Not all first responders can give medications also look at rural America the next available ambulance, police officer, etc is 15 minutes away
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Of course not. And police officers don't drive around with a pharmacy in the trunk. But if two 911 calls come in, and there's only 1 ambulance, I would think someone is gonna get the EMTs and the other might get a fireman or policeman.
Explain why it's different for drug users than others that take unnecessary risks.
Drug problems went down in Portugal when they legalized.
What do we do now? Do you think the problem would get worse? Why?
You're probably even luckier to have an ER/Hospital within 30 minutes.
Because health care workers are human, you don’t think if we were put in that situation it won’t affect our triage decision
Are you saying health care workers don't try as hard to save a drunk driver as they do other car accident victims?
Prices will go sky higher... cause tariffs are paid by the company buying the products. Then passed on to consumers.
I am saying in a triage situation with all things being equal other than the drunk driver and limited resources yes 9 times out of 10 they will treat the other person first
Meanwhile, the majority of ag businesses and auto makers are 'hitting the brakes" or laying off workers.
Mentioning Apple is funny considering the CEOs that donated to the Trump inauguration for a spot on the stage.
LOL
You're not very good at this.
Well if Biden had done a better job with the border we might not be in this situation
@RNHawk is the @IAFB2021Champs of nurses. This is just embarrassing at this point.
I appreciate the OP's childlike enthusiasm. Pretty much every poster punches down on him and - perhaps he doesn't realize it - but he stays the course.
Tomorrow, when the tariffs are justified as a great source of revenue the OP will be back doing the same charade. "What's wrong with extra revenue? Haven't you seen the debt? So you don't want the government to raise any money?!"
The next day, when the tariffs are justified because we're being treated unfairly and we have trade deficits with the tariffed country. It'll repeat.
The day after, when the tariffs are justified because they'll bring manufacturing and investment back into the USA, he'll be doing it again: "Why shouldn't we make things here? What, you don't want American made goods?".
Then, it'll be fentanyl again.
I'll also give the OP credit for at least searching out a justification, I reckon most MAGAs skip that stage.
Tomorrow, when the tariffs are justified as a great source of revenue the OP will be back doing the same charade. "What's wrong with extra revenue? Haven't you seen the debt? So you don't want the government to raise any money?!"
The next day, when the tariffs are justified because we're being treated unfairly and we have trade deficits with the tariffed country. It'll repeat.
The day after, when the tariffs are justified because they'll bring manufacturing and investment back into the USA, he'll be doing it again: "Why shouldn't we make things here? What, you don't want American made goods?".
Then, it'll be fentanyl again.
I'll also give the OP credit for at least searching out a justification, I reckon most MAGAs skip that stage.
Won't that be determined by the success or failure of tariffs reducing fentanyl in the US?
We are arguing about the best way to handle our fentanyl problem. Seems like a legitimate argument; though if there is an obvious "stupid" argument I think "tariffs" would be the one that comes to mind.
Yeah, but these guys never define what success looks like. No matter what, victory will be declared. The OP will be on the winning side, does it matter that his face and hands are covered in shit and he's not hungry anymore? No, because #winning
How long do we have to wait to evaluate the results? 6 months? 1 year? 5 years?
It depends on what results you are talking about, if you are talking about Mexico and Canada doing more to curb drugs across the border then 6 months is a good time frame, if you want to look at the amount of fentanyl deaths in this country then I would say 1-2 years
Define: "doing more"
Define: current fentanyl deaths
Define: amount of future fentanyl deaths to be considered sucessful
Trump requires "it" to stop or is "seriously limited", what do you think he means? Do you think he knows what he means? Do you think he should have a defined plan before taking such a impactful action?
Doing More: Providing more resources to the border to help stem the flow of drugs and people across the border, cracking down on cartels, intelligence sharing between the government
Current: Deaths cased by Fentanyl overdoses
Amount: hard to put a cost on a human life, but lets say 10%
Trump: Have no idea, but he is not stupid
Defined plan? Nah, the concept of an idea is all it takes.
They didn’t “just decide” to invest $500 billion in America. They announced they will spend at least $500 billion in the United States over the next four years. Something they were already on track to do.
The server thing in Houston and investing in a Michigan training center were new. Those are good.
Every state in the union has a law allowing lay person access to naloxone. Every police department in the country can put intranasal naloxone on their squad cars without any medical training or approval.
Is ten extra pesos considered more resources? Or do you want to define which resources and how much you expect to be considered sufficient? Do you want to define what "cracking down on cartels" means or if Mexico issues a statement that they are, is that enough? What sort of intelligence would you like to see shared that isn't being shared now?
Why 10%?
You’re full of shit. Respectively, you’re full of shit. You don’t speak for me or any ethically minded first responder. I have a million things to do on an accident scene with multiple victims. Trying to figure out which ones might be drunk so I can prioritize care is pretty far down the list.
True, but you already know they may need airway support (let's be honest, that isn't as simple as mouth to mouth breathing). If they have be down a long time they may need cardiac resuscitation
DEMAND is what fentanyl is being shipped here. Americans like their illegal recreational drugs.
Whatever the government dies to stop the flow incoming is fine with me but I highly doubt tariffs will do anything but raise prices in America.,
oh come on, be honest, you respond to a possible drunk driver head on collision, you of coarse triage everyone, you are the only paramedic, you have 2 victims same injuries, one is 40 and smells like alcohol (you can smell it and you know you can) and an 8 year old in the other car, who are you devoting your time and resources to initially
oh and you know in the back of your mind that drinking and driving is legal now
Fentanyl deaths have been declining.
I imagine that there are more drugs crossing from the US to Canada than from Canada to the US.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2025/2025-cdc-reports-decline-in-us-drug-overdose-deaths.html
we are still in a crisis, and I fully support us spending more time and money stopping the flow of drugs into Canada
Next OP will tell us how changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico is helping fight fent deaths.
I don't know why people still engage with him, he is fooled by trump's nonsense every single time.
I don't know why people still engage with him, he is fooled by trump's nonsense every single time.
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