Championship?
You can't make this sheet up.
Check it out:
It really is amazing, even Lick's teams stumbled their way into a couple conference wins each year.
It will drop 1.25 million this year to next year.
The question is basically, do you lose 1.25 million dollars in ticket sales next year by retaining him. I think that's pretty evidently true but I can't say for sure.
going 0 for conference play is also pretty unusual. If you are a power conference coach and you don't win a single game in the league in a given year, you shouldn't really complain if you are fired. Will they fire him? I know there are reasons why they wouldn't.
I am sort of in the middle with Prom leaning to he is not going to turn it around. But, IMO he will get another year.
Appears to be a mix of
a) the really good players he gets don't stick around (it's a good problem to have when they are good enough to go pro).
b) not enough of the really good players. As you outlined, there are a lot of guys who haven't been good.
Prohm is in that area where he has recruited well enough in some instances where he gets some really good players (who end up leaving early) but not so well like the Dukes and Kansases of the world where they have a never-ending string of really good talents to replace a THT or Halliburton. The "other" players seem to be either not very good or not interested in staying at ISU through to graduation, or both. So he ends up with a carousel of teams with some individual pieces who are good but nowhere close to having a good team.
He's getting paid a lot of money to figure it out, so don't really feel sorry for him. If he has another terrible season, he'll be canned.
That’s the way it seems to me as well. I feel like you could easily make the case that the long-term financial impact to the program of one more year with a lame duck coach and fan apathy is greater than $1.25m. Reading their boards, it reminds me a lot of how I felt in the Lickliter years, they’ve moved through all of the stages of grief and are now at total apathy, don’t even watch the games anymore, no longer get upset when they lose, etc. They need a new coach to help them get mad again.
Yep. You don't want to factor the new coach's salary in as you are paying a coach a salary no matter who it is.
But ISU would have to pay Prohm's buyout and the buyout of whatever coach they are hiring, most likely.
Yeah, it’s kind of hard to keep track...sort of like deciding between changing their name to Moo U or Tractor Tech?
They are in a tough spot. All the ISU message board warriors are spending the money of others. The unemployed idiots on CF have “sources” that donors are going to step up. Same donors that allowed Rhoads and Jackson extra years cause wouldn’t do buyouts? ISU put their eggs in the basket for Campbell which will be a yearly occurrence until he leaves. So now I hear donors will do buyouts for Prohm. Maybe they will but they were wealthy through the years and now all of a sudden they step up?’ If Pollard stopped giving extensions maybe it would be easier to fire crap coaches.
ISU had a "weed" culture before Prohm. He came in and apparently tried to clean it up but the players weren't on board. He lost the talent as they realized that the coach wasn't cool with smoking, and now he's left with the dregs. It's not going to get much if any better in Ames.
Yes and if the entire remainder of the people on earth besides clone fans were to disappear they would be crowing to each other that they were world champions of everything.
Friggin idiots.
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