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Nope . . . they're Lucifarians (sp). It's not a political or money thing because they're beyond money. Read up on Pike, the Free Mason at the time of the first Rothchild (Mayor I think).
So many theories. I thought it was godless commies, now they are Satan worshiping Satanists? (You wouldn't think you would have to spell out if a Satanist worships Satan, but you really do).
 
I honestly thought I had heard the opposite in these lunatic NWO rants. That they are all crony capitalists dividing up the world amongst the 1% and only wanting enough surplus population to do their bidding. Why would they want to keep around billions of people and then try to provide for their needs? Easier to just kill us off I think.

Usually leaders go communist when they don't have the wealth or military on their side. Wealth, military and people being the sources of political power. I thought OiT's vision assumed the NWO controlled the wealth and military and was actively bypassing the people to install elements as they saw fit, the people be damned. If the organization is willing to bypass the people, why take care of them? It makes no sense to pay for a thing you can just take for free.
BTW, the craziest thing is the depopulation idea (Georgia Guidestones). First, that was the chemtrail intent - killing us off. Which is self-evident that it can't be what "they" are doing because, well, population is growing. So it's (chemtrails) become a geoengineering thing to push climate change.

How the ufck hard would it really be to decrease population? Seriously? How fortunate have we been to not see a naturally occurring plague or an engineered virus for which a drug company conveniently has the cure? Shit, why wouldn't that just poison water? Give ISIS a dirty bomb and set off nuclear war. Why the hell didn't "they" do it 40 years ago when there was half the population there is today? These conspiracies just don't match reality.
 
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How does that work? How can a group both be godless and focused on a supernatural deity.
you see, the devil and or satan or Lucifer is the fake light, god is the real light. the ying and the yang. they are , the commies, the illuminati, the leftists, all focused on the same entity which is the fake light. the right, or correct, or the good, is focused upon the real light. the light and the way. now, it is possible that this correct way is a ufo light. or an alien. maybe. or God. but it's right. you know it's right when it's right. I've seen it before. the atheists focus on the state, or they are statists. generally.
 
And you think Russia is communist now?
yep. the whole new world order is. Obama . the regions. the 10 or 11 regions of the new world order. by definition communist. not like the old world ww2 commie, the new world. the one world government. it's a commie form of ruling the world. Obama is one of them.
 
yep. the whole new world order is. Obama . the regions. the 10 or 11 regions of the new world order. by definition communist. not like the old world ww2 commie, the new world. the one world government. it's a commie form of ruling the world. Obama is one of them.
OiT, I have zero reservation there are powerful elements incentivizing global economics and politics to move in a certain direction. I'm also confident people have peers/peer groups. Powerful people have powerful peers. For example, If you look at corporate boards there are people on software companies that run drug companies and banks etc. It's kind of unethical, and it kind of makes sense to make friends in high places. Frankly, its a "nothing to see here" issue. One would expect consortiums to form out of human ambition.

Conspiracies are for people that feel powerless and project those fears on influential groups that are doing things . . . that one would expect them to do . . . The problem is, you assign their intent. Fact is, they may have a concern about overpopulation, who knows. But, what they are doing about it may be to our good fortune because the movement for resources has to be bold to get anything done. I could go on; my point is that you think you're uncovering things that most people understand are just part of life and adding an element of paranoia.
 
you see, the devil and or satan or Lucifer is the fake light, god is the real light. the ying and the yang. they are , the commies, the illuminati, the leftists, all focused on the same entity which is the fake light. the right, or correct, or the good, is focused upon the real light. the light and the way. now, it is possible that this correct way is a ufo light. or an alien. maybe. or God. but it's right. you know it's right when it's right. I've seen it before. the atheists focus on the state, or they are statists. generally.
You use vocabulary in such fluid ways its difficult to decipher your meaning. But if you view the godhead as ET's, then you are as atheist as I am and so I guess by your definition a statist commie. If you grant the NWO folks are worshiping some supernatural spiritual deity, then they are people of faith and thus by your argument are in capable of being commie statists.
 
yep. the whole new world order is. Obama . the regions. the 10 or 11 regions of the new world order. by definition communist. not like the old world ww2 commie, the new world. the one world government. it's a commie form of ruling the world. Obama is one of them.
So you don't know what communism is. I invite you to look it up, it's characterized by some pretty specific conditions that are not present in modern Russia today.
 
All these polls are hot garbage right now if you're trying to predict the actual election results. The sampling error is at a point where the data is essentially meaningless.

I dated a girl getting her PhD in Political Science, with a huge emphasis on polling. It was difficult to keep from telling her I thought her entire field was full of terrible people making money off of suspicious data.
 
I dated a girl getting her PhD in Political Science, with a huge emphasis on polling. It was difficult to keep from telling her I thought her entire field was full of terrible people making money off of suspicious data.
. . . well . . . did she like huge polls?
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Sorry, with the Tallywacker thread I had Punic on the mind.
Oh isht, where's the tallywacker thread, I'm ready . . . I just measured. Or is this like 7 steps to Kevin Bacon and you went from Tallahasee to Carthage.
 
Oh isht, where's the tallywacker thread, I'm ready . . . I just measured. Or is this like 7 steps to Kevin Bacon and you went from Tallahasee to Carthage.
https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/finally-a-restaurant-for-our-flamboyant-posters.75200/

It's sort of 7 steps. Tallywacker went to hair, which triggered pubic which went to Punic when Latin brought up Rome. We were very close to having an African centric Western civilization. You know what stopped it? The Capitalists cheaped out while the statists spent like no tomorrow.
 
So many theories. I thought it was godless commies, now they are Satan worshiping Satanists? (You wouldn't think you would have to spell out if a Satanist worships Satan, but you really do).
Luciferians and satanists-

Differences
From the Luciferian viewpoint, Satanists are primarily focused on the physical nature of man, exploring, experimenting and enjoying that nature while rejecting endeavors to rise beyond it. Satan is an emblem of carnality and materiality. Luciferians view Lucifer as a spiritual and enlightened being. And while Luciferians do embrace the enjoyment of one's life, they accept that there are greater and more spiritual goals to be had.
Many do see Satan and Lucifer as being different aspects of the same being, the carnal, rebellious and material Satan vs. the enlightened and spiritual Lucifer.

Luciferians also commonly see Satanists as overly-dependent upon Christian understandings, embracing things like pleasure, success and sexuality precisely because the Church as traditionally condemned such things.

Luciferians do not see their acts as rebellion, but rather are motivated by their own merits.

Luciferians put more emphasis on the balance of light and dark.

Similarities
Satanism and Luciferianism are both highly individualized religions. There is no single set of beliefs, rules or dogmas for either group. However, some generalities can be made. In general, both Satanists and Luciferians:
  • Talk about human beings as gods, having mastery of the planet. If they believe in a literal Lucifer, they pay him respect rather than worship, acknowledging he has many things to teach rather than finding themselves subservient to him.
  • Have sets of ethics, which include showing respect to those who deserve and leaving people alone who have caused no grief.
  • Support creativity, excellence, success, freedom, individuality and enjoyment.
  • Reject dogmatic religion
  • Are particularly antagonistic toward Christianity, although not to Christians. Christians are often viewed as victims of their own religion and being too dependent to escape it.
Neither Satanists nor Luciferians view Satan or Lucifer as Christians do. They accept that worshiping a being of true evil is the action of a psychopath.
 
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Luciferians and satanists-

Differences
From the Luciferian viewpoint, Satanists are primarily focused on the physical nature of man, exploring, experimenting and enjoying that nature while rejecting endeavors to rise beyond it. Satan is an emblem of carnality and materiality. Luciferians view Lucifer as a spiritual and enlightened being. And while Luciferians do embrace the enjoyment of one's life, they accept that there are greater and more spiritual goals to be had.
Many do see Satan and Lucifer as being different aspects of the same being, the carnal, rebellious and material Satan vs. the enlightened and spiritual Lucifer.

Luciferians also commonly see Satanists as overly-dependent upon Christian understandings, embracing things like pleasure, success and sexuality precisely because the Church as traditionally condemned such things.

Luciferians do not see their acts as rebellion, but rather are motivated by their own merits.

Luciferians put more emphasis on the balance of light and dark.

Similarities
Satanism and Luciferianism are both highly individualized religions. There is no single set of beliefs, rules or dogmas for either group. However, some generalities can be made. In general, both Satanists and Luciferians:
  • Talk about human beings as gods, having mastery of the planet. If they believe in a literal Lucifer, they pay him respect rather than worship, acknowledging he has many things to teach rather than finding themselves subservient to him.
  • Have sets of ethics, which include showing respect to those who deserve and leaving people alone who have caused no grief.
  • Support creativity, excellence, success, freedom, individuality and enjoyment.
  • Reject dogmatic religion
  • Are particularly antagonistic toward Christianity, although not to Christians. Christians are often viewed as victims of their own religion and being too dependent to escape it.
Neither Satanists nor Luciferians view Satan or Lucifer as Christians do. They accept that worshiping a being of true evil is the action of a psychopath.
Thank you Devil. Is it odd that when I see luciferian, I think of Bob Marley?
 
"Racist bigots"

Is that the only club you guys have in your bag now days?

Sorry you are tired of trying to defend a position that is wrong in just about every aspect. Support candidates that don't push racist policies or promote bigotry and you won't have to try and defend it. Believe it or not, there are GOP candidates in the primaries right now who aren't pushing racist policies or promoting bigotry (well, maybe not the bigotry one. Are there any GOP candidates who said they wouldn't get rid of marriage equality?) . They just happen to be running at about 1-5% support right now so it's pretty clear where the vast majority of GOP supporters are sitting right now.
 
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OiT, I have zero reservation there are powerful elements incentivizing global economics and politics to move in a certain direction. I'm also confident people have peers/peer groups. Powerful people have powerful peers. For example, If you look at corporate boards there are people on software companies that run drug companies and banks etc. It's kind of unethical, and it kind of makes sense to make friends in high places. Frankly, its a "nothing to see here" issue. One would expect consortiums to form out of human ambition.

Conspiracies are for people that feel powerless and project those fears on influential groups that are doing things . . . that one would expect them to do . . . The problem is, you assign their intent. Fact is, they may have a concern about overpopulation, who knows. But, what they are doing about it may be to our good fortune because the movement for resources has to be bold to get anything done. I could go on; my point is that you think you're uncovering things that most people understand are just part of life and adding an element of paranoia.
I don't think I'm uncovering anything, it's all out in the open. I think I point out the obvious. I assign their intent as being some new world order communism. that is also out in the open as well,. they assigned their intent. I think the folks who deny it are trying to cover it up because nobody would want to be communist. we used to fight commies.
 
I have a feeling that Trump initially ran for selfish reasons, as his is life track record. He ran to increase his "brand" name and get publicity and attention. he had no idea he would be leading this deep into the election.

I think he was serious from the start. He signed up the guy who got steve king elected in Iowa to head his campaign. If you can get a serious ass hat like King elected, you can get anyone elected in the gop.
 
I went to a comedy show that had 4 blacks and George Lopez at the Sprint Center. George Lopez had the entire audience ( maybe 8,000) saying F*ck Donald Trump several times to no resistance. The others bashed him as well to enthusiastic support. IOW, I think he's only getting a certain segment of R's in the end and that won't get him in office.

This is why I don't pay to go see comedians. I am far from a Trump fan, but I really don't want my entertainment to get all political. I went and saw George Carlin one time towards the end of this career. It was AWFUL and about 1/2 way through the show I left and got my money back. When you get political you are going to piss off or turn off half your audience.
 
I have a feeling that Trump initially ran for selfish reasons, as his is life track record. He ran to increase his "brand" name and get publicity and attention. he had no idea he would be leading this deep into the election.
Apparently he over-estimated the American public.
 
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This is why I don't pay to go see comedians. I am far from a Trump fan, but I really don't want my entertainment to get all political. I went and saw George Carlin one time towards the end of this career. It was AWFUL and about 1/2 way through the show I left and got my money back. When you get political you are going to piss off or turn off half your audience.
They know their audience. My wife and I were . . . the white people . . . and we were in a suite.
 
maybe I should assign it a new name Lawson? one that does not make people think of old world communism. I already coined the phrase, "new zion" for the kingdom or land. or region. maybe I should assign a phrase for the government. it is a new world type of thing. maybe "fiefdom of new zion".
 
Sorry you are tired of trying to defend a position that is wrong in just about every aspect. Support candidates that don't push racist policies or promote bigotry and you won't have to try and defend it. Believe it or not, there are GOP candidates in the primaries right now who aren't pushing racist policies or promoting bigotry (well, maybe not the bigotry one. Are there any GOP candidates who said they wouldn't get rid of marriage equality?) . They just happen to be running at about 1-5% support right now so it's pretty clear where the vast majority of GOP supporters are sitting right now.

Everybody is for marriage equality. Everyone has the right to marry whoever they like, as long as that person is of the opposite sex. It's exactly equal, there's no discrimination.
 
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Sorry you are tired of trying to defend a position that is wrong in just about every aspect. Support candidates that don't push racist policies or promote bigotry and you won't have to try and defend it. Believe it or not, there are GOP candidates in the primaries right now who aren't pushing racist policies or promoting bigotry (well, maybe not the bigotry one. Are there any GOP candidates who said they wouldn't get rid of marriage equality?) . They just happen to be running at about 1-5% support right now so it's pretty clear where the vast majority of GOP supporters are sitting right now.

What "racist" policies are being pushed?
 
I don't think I'm uncovering anything, it's all out in the open. I think I point out the obvious. I assign their intent as being some new world order communism. that is also out in the open as well,. they assigned their intent. I think the folks who deny it are trying to cover it up because nobody would want to be communist. we used to fight commies.
Nope. When you start throwing around who's being "installed" you're operating on a whole different plane of intent, paranoia, and assumption. Actually . . . the national conventions and media do their work to place the candidates they think have the best chance to win so let me check that and say your assumption that Perry would be installed was a paranoid assumption. There are certainly things you say that should on occasion give people pause, but you do it for everything for crapsakes. The BCS? you're paranoid.
 
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