SWARM- Honestly curious...

[Max_Rebo]

How about a snot nosed adults? You ever go to MLB or NFL games?

MLB and NFL are not asking for donations to be able to pay players more.

I’ve got no problems buying tickets or any other goods or services that enrich others, provided I get a benefit myself. I do have a problem being asked for a donation simply to enrich someone else.

 

[pistachio1999]

MLB and NFL are not asking for donations to be able to pay players more.

I’ve got no problems buying tickets or any other goods or services that enrich others, provided I get a benefit myself. I do have a problem being asked for a donation simply to enrich someone else.

You are paying NFL and MLB players! And they have a lot more money than college kids are getting. You think the NFL players and owners have a magic money machine. Companies who sponsor them are passing the cost on to the consumer. It's just not as direct.

I guess you have no issue with the billionaire owners in those leagues?? I mean why make you pay to go watch at all?

The friggin NFL is getting free developed talent!

 

[pistachio1999]

What if the kids are playing on your lawn?

Oh he would be SCREAMING at them.

 

[Max_Rebo]

You are paying NFL and MLB players! And they have a lot more money than college kids are getting. You think the NFL players and owners have a magic money machine. Companies who sponsor them are passing the cost on to the consumer. It's just not as direct.

I guess you have no issue with the billionaire owners in those leagues?? I mean why make you pay to go watch at all?

The friggin NFL is getting free developed talent!

But when I pay NFL and MLB players, I get a direct benefit for myself. Most often it’s a ticket to a game or something similar.

When I donate to NIL, I’m getting nothing in return.

I’d have no problem with giving a portion of each ticket sale directly to players.

 

[drew_hawk]

I would never give a dime to a snot nosed kid (student) playing a game.

Would you at least give the poor kid a tissue for Christ's sake??

 

[StormHawk42]

On principle no, not directly (Swarm beer etc is different IMO).

If I go to a pro game or buy merch, all the money funnels up to the organization so it can pay its employees, including the players, with public contracts.

The current college structure expects the fans to pay the players directly with secret contracts and no accountability. The colleges should be bearing the cost.

And I’m all for players being able to make money on their likeness.

 

[Max_Rebo]

On principle no, not directly (Swarm beer etc is different IMO).

If I go to a pro game or buy merch, all the money funnels up to the organization so it can pay its employees, including the players, with public contracts.

The current college structure expects the fans to pay the players directly with secret contracts and no accountability. The colleges should be bearing the cost.

And I’m all for players being able to make money on their likeness.

Well said. 👍🏼

 

[littlez]

You are paying NFL and MLB players! And they have a lot more money than college kids are getting. You think the NFL players and owners have a magic money machine. Companies who sponsor them are passing the cost on to the consumer. It's just not as direct.

I guess you have no issue with the billionaire owners in those leagues?? I mean why make you pay to go watch at all?

The friggin NFL is getting free developed talent!

Not sure what you’re not understanding. The system was set up for name, image and likeness. Ed O Bannon back in the day sued EA Sports for putting him on the game and him getting nothing. Now all we are doing is asking you, me and everyone else to pay the players for playing, while the University is getting these huge TV contracts and everyone here says we have to be in these 2 conferences for our own good, which I actually agree with. Let’s stop this nonsense and let the school pay them. I’m good with that.

 

[hawkfan2024]

But when I pay NFL and MLB players, I get a direct benefit for myself. Most often it’s a ticket to a game or something similar.

When I donate to NIL, I’m getting nothing in return.

I’d have no problem with giving a portion of each ticket sale directly to players.

If you're a White Sox fan, the players should be paying you to go to their games!

 

[Hawkfan_08]

So I know it's a small sample size, and thanks to all who filed this out, but is this normal for all schools?

We have 110 people who filed it out. Obviously will have liars and trolls from other programs who filed it out but almost 60% of the poll has no interest in helping financially. I can't help but think this wouldn't be too far off but still a little low on people donating.

 

[TXHCHawk]

So I know it's a small sample size, and thanks to all who filed this out, but is this normal for all schools?

We have 110 people who filed it out. Obviously will have liars and trolls from other programs who filed it out but almost 60% of the poll has no interest in helping financially. I can't help but think this wouldn't be too far off but still a little low on people donating.

Unfortunately, I don’t think you’ll ever know the answer you’re seeking. This board may, or may not, be a good survey. For example, 60% of what, or who?

Alumni, non-alumni, in-state, rest of country/world, etc.? Loyal donors, passive donors because the Swarm is a non-profit (ie tax purposes)? The SWARMs public releases and comments are probably the best you’re going to get.

With that being said, IMO, the % of all prospective segments that donate is probably quite small, which doesn’t bode well for us, because IOWA needs a large breadth of small donors to counter the relative lack of depth (deep donors), compared to some of the very large collectives.

 

[GOHOX69]

I love to donate fat stashes o' cash to barely literate 27 year old student o athletes while fellow students have to work at the imu playing bus boy or bus girl trying to make ends meet.

I firmly believe these student o athletes, who are but mere gods amongst mortals, deserve a full ride, sweet stashes of $$$$$, cars, gifts, hos, etc etc so they can go 8-4, play some high school caliber teams and score 0 points in a bowl game that is barely watched by the very people who contribute to the schwarm.

Where's my checkbook?

 

[Hawk_4shur]

My personal problem is despite getting older and supposed to be maturing, I'm just getting bitter.

I completely understand this sentiment as the universities seem to be passing the buck. They are making so much money off of the players and want the fans to continue to pay... and get tickets... to all sports... home and away... and keep paying for the services showing these games. It's frustrating and I want to know where all the money goes.

That said, I can't control that.

Here is a site where you can get some answers. https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports

My frustration (one of many) with players getting these big paychecks, is that the schools don't make anything off of the billions flowing into athletic departments. Even worse, the athletic departments themselves spend the lion's share of the money they do get back into the program and most of it directly benefits the athletes.

Ok, the players should get paid. But, millions? There seems to be no limit to what coaches get paid - $8 million, $10 million a year?

How about the school's general fund getting a share? Maybe they should charge a royalty for using the name of the school. Maybe stadium rent.

It's messed up.

 

[Tom Paris]

Welcome to sports. Um any sport pretty much.

You go to movies? You are paying actors and they are paid more than all those you stated also. It's all entertainment.

Holy terrible examples. I'm not donating to KIDS, who are KIND OF GOOD. We are willing to spend money on PROFESSIONALS. I rarely go to movies though we did see Wicked and those 2 ELITE performers deserved every dollar.

 

[uihawk82]

I don't think your getting bitter, I think your getting wiser. This isn't good for 90% of the teams, and Iowa is one of those. And its not good for ANY of he fans.....

^^^ big time correct, there are 10-15 programs that already have a huge donor fanbase, the schools who have the big alumni bases like OSU and Mich, and the rich ones with a sugar daddy like Oregon and OKie St maybe used to have.

Most of these same schools were already the blue bloods and now they are moving from blue to a deep purple awash in more money. No way Iowa can compete with this on a yearly basis. It will be more like every 4-5 years Iowa and many teams will have a very strong 2 deep roster with several top players.

For instance, if you just take some recent defensive grads and put them on this year's defense it is back to being a top 5. DeJean, Moss, Hankins etc . Put Drew Ott or Epenesa at DEnd to go with HUrkett and Mad Max and the pass rush would be great, even Van Ness as a junior or senior.

And Campbell in the middle with Higgans and Jackson.

We can see what happens when a few players leave early and it takes a couple of years to reload and stock up the two deeps.

Put a CJBeathard on any of the last 3 teams starting in 2021-23 and you have a Natty Playoff team, especially if Tevaun Smith and Smith-Marsette are at the WR spot.

 

[uihawk82]

NIL is not pay for play. It's pay for "outside work" you perform for someone outside of sport.

You got to be kidding or trolling us with this comment. NIL is the old brown bag illegal shit or high paying summer job of doing nothing because NIL can be as simple as someone giving a check to a player for the player doing nothing but playing.

I have thought players should get a stipend/money because of their big amounts of off season practice and workout time used.

 

[ping72]

I’m supportive of the concept, but I will never give. But not for any of the reasons listed in poll options. It’s just not how I’d choose to spend my money.

 

[Kinnick 4 Prez]

I’m supportive of the concept, but I will never give. But not for any of the reasons listed in poll options. It’s just not how I’d choose to spend my money.

Same. I don't want to give thousands away for a fraction of my recreation time. I prefer to travel, golf and donate to other organizations (hospital, kids, families in need and so on).

And don't worry I don't complain about the product on the field. I'm there every Saturday enjoying my time with family and friends.

 

[squeezebox]

It is kind of crazy that they have the "forced donation" for season tickets. I have no idea the legal component of it, but it feels as though the university should force a second hand ticket sale add on directly to the NIL. That way every time a broker sells tickets, 10% of the proceeds from StubHub goes directly to NIL.

 

[TampaHawkfan]

Not sure what you’re not understanding. The system was set up for name, image and likeness. Ed O Bannon back in the day sued EA Sports for putting him on the game and him getting nothing. Now all we are doing is asking you, me and everyone else to pay the players for playing, while the University is getting these huge TV contracts and everyone here says we have to be in these 2 conferences for our own good, which I actually agree with. Let’s stop this nonsense and let the school pay them. I’m good with that.

The Ed O'Bannon example is the exact type of thing I'm good with the players being compensated for. I'm sure there are many other means of them being compensated that I'm not thinking of.

To my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong) I could go to games, buy concessions, hats, t-shirts, jerseys and so on... And not a penny of that revenue goes to the NIL. Now I'm being asked to donate towards paying the players as well while the university just rakes in the revenue? That doesn't sit right with me. As others have said, I'm good if I'm getting something tangible in return for my money (I consider the in-person gameday experience at the stadium to be "tangible"). But, donating to the NIL is just handing over cash, and that's that.

I'm with you - let the universities start compensating the players if this is what NIL is going to be, or at least allow a portion of gameday revenue go towards the collective. Something.

I guess I just feel like the fan base is already doing its part by filling the stadium, buying concessions, merch, etc.

 

[CharYoteHawk]

Haven't, and won't. The "I know this system isn't ideal but we'll fall behind if we don't donate" argument has never been compelling to me. I realize a lot of people are getting rich off the backs of these student athletes, and that's messed up. However, it is incumbent on those reaping the profits to keep their "product" happy. There is a lot of good small college ball in our state if you want to follow development and athletes that play simply for the love of the game.

 

[pistachio1999]

It is kind of crazy that they have the "forced donation" for season tickets. I have no idea the legal component of it, but it feels as though the university should force a second hand ticket sale add on directly to the NIL. That way every time a broker sells tickets, 10% of the proceeds from StubHub goes directly to NIL.

That stubhub "fee". Ouch!

 

[pistachio1999]

You got to be kidding or trolling us with this comment. NIL is the old brown bag illegal shit or high paying summer job of doing nothing because NIL can be as simple as someone giving a check to a player for the player doing nothing but playing.

I have thought players should get a stipend/money because of their big amounts of off season practice and workout time used.

I know man. Was just playin along. We all know what it is, but at the same time you can't stop someone from paying someone for a "service" unless its drug sale or prostitution.

 

[obfuscating]

NIL is not pay for play. It's pay for "outside work" you perform for someone outside of sport.

You wouldn't be getting NIL deals if you weren't an athlete. The more you play, the more "deals" you receive.

 

[TXHCHawk]

You wouldn't be getting NIL deals if you weren't an athlete. The more you play, the more "deals" you receive.

You are correct. Hence, those who are most visible, and/or have value to endorsing organizations may receive endorsements (see CC), and/or they may receive NIL funds for their name, image, and likeness in something as simple as showing up to promote a non-profit.

It happens every day. Personally, I intermittently have had third parties reach out to pay me for advisement boards within my industry and work experience. My employer doesn’t pay me to do that for the third party organization, the third party does.

Full disclosure, I respectfully decline to participate in most of those offers. But ultimately, as I’ve written previously, give or don’t give, like or don’t like the new environment, it doesn’t prohibit any of us from supporting our fandom in whatever fashion we choose. It’s a game, entertainment, and involves discretionary spending idiosyncratic to each person. 🤷🏻‍♂️