Stock Market Today: Dow down almost 800 points, S&P 500, Nasdaq tumble after Trump refuses to rule out recession

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Wage growth has been higher than inflation for the past 2 years. Wage growth compounds just as inflation does.

To get you started, wage growth in March 2023 was 6.1%. Inflation was 4.98%. The rest is in the links. It will do you good to study some on your own. Not that I think it will do you any good.

https://www.multpl.com/inflation/table/by-month

https://www.atlantafed.org/chcs/wage-growth-tracker

Compounding Riley. It never caught up to the beginning.


I'll present this another way, inflation started ramping up under Trump, would you like to argue wages grew with inflation under Trump or do you acknowledge wages were behind and now want to discuss "compounding"?

 

[RileyHawk]

Compounding Riley. It never caught up to the beginning.

Wage growth is typically compounding over time because increases are applied to the new, higher wage level each year. This means that if wages grow at a consistent annual rate, the effect accumulates rather than resetting each year.

How Wage Growth Compounds:​

If wages increase by a certain percentage annually, the new wage base for the next increase includes the previous increase. For example:

• Starting salary: $50,000
• Year 1 (5% increase): $50,000 × 1.05 = $52,500
• Year 2 (5% increase): $52,500 × 1.05 = $55,125
• Year 3 (5% increase): $55,125 × 1.05 = $57,881

Instead of adding a fixed amount each year, the growth compounds, leading to a higher overall increase than simple (non-compounded) growth.

You're a moron.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Wage growth is typically compounding over time because increases are applied to the new, higher wage level each year. This means that if wages grow at a consistent annual rate, the effect accumulates rather than resetting each year.

How Wage Growth Compounds:​

If wages increase by a certain percentage annually, the new wage base for the next increase includes the previous increase. For example:

• Starting salary: $50,000
• Year 1 (5% increase): $50,000 × 1.05 = $52,500
• Year 2 (5% increase): $52,500 × 1.05 = $55,125
• Year 3 (5% increase): $55,125 × 1.05 = $57,881

Instead of adding a fixed amount each year, the growth compounds, leading to a higher overall increase than simple (non-compounded) growth.

You're a moron.

So you are of the belief that wages heald serve with i flation during trump1.



See how that works?

 

[RileyHawk]

So you are of the belief that wages heald serve with i flation during trump1.



See how that works?

The time frame is the past two years. Your nonsense abut the Covid money running out established that.

No matter how you try to spin it, it doesn't work. You're still a moron.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

The time frame is the past two years. Your nonsense abut the Covid money running out established that.

No matter how you try to spin it, it doesn't work. You're still a moron.

Who made that time frame? You?

Like I said, feel free to show credit debt over the last 4 years.

 

[RileyHawk]

Who made that time frame? You?

You did. You're the one talking about Covid money running out.

Here's the post and your direct response to it.

The covid money glut ran out 2 years ago wacko yet the economy was growing great under the Dems and Biden and the soft landing was working, sure you can lower inflation fast if you want but you might get a depression or worse.

Biden and the Fed Reserve brought that inflation down slowly and the economy went up and up and real wages increases were beating inflation over the last four years

Real wages were not beating inflation. They never made the ground up from year 1 and then inflation compounds.

Look at debt. It wasn't just the covid money, that was my.example to trumps failures. There was much more.

Not that it is pertinent in any way other than to show how ignorant you are - wages outpaced inflation during Trump's first administration as well. The links provided will show that.

You're a moron.

 

[RileyHawk]

Who made that time frame? You?

Like I said, feel free to show credit debt over the last 4 years.

As I said before, do your own homework.

I'm bored with flogging you. I'll leave it to others to take their turn.

You're a moron.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

You did. You're the one talking about Covid money running out.

Here's the post and your direct response to it.





Not that it is pertinent in any way other than to show how ignorant you are - wages outpaced inflation during Trump's first administration as well. The links provided will show that.

You're a moron.

See that part about "look at debt" growing.



You can't always choose the path of stupid.


Riley the only way you can say wages have kept up with inflation is to say that trumps time kept up with it, which it did not, and then you have to start compounding.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Who the hell knows... but overdue correction + Trump incompetency...

This guy is really negative, says -25% when all said and done

 

[GHawk77]

The following is a link to a chart showing the Fed Funds Rate vs. S&P 500.

Fed Funds Rate vs S&P 500

Looking at the last 6 Fed pivots, shortly after the S&P 500 has a major drop (-27% to -58%) and this is followed by a recession.

What happened in late September of 2024? The Fed lowered the Funds Rate by 0.5%. They made the pivot. Going by the history on the charts, what do you expect to happen? The S&P is heading down shortly thereafter as history shows.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

That would be a major depression.

Not necessarily. I think the stock market dropped by that much during the "Great Recession" and possibly after the Dot-Com bubble collapse.

 

[OrlandNole]

Not necessarily. I think the stock market dropped by that much during the "Great Recession" and possibly after the Dot-Com bubble collapse.

The DJIA and S&P declined 18% and 20% over a five day period in October 2008. It didn't fully recover until 2013.

I remember when that happened and it had a lot of people rethinking their retirement plans. There was a poster on TOS whose advisors had him pull all of his equity investments around the bottom. What a stupid move.

 

[ericram]

The DJIA and S&P declined 18% and 20% over a five day period in October 2008. It didn't fully recover until 2013.

I remember when that happened and it had a lot of people rethinking their retirement plans. There was a poster on TOS whose advisors had him pull all of his equity investments around the bottom. What a stupid move.

I saw this coming. Told my financial planner to go conservative. He was surprised as he is all in on finding ways to make more money. He did so and then called me to tell me thank you. I don't know all the ins and outs of how all this stock market works, but I do know instability and unnecessary changes when I see them. Good luck friends. I am 15 years to retirement and definitely don't want a situation like 2008.

 

[TC Nole OX]

 

[NorthEndzoneCrew]

Futures bouncing red right before open….could be an interesting day. Approaching 40k on Dow, I would think there may be some support around there?

I was originally thinking of starting to slowly buy back in there but will admit I’m more cautious at this point. Though I do personally believe the bottom could be 20-30% from the high.

 

[TC Nole OX]

 

[THE_DEVIL]

 

[tumorboy]

Is Trump attempting a Bre-exit with the world?

 

[noleclone2]

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Better than slow Joe. SP 500 was only up 55% his 4 years. Suck it libs, and accept your ownage by MAGA.

https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/20250119180/a-final-look-at-how-the-us-stock-market-performed-under-joe-biden

 

[lucas80]

Grandpa just tweeted out that he'll jack up tariffs to 50 percent on steel and aluminum from Canada tomorrow.
That doesn't seem very stable to get emotional and tweet out foreign policy

 

[lucas80]

Meanwhile at Tesla

Not sure you saw, Bro, but Sean Hannity and Donald Trump both said within the last 24 hours they are buying Teslas.
That should keep turn things around pretty quickly.

 

[Joes Place]

This'll Help!!!

Trump says he will raise tariffs on Canada metals to 50%

President Donald Trump said on Tuesday he has instructed his commerce secretary to add an additional 25% tariff on all steel and aluminum coming into the United States from Canada, bringing the total tariff on those products to 50%.

finance.yahoo.com

 

[Mister_Man]

This'll Help!!!

Trump says he will raise tariffs on Canada metals to 50%

President Donald Trump said on Tuesday he has instructed his commerce secretary to add an additional 25% tariff on all steel and aluminum coming into the United States from Canada, bringing the total tariff on those products to 50%.

finance.yahoo.com

We have a president ready to cut off an arm or leg in spite. Because Canada is not bending the knee. And guess what, he or Elon will not suffer once bit. Whoever at the CIA has the heart attack/stroke causing body rub compound needs to be deployed.

 

[noleclone2]

Not sure you saw, Bro, but Sean Hannity and Donald Trump both said within the last 24 hours they are buying Teslas.
That should keep turn things around pretty quickly.

I would like to see Cheeto Jesus driving a Tesla. It would be comedic gold.

 

[noleclone2]

Grandpa just tweeted out that he'll jack up tariffs to 50 percent on steel and aluminum from Canada tomorrow.
That doesn't seem very stable to get emotional and tweet out foreign policy

The flames are burning strong. I am fairly certain Grandpa’s “children” in the Senate and Congress are quickly coming to the hard fact that they may have to take his keys away to avoid a catastrophic crash into a tree.

 

[IChawkeye45]

The Trump Slump continues…. What a joke this has become.

 

[BioHawk]

With investors dumping Tesla stock, Trump has decided to come to the rescue and has offered to buy Tesla. Because that's what the President of the United States should be doing, buying companies.

At any rate, if you were on the fence about dumping Tesla stock before you should be frantically selling it as quickly as possible now. Everything Trump touches dies and it will just be another notch on his Belt of Bankruptcies for him.

 

[runkpanole]

This'll Help!!!

Trump says he will raise tariffs on Canada metals to 50%

President Donald Trump said on Tuesday he has instructed his commerce secretary to add an additional 25% tariff on all steel and aluminum coming into the United States from Canada, bringing the total tariff on those products to 50%.

finance.yahoo.com

JFC

 

[noleclone2]

With investors dumping Tesla stock, Trump has decided to come to the rescue and has offered to buy Tesla. Because that's what the President of the United States should be doing, buying companies.

At any rate, if you were on the fence about dumping Tesla stock before you should be frantically selling it as quickly as possible now. Everything Trump touches dies and it will just be another notch on his Belt of Bankruptcies for him.

Elon has been trying to act like he has no ****s given about all this but Trump saying this tells you he is indeed curled up in fetal position in a bathtub somewhere

 

[dgordo]

 

[lucas80]

Big conference coming up with CEOs. Very Trumpian thing to do in a crisis. Get a bunch of props in front of TV cameras, have an official looking meeting in which guys in snazzy suits say big words, then Trump declares everything is fine.

 

[IChawkeye45]

Can a Trumper come here and tell me everything is going to be all right, while the American economy continues to crumble?!?

 

[runkpanole]

Can a Trumper come here and tell me everything is going to be all right, while the American economy continues to crumble?!?

This thread is now 7 pages long and filled with whiskey dick and northern telling you that the last month is just a blip. It’s about what you expect from a party happy with a 40% “success” rate.

 

[BioHawk]

We're pushing down 700 points today. That's like, down 1500 points in two days. More winning!

 

[DFSNOLE]

We're pushing down 700 points today. That's like, down 1500 points in two days. More winning!

Most of the time, the fluctuations in the markets have little to do with the president. This time, however, is different. This can and should be laid directly at the feet of Trump.

 

[NorthEndzoneCrew]

Down….down….down in a burning ring of fire.

I’m now thinking I may plan to start buying back at like 38,000. Who knows where the bottom is but that would be a pretty dang good deal to buy back in long term based on where I cashed out.

 

[BioHawk]

Most of the time, the fluctuations in the markets have little to do with the president. This time, however, is different. This can and should be laid directly at the feet of Trump.

Policies will affect the stock market, but those usually take some time to show up in the market. Unless the President declares open warfare on the stock market like Trump has. Then it happens quickly. Vlad's orders are clearer this time.

 

[desihawk]

there's a shitload of cash apparently on the sidelines...so any bloodbath will likely be shortlived and we'll be off to the races...again like in the previous times

Dow Jones (DJIA), S&P 500 Under Pressure as Record Cash Levels Suggest More Downside Ahead - MarketPulse

Dow, S&P 500 under pressure but record cash signals downside risk. Trade war fears & market volatility persist. What next?

www.marketpulse.com

 

[tumorboy]

Down….down….down in a burning ring of fire.

I’m now thinking I may plan to start buying back at like 38,000. Who knows where the bottom is but that would be a pretty dang good deal to buy back in long term based on where I cashed out.

Mid 30’s is still where I think things bottom out.

 

[desihawk]

Down….down….down in a burning ring of fire.

I’m now thinking I may plan to start buying back at like 38,000. Who knows where the bottom is but that would be a pretty dang good deal to buy back in long term based on where I cashed out.

38k would still be over the 52 week low...does it make sense to expect that to hold with a slightly contracted gdp?