Study: Polls underestimate support for TRUMP

[artradley]

Everybody is for marriage equality. Everyone has the right to marry whoever they like, as long as that person is of the opposite sex. It's exactly equal, there's no discrimination.

How does that differ from the same argument exchanging "sex" with "race"?

Or, how about this:
Sally is legally allowed to wed Bob.
Bill is not legally allowed to wed Bob.
Why? Because Sally is female and Bill is male.
That is discrimination based on gender.

Or,
Sally is heterosexual and is legally allowed to wed whomever she falls in love with
Jane is gay and is therefore is not legally allowed to wed whomever she falls in love with
Why? Because Jane is gay.
That is discrimination based on sexuality.

There is zero way to argue that there is no discrimination.

 

[The Tradition]

How does that differ from the same argument exchanging "sex" with "race"?

Or, how about this:
Sally is legally allowed to wed Bob.
Bill is not legally allowed to wed Bob.
Why? Because Sally is female and Bill is male.
That is discrimination based on gender.

Or,
Sally is heterosexual and is legally allowed to wed whomever she falls in love with
Jane is gay and is therefore is not legally allowed to wed whomever she falls in love with
Why? Because Jane is gay.
That is discrimination based on sexuality.

There is zero way to argue that there is no discrimination.

I guess you don't know what the word "discrimination" means.

For example, if you are discriminating between right and wrong, those on the "wrong" side might accuse you of discrimination. Who's really wrong? That's subjective and changes with the times.

However, if everyone can participate in an activity (like marriage) exactly the same way, there is absolutely no discrimination and the rule is absolutely equal.

 

[The Tradition]

I guess you don't know what the word "discrimination" means.

For example, if you are discriminating between right and wrong, those on the "wrong" side might accuse you of discrimination. Who's really wrong? That's subjective and changes with the times.

However, if everyone can participate in an activity (like marriage) exactly the same way, there is absolutely no discrimination and the rule is absolutely equal.

By the way, I am not opposed to gay marriage, but I am a little put off that this interpreted right is being regarded more highly than our enumerated rights.

 

[artradley]

I guess you don't know what the word "discrimination" means.

For example, if you are discriminating between right and wrong, those on the "wrong" side might accuse you of discrimination. Who's really wrong? That's subjective and changes with the times.

However, if everyone can participate in an activity (like marriage) exactly the same way, there is absolutely no discrimination and the rule is absolutely equal.

Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "exactly."

Again, substitute "race" and you have the same, faulty, argument.

 

[The Tradition]

Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "exactly."

Again, substitute "race" and you have the same, faulty, argument.

At the time, people thought mixed marriage was wrong. People don't think that anymore, but that doesn't make the people who felt that way back then automatically racist bigots. In fact, in order to be a racist, you have to believe that your race is superior to another. Not wanted mixed marriage doesn't really speak to that.

The concept of people marrying who they fall in love with is itself a very modern concept. Throughout human history, marriage was not something young people chose, and their spouses were chosen for them by their families.

 

[artradley]

At the time, people thought mixed marriage was wrong. People don't think that anymore, but that doesn't make the people who felt that way back then automatically racist bigots. In fact, in order to be a racist, you have to believe that your race is superior to another. Not wanted mixed marriage doesn't really speak to that.

But that does make the old marriage laws discriminatory.

 

[The Tradition]

But that does make the old marriage laws discriminatory.

No, it would only be discriminatory if one group was allowed to marry and another group was not. The rule itself was equally oppressive to all races, so it wasn't discriminatory.

 

[BioHawk]

What "racist" policies are being pushed?

Just listen to any one of Trump's campaign speeches and you'll get more than I can list here.

 

[BioHawk]

Everybody is for marriage equality. Everyone has the right to marry whoever they like, as long as that person is of the opposite sex. It's exactly equal, there's no discrimination.

This comment is so inane that I can't even dignify it with any kind of serious response.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Marriage is one man and one woman in the eyes of the Lord- What mankind does to bastardize this does nothing to change it.

 

[73chief]

I don't think it is your traditional GOPers that are causing this support of Trump. The Teapublicans certainly are not in his corner (what was once considered the racist element of the party by the left), the establishment isn't supporting him, and the libertarians are not supporting him.

Trump's support is coming from slight right leaning and straight up independents and THAT has to scare the shit out of both the republicans and democrats (but more so the democrats). If he finds a way to pull back and soften his tone on his Hispanic rhetoric, good night Irene, he will run away with this thing.

What the polls and the Washington political insiders and media taking heads are definitely underestimating is the level of pure disgust that a large portion of Americans have for everything Washington DC, and more importantly our ever growing elitist leadership in Washington DC. They are tired of being ruled instead of governed, and they are tired of a new self-appointed patrician order telling them what they should and should not be worried about. Trump is tapping into this disgust and it is real.

 

[73chief]

What "racist" policies are being pushed?

None. It is the classic political strategy that has been used by the progressive left for decades. The race card, or the use of the word "racist", is the modern day scarlet letter. If you support following current immigration laws, support protecting the US borders, or support defending and promoting United States sovereignty and rights afforded to legal US citizens by the Constitution, then in the eyes of the left you are a racist. They don't believe that the US is any better than any other country and they believe that the sovereignty of the international community takes precedence over the rights of US citizens granted by the US Constitution. They label someone "racist" in an attempt to shame them away from holding or promoting a certain position that they disagree with, but one that they cannot successfully argue in the court of public opinion using traditional intellectual methods. So in other words, it's the progressive left basically saying "if I can't win within the rules, I'm just going to take the ball home and stop playing". Pretty childish and intellectually dishonest but has been a very successful method in the past. The problem is that it's not working with Trump and it has the left all up in a tissy. Trump really does not care what you call him and he is calling the left's bluff. In fact it is even back firing on the left. Every time they try to pigeon hole him into being a racist, bigot, or what not, he actually jumps up in the polls. This is because the American people see this scarlet letter strategy for what it is, and they are no longer scared of it. This is the left's worst nightmare coming true.

 

[artradley]

None. It is the classic political strategy that has been used by the progressive left for decades. The race card, or the use of the word "racist", is the modern day scarlet letter. If you support following current immigration laws, support protecting the US borders, or support defending and promoting United States sovereignty and rights afforded to legal US citizens by the Constitution, then in the eyes of the left you are a racist. They don't believe that the US is any better than any other country and they believe that the sovereignty of the international community takes precedence over the rights of US citizens granted by the US Constitution. They label someone "racist" in an attempt to shame them away from holding or promoting a certain position that they disagree with, but one that they cannot successfully argue in the court of public opinion using traditional intellectual methods. So in other words, it's the progressive left basically saying "if I can't win within the rules, I'm just going to take the ball home and stop playing". Pretty childish and intellectually dishonest but has been a very successful method in the past. The problem is that it's not working with Trump and it has the left all up in a tissy. Trump really does not care what you call him and he is calling the left's bluff. In fact it is even back firing on the left. Every time they try to pigeon hole him into being a racist, bigot, or what not, he actually jumps up in the polls. This is because the American people see this scarlet letter strategy for what it is, and they are no longer scared of it. This is the left's worst nightmare coming true.

Voter ID laws are specifically designed to repress black votes. Because blacks tend to vote Democratic.

And don't get too big of a woody over Trump's standings in the polls; we're talking about just the GOP, so he's getting about 35% out of about 40% of the public. Most conservatives don't support Trump; in fact they actively dislike him. The feeling is even stronger among liberals and moderates.

 

[The Tradition]

Voter ID laws are specifically designed to repress black votes. Because blacks tend to vote Democratic.

No, they're specifically designed to ensure that you are who you say you are when attempting to register and/or vote. I know that Democrats just love dominating the dead person voting block, but honest people want to ensure only those with the right to vote are allowed to do so, and that people can only vote once, and can't impersonate other voters.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Voter ID laws are specifically designed to repress black votes. Because blacks tend to vote Democratic.

And don't get too big of a woody over Trump's standings in the polls; we're talking about just the GOP, so he's getting about 35% out of about 40% of the public. Most conservatives don't support Trump; in fact they actively dislike him. The feeling is even stronger among liberals and moderates.

umm, not really. the poor folks {black , Hispanic, white} had to get an id to get their government check cashed. right?

 

[artradley]

No, they're specifically designed to ensure that you are who you say you are when attempting to register and/or vote. I know that Democrats just love dominating the dead person voting block, but honest people want to ensure only those with the right to vote are allowed to do so, and that people can only vote once, and can't impersonate other voters.

Don't try to claim ID laws are supposed to stop the non-existent voter fraud in this country. It's insulting to me and embarrassing to you.

 

[The Tradition]

Don't try to claim ID laws are supposed to stop the non-existent voter fraud in this country. It's insulting to me and embarrassing to you.

Non-existing voter fraud = intentional liberal myth-mongering and diversion.

"There's no voter fraud! You people are racists!"

Rinse and repeat. It's the only play in your playbook.

 

[73chief]

the non-existent voter fraud in this country

You are as dumb as you sound. I'll have to look it up, but I believe there were at least 10 voter fraud convictions in the state of Iowa during the 2012 election. Acorn made their living off of exercising voter fraud. So continue to live in the neighborhood of make believe if you prefer. Just realize how ignorant you look doing it.

http://townhall.com/columnists/john..._show_voter_fraud_is_a_huge_problem/page/full

http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/22/from-sea-to-shining-sea-5-examples-of-voter-fraud-across-america/

 

[73chief]

Voter ID laws are specifically designed to repress black votes. Because blacks tend to vote Democratic.

And don't get too big of a woody over Trump's standings in the polls; we're talking about just the GOP, so he's getting about 35% out of about 40% of the public. Most conservatives don't support Trump; in fact they actively dislike him. The feeling is even stronger among liberals and moderates.

I'm simply pointing out to you that there is a paradigm change taking place right now in the US. There is disgust with the lack of leadership and fair governance coming out oF DC. There is also a real annoyance with the race hustling and political correctness that has taken over. Fair minded folks are tired of being labeled a racist because they support the enforcement of our current laws, and are tired of the demagoguery. Trump is tapping into that. Whether it ultimately is a formula for success remains to be seen. I know I have 2 clients that are life long democrats. They have never voted for a Republican. Textbook definitions of a couple of limousine liberals. They believe in white liberal guilt, voted for Obama twice, thought was the second coming of Jesus Christ and the smartest man in the history of the world. They now realize he has been a disaster and they are going to be voting for Trump. Certainly not a scientific poll, but an example of the paradigm shift that is taking place.

 

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