Not condoning the gambling but think NCAA was unreasonably harsh. That being said, can the wrestlers that lost their career now legally bet on anything? Would be nice if they were to get good info and have a nice windfall to go out with.
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Are they 100% toast or is there any legal action being taken? I am still unaware of what it is that they did wrong? maybe the NCAA has some BS rule, but unless it applies to ALL college students AND the punishments are clearly given. How in the world can this ever stand up?
It is a clear violation of the kids rights and overreach by the POS NCAA!
It is a clear violation of the kids rights and overreach by the POS NCAA!
As long as they didn’t break any laws, of course. Why couldn’t they?
Staring to think I voted wrong in the poll. Yeesh.
You talk like it’s a legal issue. It’s not.
Iowa reported violations to the NCAA and they issued punishments.
Violations of what? The wrestlers rights is all I see violated!!! The rule is complete B*LLSH*T!!!! the kids did nothing wrong according to OUR LAWS!!! The NCAA may believe it is GOD, but it is not!
If every other college kid can bet? then why can't they. What about kids in the band, can they bet? What if I am in a math club, on a robotics team etc.... Can I bet?
If I go to a SB party and they have $10 boxes, can I buy one? Can I buy a lotto ticket, or scratch off SOLD BY OUR GOVERNMENT!!!! I mean I really do not understand what kind of HORSE SH*T this is!?!?!?
AND how the F do they lose a year!?!?!? Kids do much worse in my opinion and do not lose a year? Where in hell does this come from??? I mean Kennedy was some how involved, but he got less time? So it makes a difference if someone bet one time as opposed to 2 times, 3 times???
What if I bet $10 ten times and $100 one time? What if I bet on ten games one day, or 1 game ten different time? If I am caught having a beer at dinner, is that the same as being plastered at a keg party?
The NCAA can KISS OFF!!!! This is kids lives they are screwing with and they are only doing it because THEY stand to lose $$$$$$$!!!!!!
Exhibit 69 of why this guy is the dumbest poster on this board.
Unfortunately you are wrong here. It is a rule and the kids broke it. The rules for athletes and gambling are set up for a reason. It's similar to why insider trading is illegal. Unless of course you are a politician.
Then you have to understand the criminal possibilities by sharing inside information only a select few may know about and getting even deeper, throwing games/matches. They all knew it. Like most people, they just didn't think they would get caught.
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Hasn't anyone that follows college sports known that gambling is like the one big "no no" for the last 70 years. You aren't even allowed to play fantasy football and every athlete (and coach) knows this. None of them really deserve a second chance IMO, and if the NCAA is kind enough to allow them one and give a slap on the wrist, credit to them for being more generous than necessary. But most of these guys are blowing the free COVID year they were already gifted, so not much sympathy from myself. Yes, one dumb bet on a womens bball game is the definition of being absolutely stupid when they all knew better the whole time from the moment they signed their LOI. You can feel bad for them and still think it was a dumb, selfish decision by each one of them.
Yeah, I’m not even responding to that, as tempted as I am.
Only think right with you is your name, why don't you go find someone to check your oil and GFY why you are at it!
AND any other college student????? What is the difference? Unless they were fixing games or throwing games, shaving points etc.... What is your point? Any college kid and ANYONE for that matter could be involved in any scheme.Unfortunately you are wrong here. It is a rule and the kids broke it. The rules for athletes and gambling are set up for a reason. It's similar to why insider trading is illegal. Unless of course you are a politician.
Yes to protect the big flow of $$$$ to the NCAA
Guessing you are better off because you will lose the argument!
"Any college kid" is not in practice to know a game plan or who may be injured or more importanty, on the field of play where outcomes can be decided. You realize professional athletes have to follow this rule too? See Pete Rose or any number of recent athletes who lost a full year of service time and pay because of gambling. And don't say professionals are different because you can wager just as much and just as often on college sports.
The bottom line is this - you can hate the rule all you want. The athletes knew what it was. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, don't do it.
So what you are saying is, the college athletes can't bet on college games because they might have info, could throw a game, etc.... ALL other college kids, would not have the insider info? Nor could the college athlete say to his college buddy, bet $20 on IOWA because.........
I mean the logic is just insane!!!! IF someone is going to try and game the system. I am guessing it would not be IOWA wrestlers betting on a girls F-in basketball game!!!
Pete Rose should be in The Hall of Fame by the way!
I wonder about all the officials? Can they bet, because some of the calls that are being made certainly looks like it!!!!
This has been a rule forever. Whether it is fair or not is not relevant, it was the rule in place at the time of the infractions.
It is not fair that only two Iowa schools were impacted when probably hundreds, maybe thousands of athletes around the country have violated the rules.
I'm pretty sure not all college students are bound by this rule, just college athletes.
I can't say with certainty, but I'm pretty sure referees are not allowed to bet either. Maybe they can on sports they're not involved with, but I doubt it.
Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. Maybe not allowed to coach again, but not disqualified from the Hall. Once again, he DID break a standing rule.
This whole thing sucks, but it is what it is, and a bunch of fans crying and b*tching about it will not change it.
1st Question - yes
2nd Question - no
3rd Question - of course you can, just don't get caught.
Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame but your know why he is not - he gambled and it was against the rules.
Final Question - No, they are not allowed to place sports bets but they can do other forms of gambling. You know why they can't - because they can influence the outcome. They can also become compromised. Finally - because it's against the rules and in some cases actually collectively bargained.
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I don't agree.
Jim Harbaugh literally cheated at the sport that he competes in and was given a slap on the wrist suspension and is back already to coach in the big ten championship game and the post season.
The wrestlers weren't betting on wrestling. They bet on a women's game of a different sport than what they compete in. And the refs in the game they bet on robbed Iowa of any chance of competing in that championship game with the absolutely absurd foul calls. The NCAA has acknowledged this, yet zero punishment or consequence for those refs. LSU coach literally standing on the court during the game and bumps into the ref and isn't given a foul.
Quite frankly, regardless of what the written rules on betting were at the time, the NCAA deserves extreme ridicule for how they administer competitive integrity and justice for rule violations.
Yes, the wrestlers broke the rules and are now subject to the NCAAs horrible administration which is disappointing. That doesn't mean we as fans of NCAA competition shouldn't harshly criticize the NCAA.
When were the wrestlers or football player in the womens basketball practice?
Oh for F sake - sports gambling is prohibited. If you can't understand why it's a big no across the board for athletes I just can't help you. That was an example, but if you think that was the only bet that was placed by those getting the big suspensions you're smoking dummy dust.
If you don't like the rule, then lobby to have it changed. Until then it's the rule.
Holy Cow we agree on something!!! LOL
Think they might have been in the girls locker room. NO worries, at the time they identified as girls B-Ball players so the NCAA is fine with that. Guess the problems started when the former wrestlers started hitting on the girls! The girls all towered over their short asses so they figured they could bitch slap em around.
What they did not realize was, just because they were allowed in the girls lockers that day, doesn't mean they were not Bad Asses!!!
Interesting take I guess. We just had a college coach from one of the premier football programs in the country get caught "cheating" and he was suspended for only 3 games...They fought it the whole way. It's almost a parallel situation because I think both rules are stupid because they cannot be fairly administered. The NCAA has no idea if other programs under their purview have athletes that are gambling. TBH, I don't think they want to know. Also, the hypocrisy and politics in play here and how the athletes are punished vs the old money football program/coach is crazy. I guess the NCAA still has its chance to take a swing but I'm guessing they won't swing too hard because of the precarious situation it is in with (new) Power 4.
I used to be a Quality Assurance guy so I understand the "rules are rules" argument. As soon as college gambling became legal and readily available online, though, the NCAA needed to insure that there was a standardized surveillance/reporting process from the individual states that passed it. Since online gambling became legal in Iowa (2019), I'm guess it didn't take 4 years for an athlete to lay down a bet.
the 3 game suspension was from B1G, not the NCAA...who is still investigating and will probably have punishments of their own
technically speaking, the B1G didn't issue any suspension to the wrestlers (or any other athletes in the gambling thing)
The real injustice is this was not an investigation that was initiated by the NCAA. So in the end, the athletes at Iowa and Iowa State were not treated in the same manner as any other. Without question, gambling on sites such as Fan Duel and Draft Kings is being done at probably every college. That is the travesty, not that they broke the rule.
You're kind of all over the place here. Harbaugh/Michigan were punished by the Big Ten, not the NCAA. The referees did not do anything wrong other than being incompetent. They didn't break any rules. Nobody is saying you can't or shouldn't criticize the NCAA. Just after the fact it doesn't do much good. Lobby to have the rule changed. And unless you or anyone else have seen exactly what they did place bet(s) on, I would wager to say it wasn't just a one time thing.
I would lobby the for the same punishment when oh lets say a Michigan, Texas, Stanford, Penn State program gets a light shone on them. But something tells me the ncaa would revisit their punishment again with more favorable outcomes for athletes. But we will never see an investigation done there to start with.
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The punishment for the rule the broke is a travesty. It's egregiously harsh. All in the name of "fair competition". Meanwhile PEDs are completely unpunished across the NCAA.
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The main quote that I disagreed with @HawkAlum2002 on is this:
"None of them really deserve a second chance IMO, and if the NCAA is kind enough to allow them one and give a slap on the wrist, credit to them for being more generous than necessary."
It's quite frankly insane to think that none of them deserve a second chance and that the NCAA has been anything close to generous. The entire argument for the suspension existing is that it somehow inhibits fair competition. Yet there are numerous examples (officiating incompetence that goes unpunished - e.g. refs keeping their jobs, coaches cheating, athletes using PEDs) where the NCAA looks the other way.
You arguing that the B1G suspended Harbaugh, not the NCAA only contributes and supports my argument. The head coach of a team guilty of cheating is going to be coaching all post season unpunished by the NCAA. But don't bet on women's basketball because that's some egregious violation.
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I think they should use their inside info to bet on Iowa matches, then thumb their noses at the NCAA and say, "What are you gonna do about it?"
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PED’s don’t affect the financial livelihood of others - gambling can and does. Gambling debts can compromise you and when you have a way out, you just might take it.
They would give them a lifetime ban. Most of them already received this with the current punishment is the thing.
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What? Gambling isn't illegal for adults or for college athletes though so that point is completely irrelevant.
It’s against the rules that have been adopted by the colleges that make up the NCAA. Legal or not is irrelevant. Just like some jobs have policies forbidding something that may be legal.for the general public. It’s just not a new concept that athletes betting on sports is out.
And when billions of dollars are wagered on sports, it’s taken seriously.
At one time, every baseball clubhouse had signs that said “ don’t bet on baseball “. Pete Rose used information he was getting from around the league to place bets. He knew the rule. He knew the leagues stance on gambling on games. He was one of my favorite players but his actions should keep him from the hall of fame.
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My point was - it's not against NCAA rules because they're worried about kids racking up gambling debts. If that were the case all gambling would be banned for NCAA athletes. It's not. Your point about gambling debt is completely irrelevant to the conversation.
These wrestlers didn't bet on wrestling.
Despite the deluge of questions, I'm fairly sure you still haven't asked the right one, let alone to the right person(s).
