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Team chemistry: Everyone knows it is important. this team has it. that may be the big difference .

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I have heard it over and over again that everyone gets along. That they are a loose group.

Any of the great teams you were ever on, nearly all of them had that in common. They had great team chemistry.

No more QB drama. Maybe a better leadership group.

This could be the game changer for them when things get tough.
 
Bottom line is we lost 60% of the OL, unproven LB's, and really outside of King the secondary is a little unknown. I would agree the CJ has more upside....not sure KF is going to let him show it! If he is not allowed to play we will look just like last years team. We could actually be worse! But hey, let's play a few games and give them the benefit of the doubt for now. I hope I am proven wrong!
 
everyone says the chemistry is good in late August.
Not really. Didn't hear anything about great chemistry last year in august.

And, we actually heard the opposite after the season.

Many have commented there is much better leadership with this group and it is starts with CJB.
 
This is really important, and a missing ingredient the last few years. But, let's see how the chemistry is when they get punched in the mouth.
 
OP, I basically agree with your premise. The evidence seems to indicate the QB situation, as anyone might expect, divided the team. I think the evidence is pretty clear the receivers were not happy with the former QB, and I think other players found the former QB standoffish. The coaches constantly explaining how brilliant the former QB was despite multiple pitiful performances may not have gone over well with a lot of the guys, most of whom aren't so dumb themselves, even if they weren't taking organic chemistry.

CJB, in contrast, seems to have a folksy populist personality built around helping his teammates succeed. Without examining it any further, I would simply say that there are many reasons to believe last year was a house divided, and this year everyone is at the table. And if the coaches can get out of the way--or even build on that esprit de corps--that certainly could pay off in the win column. The vibe does matter, and it seems to be much more positive today than it was at the same time last year. I like it. Good observation, OP.
 
It was obvious last year the players liked cj better and the team seemed energized when he came in and played harder.
 
I have heard it over and over again that everyone gets along. That they are a loose group.

Any of the great teams you were ever on, nearly all of them had that in common. They had great team chemistry.

No more QB drama. Maybe a better leadership group.

This could be the game changer for them when things get tough.
Great teams also tend to have great talent. Not sure team chemistry can overcome a lack of talent
 
Great teams also tend to have great talent. Not sure team chemistry can overcome a lack of talent
Neither the 2003, nor the 2004 squads were necessarily swelling with huge amounts of traditionally labelled "talent." There were some exceptional individuals on those squads ... but "team" was the key driving force behind those squads. When both the "star-power" guys and the "glue" guys help carry the team together - with the squad undivided ... then you're talking about a group with legit potential.

Iowa has had excellent talent in 1997 and 2010 ... and yet adversity unravelled the group.
 
Leadership starts at the top, the head coach, we haven't had much of that since the Badger debacle at Iowa a few years ago...

Have things changed?
 
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Leadership starts at the top, the head coach, we haven't had much of that since the Badger debacle at Iowa a few years ago...

Have things changed?
I guess you haven't been paying ANY attention the last 12 months
 
Leadership starts at the top, the head coach, we haven't had much of that since the Badger debacle at Iowa a few years ago...

Have things changed?
Not true. Have you ever taught young people at that age?

You can lead a horse to water ... but you sure as hell cannot make them drink. Same deal. Leadership on a football team really has to emerge from within.
 
I look forward to viewing a well-coached football team this year...one that knows how to execute and win...

I hope to be surprised... Strength of schedule gives hope...
 
Bottom line is we lost 60% of the OL, unproven LB's, and really outside of King the secondary is a little unknown. I would agree the CJ has more upside....not sure KF is going to let him show it! If he is not allowed to play we will look just like last years team. We could actually be worse! But hey, let's play a few games and give them the benefit of the doubt for now. I hope I am proven wrong!

Not sure where these came from... The secondary is not an unknown. The pessimists and the optimists alike have pretty much agreed that this unit is the strength of our defense.

I don't think you know what unproven means. With the exception of Fisher, they have all played quite a bit last year. Have they proven they are elite? Of course not, but that doesn't make them unproven. Bo, Josey, and Niemann were all freshman that were thrown to the wolves last year and I believe they are better for it. They've proven that they can play.

Lastly, we lost Scherff and Donnal. That's 40% of our offensive line, not 60%.
 
I have heard it over and over again that everyone gets along. That they are a loose group.

Any of the great teams you were ever on, nearly all of them had that in common. They had great team chemistry.

No more QB drama. Maybe a better leadership group.

This could be the game changer for them when things get tough.

I won't lie - we've had squads where I've expected a lot more than we've gotten (at least in terms of leadership). For example, I expected more out of the 2014 group. I would have thought that having guys like Scherff, Martin-Manley, Weisman, Bullock, Alston, and Lowdermilk (and some decent JR leaders), among others, would translate better to the field. We kept on hearing about what a great mentor Alston was. We've always heard about how guys like Scherff, Martin-Manley, and Weisman always approached things the "right way" in practice. Why didn't that translate more to the field? Perhaps the QB drama really did make the team dynamic more fragile? Maybe there was a significant disconnect between guys who considered themselves superior "athletes" compared to those who actually knew what the hell they were doing (the standard rift between raw potential - and actual execution of the game-plan)? I don't know.

Similarly, I expected more out the 2011 group too. I thought that Mike Daniels would break heads. I thought that Jeremiah Hunter would do more in a leadership capacity. Not unlike Martin-Manley, the coaches tended to glow about McNutt too - I expected his leadership to help out Keenan Davis and the others more.
 
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Great teams also tend to have great talent. Not sure team chemistry can overcome a lack of talent
Hard work and team play do overcome talent to a certain extent if talent doesn't work together that's why upsets happen, execution of a game planas a team.
 
In all phases of the game ... this will likely be a sum of the parts of each unit type team. If players execute assignments and perform, they can compete. If they continue to be a step slow, over pursue, take wrong angle, make or lack patience on their cut; it will likely be a struggle, since the margin for error is lean.

Iowa has excelled in the past with less talent than their opponents and won.

Here's to '15 ...
 
Couple random thoughts about the past:
I agree about the QB divide last year. Loved Weisman as a tough out-work the competition type of guy. I don't know if there was a obvious leader on offense. Hopefully CJB is that leader this year.

On defense, when I think of past leaders, I think of Angerer, Greenway, Abdul Hodge, Bob Sanders, Matt Kroul, Karl Klug, Matt Roth, Aaron Kampman, Babineaux, Greenwood, Sash, Mitch King, Kirksey, Hitchens, Hyde, Paschal. Some were vocal, some lead by example/intensity. And I think many of these were lead by Norm Parker. I did not see that leadership last year.

For Iowa to be successful, it usually has been the result of a great defense. You need that leader. Maybe Drew Ott and King or Lomax are going to provide that leadership/intensity/emotional spark. We need it on defense and on special teams.
 
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Not sure where these came from... The secondary is not an unknown. The pessimists and the optimists alike have pretty much agreed that this unit is the strength of our defense.

I don't think you know what unproven means. With the exception of Fisher, they have all played quite a bit last year. Have they proven they are elite? Of course not, but that doesn't make them unproven. Bo, Josey, and Niemann were all freshman that were thrown to the wolves last year and I believe they are better for it. They've proven that they can play.

Lastly, we lost Scherff and Donnal. That's 40% of our offensive line, not 60%.

I forgot Welsh came back...that is my bad! Thanks for the correction.

King is good, Mabin is improving and you can have your own opinion about the rest! You talk like we lost the BIG championship game and could of had a shot at it all. This was a 7 win team with a MAC level schedule...so call it what you want. The LB's were not good, throw in whatever excuse makes you feel better. Could they improve or get better sure, I have not seen that play out yet!

Unproven means to me that they have NOT proven anything. Tennessee make them look stupid! That includes the whole backfield. You want to drink the KF koolaid knock yourself out, I prefer to deal with the facts. I hope they do well...I think they will struggle again.
 
MAC level schedule? You went from dumb to dumber.

People forget how close Iowa really was to winning the west last year.

I have also said this many times. Iowa is better at every single position except OT and DT and DT is going to be just fine.
 
Herbstreit said the exact same thing on ESPN radio this morning. He said you don't know what you have until you get punched in the mouth the first time.
 
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MAC level schedule? You went from dumb to dumber.

People forget how close Iowa really was to winning the west last year.

I have also said this many times. Iowa is better at every single position except OT and DT and DT is going to be just fine.


Hahahahaha, ok spanky! We almost won the pillow fight with a 7-1 Wisconsin and we were 4-4? You can take your special Ed math and reasoning and...... you are a tool box!

As for the schedule ours was ranked 85th...that's a real world beater. Did I mention we only won 7? Don't want to hear that truth do you? The reason I say MAC level is because we did not beat a team with a winning record....get it?
 
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I forgot Welsh came back...that is my bad! Thanks for the correction.

King is good, Mabin is improving and you can have your own opinion about the rest! You talk like we lost the BIG championship game and could of had a shot at it all. This was a 7 win team with a MAC level schedule...so call it what you want. The LB's were not good, throw in whatever excuse makes you feel better. Could they improve or get better sure, I have not seen that play out yet!

Unproven means to me that they have NOT proven anything. Tennessee make them look stupid! That includes the whole backfield. You want to drink the KF koolaid knock yourself out, I prefer to deal with the facts. I hope they do well...I think they will struggle again.

Asphinctersayswhat?
 
Speculating about something as theoretical as "chemistry" before the season even starts seems silly to me.

We'll see what happens in games soon enough.
 
Speculating about something as theoretical as "chemistry" before the season even starts seems silly to me.

We'll see what happens in games soon enough.
It wasn't fan speculation. It was from the coaches and players. and again, those things weren't being said last season.
some are taking this way too far with the usual NegaHawk crap. But, whatever.
 
It wasn't fan speculation. It was from the coaches and players. and again, those things weren't being said last season.
some are taking this way too far with the usual NegaHawk crap. But, whatever.

Stuff like that gets said about most every team most every year.

It's not something you can base expectations on.
 
"It was obvious last year the players liked cj better and the team seemed energized when he came in and played harder."
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So what this poster is saying ...its obvious the players weren't playing hard most of the season. That could explain a lot (except the Tennessee game shoots that theory).
 
Speculating about something as theoretical as "chemistry" before the season even starts seems silly to me.

We'll see what happens in games soon enough.

Ordinarily I would agree with you but this pre-season many of the players commented on how much closer the team had become over the summer and Fall camp - more so than previous years. Yes, often that kind of talk is lip service but I sensed more sincerity this time around. Nevertheless, you're right that you never know until they are challenged when the chips are on the table.
 
Neither the 2003, nor the 2004 squads were necessarily swelling with huge amounts of traditionally labelled "talent." There were some exceptional individuals on those squads ... but "team" was the key driving force behind those squads. When both the "star-power" guys and the "glue" guys help carry the team together - with the squad undivided ... then you're talking about a group with legit potential.

Iowa has had excellent talent in 1997 and 2010 ... and yet adversity unravelled the group.
What are you talking about?? Tate, Sanders, Greenway, Hodge, Roth, Paschal, Gallery, Babineaux, Steinbach, Kaeding, Mo Brown, Fred Russell. If that wasn't talent, I don't know what you would label talent. Our 2003 and 2004 teams had NFL players all over the roster. How many does this team have?
 
What are you talking about?? Tate, Sanders, Greenway, Hodge, Roth, Paschal, Gallery, Babineaux, Steinbach, Kaeding, Mo Brown, Fred Russell. If that wasn't talent, I don't know what you would label talent. Our 2003 and 2004 teams had NFL players all over the roster. How many does this team have?

Steinbach graduated after 2002.

Sanders, Roth, Gallery, Kaeding, and Russell were the head-liners of 2003. Hodge and Greenway were successful in '03 ... but they were still newbies. Babs was limited that season ... in part due to the position change (he moved to DT that year) and in part due to injury. Mo Brown was dinged and only nominally an impact player that season.

So, in total, for the 2003 squad you named but 5 guys! 5 guys does NOT a team make! I mentioned that the squad had some great talents - and you nicely highlighted that fact. However, the roster wasn't over-burdened with across-the-board talent ... nor was the squad terribly deep either (in terms of "named-talent"). We had great players, we had excellent coaching, AND, most importantly, we had a TEAM that bought into the system ... and the guys really embraced the "next-man-in" philosophy.

Greenway and Hodge became card-carrying impressive talents in '04. The '04 squad also featured Roth, Babs, and Tate. Paschal was definitely good ... but he was also just a first year starter that year. If you really want to pimp guys that emerged for us that season ... you'd be remiss to not mention Considine, Hinkel, and Solomon. Also, Scott Chandler started to emerge that year too. However, not all of the aforementioned guys were truly what your average football fan of today would refer to as a "headliner." As Ferentz has mentioned ... Hinkel was "money in the bank" ... but he'd also be accurately characterized as a possession receiver as well. Solomon had nice stats ... but the frequency that he dropped the ball wasn't nice.

Again, the 2004 squad, won by embracing the TEAM concept ... not because they were overwhelmingly talented across-the-board on an individual level. However, all the same, since the bought into what Ferentz was selling ... the could just about beat ANY foe all the same.

I miss the days when the Iowa roster was littered with guys who wholeheartedly bought into what Ferentz was selling. When they did ... they let themselves elevate to a level where the whole truly surpassed the sum of its parts. When that happened, Iowa fans truly had something to cheer for. I'm frankly sick of the fantasy football culture of football-fans today. Sadly, players often pay too much attention to it as well ... and then they blame their own failings on poor coaching, their lack of talent, or the lack of talent of their teammates. Such excuses prevent them from achieving what they're capable of achieving.
 
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Talent is way more important. this Iowa team is severely lacking in that department.

No Dallas Clark. No Bob Sanders. No Matt Roth's.

just a bunch of coached up marginally power 5 conference players that are in over their heads. i hope we don't play a powerhouse team like 6-6 Tennessee again this year. we're screwed.

funny you would those guys. I bet you were pumped up when you heard we recruited Sanders and Clark.

You have no clue what this team is going to be like. None of us do,.

You act like the 2002-2004 teams were NFL ready when they showed up in Iowa City. That's retarded.
 
You act like the 2002-2004 teams were NFL ready when they showed up in Iowa City. That's retarded.[/QUOTE]

And please don't use the "R" word. That's not necessary.
 
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IOWA CITY, Ia. – What do NCAA deregulation, the TaxSlayer Bowl and Hamburger Helper have to do with 2015 Iowa football optimism? Keep reading.

The story begins with more than $55 million that was spent constructing the Stew and LeNore Hansen Football Performance Center. The facility, a 178,000-square-foot haven for player development, became fully functional this past winter.
That timing could be beneficial in rebounding from a 7-6 season in 2014 that fell short of expectations, both internally and externally. And it’s not just about the 23,000-square-foot weight room patrolled by Chris Doyle. Perhaps the biggest benefit is the relationships that are building inside the center’s walls.
When the NCAA deregulated food service for all Division I competitors (including walk-ons) in 2014, it allowed universities to feed their athletes. And for Iowa football, the brand-new All-American Room has become a place for banquet-style meals and newfound togetherness.

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“In this new complex, coach really stresses eating with guys that you don’t necessarily hang out with on a regular basis,” said fourth-year Hawkeye junior defensive back Greg Mabin, who until this spring was like most of his teammates — primarily hanging out with members of his own position group. Now, Mabin says, he's befriended "a lot more people than I originally thought I would."
Head coach Kirk Ferentz said Tuesday that the NCAA ruling has helped Iowa supply its players with healthier foods, “instead of having guys back eating Hamburger Helper and things that probably aren't as good or as nutritional for them.”
It’s not all about eating breakfast and dinner together. Senior wide receiver Tevaun Smith said a notable change in the new building is that guys from Nos. 1 to 99, freshmen to seniors, are branching out in the recreational area.
“Now there’s a pool table, a ping-pong table, video games, all these TVs you can be on. Guys are just here a lot more,” Smith said. “Sometimes, you’ll walk in and you’ll be with a guy you’ve never been with, but you guys are there, so you end up playing ping pong. It’s definitely helped kind of bring the team together.”

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That’s nice. But how does that relate to what people inside and outside the building care about most? That would be improvement from 2014.
That’s where the TaxSlayer Bowl enters this narrative. The 45-28 loss to Tennessee was the epitome of Iowa’s defensive failures of last season. Iowa was defenseless against the younger, faster Volunteers until they took their foot off the gas up 42-7. It was a performance unbecoming to the Hawkeyes’ traditionally solid defense.
Mabin, who got benched during the bowl game, was asked Tuesday if Iowa’s defense would be better than what we saw in Jacksonville, Fla., on Jan. 2. His answer was a bit of an indictment of some underlying issues with the 2014 Hawkeyes.

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“We’re more of a team. Last year, we still had a good group of guys, but some of them might have been more individually based,” Mabin said. “This year, we’ve got a good group of guys that have a team-first mentality.”
And that led to the follow-up: What changed? Mabin’s answer was all about the relationships, which have grown through meals — and the building, where weight-room records have been
 
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